• #38,541
Oh boy. PCSO cannot lose control of their investigation like this. This is not a good sign.

I would caution people they may not be supporting the original organization they think they are. Anyway…

It’s not unheard of for the family to break from LE and bring in their own resources. Think of the Suzanne Morphew case with AM’s search. Time will tell if it was a good idea.

My concern with self deployment here. They are inserting themselves into a very active criminal investigation. They are requesting leads, photos, and videos to them using a QR/website. Operational posturing by backing up local volunteers. They have increased their role in information control. W.O.W.

IMO

They are very reputable. The family wants her found.
 
  • #38,542
I’ve thought of every kind of scenario and theory. But if she truly was literally taken from her bed plus the perp was supposedly at the house for at least 40 minutes …what is that telling us?Disturbingly makes me think an SA and maybe with her fragile heart it caused shock and trauma and she passed. Perp panicked and decided to not leave her body. This is rare as most home invasions for either robbery or SA don’t usually result in the victim being taken but it’s not impossible.
It’s what makes the most sense to me right now because I can’t see a kidnapper hanging around the house for 40 minutes. But even if they did, a kidnapping for money wouldn’t drag on for more than 3 weeks. I don’t believe this was a kidnapping for ransom.

Moo
 
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“ First hand knowledge” interesting phrase! You are right, could be that reward only relates to close confidante or observer of the perpetrators. Like you said, family or accomplice!
Interesting qualifier on reward.

JMO
$1M is a lot of money.

Maybe the qualifier to dissuade, “my friend knows a guy who knows a guy who has an Ozark trail backpack!” Type of tips.
 
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Moved on?

They still have his RR.
I remember reading his vehicle was towed because of it being totaled. Do you have a link to show law enforcement has it?
 
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But he didn’t have to take her! Why?!!!
Agree, that part is so crazy.

I’m thinking, the perp may have wanted to extort SG with the kidnapping/ ransom idea, but maybe never intended to return NG alive( too complicated, risk of DNA evidence)). He wanted to see if SG would pay without proof of life, body.

Just another idea.

JMO
 
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I remember reading his vehicle was towed because of it being totaled. Do you have a link to show law enforcement has it?
The totaled vehicle was not the Range Rover
 
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I wonder why this information is just being released now?
The way everyone worded their statements about that information sounded to me like someone within LE feels much like we do. That a lot of helpful information has been held back, while a lot of conflicting information has really muddled things up.
 
  • #38,553
His mother may be an enabler. She knows what is going on but turns a blind eye to it. However, she may not support him financially outside of providing room and board.
As for dealing, yeah you can make good money, but if you’re using and abusing, it will eat up those profits.
Drug addled minds do not think clearly. If he had inside info from his drug addicted gf, it might have seemed a simple job. How much trouble could an 84 year old be? The possibility of making millions of bucks might seem like manna from heaven.
 
  • #38,554
Thank you for your reply.

That link you provide doesn’t show for me, either. I get the same message that it is age-restricted content, and I must log in to view it.

Since I don’t have an account, I can’t log in.

I guess the settings must’ve been changed so that only those with accounts and over 18 can view the post.
If you don't have an X account inserting "cancel" into the url on any post will allow you to see it.

 
  • #38,555
The more I read the more I understand how fearful one can become whether in her neighborhood or across the country like I am.
I just saw an investigator saying when there is an intended sexual assault, age does NOT matter. That threw me as I’m not far from her age. I always wondered why anyone would assault an old woman. The investigator said the one making the assault won’t care. I guess they are sociopaths or psychopaths and that’s frightening!
Sexual assaults are about violence and age doesn't matter. Don't know if that's the case here. JMO
 
  • #38,556
Feel bad for the Guthries. I understand why LE dissuaded them from offering this reward initially, but how devastating to know waiting didn’t do any good or achieve anything anyway.

A million dollars is a big motivator and not worth protecting a kidnapper over, I hope someone talks.
 
  • #38,557
I’m still hoping the inside DNA results point to the perp!

JMO
If only the Sheriff would hand off the case to the FBI so it can be processed at Quantico - JMO
 
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CBS news on the DNA found from Nancy Guthrie's home:

"According to sources close to the investigation, there are concerns that DNA recovered from Nancy Guthrie's Tucson, Arizona, home may not yield a usable profile for comparison in federal and private sector DNA databases. One source called the recovered DNA "low-level."

Ok, disappointing, But I have heard of the way they can expand the sample, extrapolate.

I wonder if “ expanding” the sample, can be grounds for a defense motion to exclude?

Or, on the other hand, if the expanded sample leads to a known POI, it’s then considered a good, valid DNA lead?

Especially if the person of interest denied ever being in NG's bedroom.

JMO
 
  • #38,559
I recall reading this (below). What I'm not completely clear on is whether or not she was incarcerated during the time NG was abducted.

Excerpt:

Day was already in jail at the Pima County Adult Detention Complex during the operation targeting Daley last week, for allegedly skipping court dates on unrelated charges.


She was not detained at the time NG was abducted but she did have an active warrant because she wasn't showing up in court.
Pima County Clerk of the Superior Court. Case CR20252423
 
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If only the Sheriff would hand off the case to the FBI so it can be processed at Quantico - JMO

Cece Moore explained that at this stage the DNA can't be processed at Quantico. They do not deal with Snip profiles needed to do genetic genealogy. That is ALWAYS sent away to a private company. Therefore, she believes that sending it to a reputable private lab to begin with probably saved the investigation time since Florida lab could do all three types of analysis on the DNA. Only thing FBI is capable of that others are not- is directly entering their results into CODIS. There was no match in CODIS anyways so in hindsight sending it to Quantico probably wouldn't have done anything but slow down the process.

IMO
 
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