• #38,621
Reminds me of someone who has been overweight for a long time and waddles like he still is. He does have a big BUTT in one of the photos. JMO
People sure can make alot of details out of that fairly short clip.

I just see normal unassuming movement. Methodical almost nonchalant.

Body characteristics with layers of clothes, full or bulky looking backpack, full face mask. He just appears to be average Joe anyone to me.

I feel like you could dress alot of average middle age men in that same full outfit and replicate very similar videos.

Likely one of the reasons he hasn't been positively identified yet, just my untrained opinion
 
  • #38,622
LE has NOT released height and weight of anyone on the nest cam, right?

I wonder what the white tent was for. Or if they are thinking backpack guy and no backpack guy are two separate people.

MOO

They said the suspect is approximately 5’9” to 5’10” tall.
 
  • #38,623
Thinking about SG’s video directing tips to only the FBI.

For jurisdiction purposes, if ransom notes have been determined to be legit and connected to NG - does ransom for kidnapping fall under the feds? Or still PCSD?
If the kidnapping ransom notes are legit falls under Federal jurisdiction since they used the internet to send them.
Snipped from link BBM:

When Is Kidnapping a Federal Crime?​

“Kidnapping falls under federal jurisdiction if you restrain, carry away, or abduct someone against their will and transport them to a new location in another state. It can also be a federal crime if the person kidnapped is a government or foreign official. Even if you didn’t cross state lines, it could be a federal offense if you use items of interstate commerce, like credit cards, the mail, or the internet to commit the crime.”


IMHO
 
  • #38,624
LE has NOT released height and weight of anyone on the nest cam, right?

I wonder what the white tent was for. Or if they are thinking backpack guy and no backpack guy are two separate people.

MOO

The FBI did.

The images above show an armed individual appearing to have tampered with the camera at Nancy Guthrie's front door the morning of her disappearance. The suspect is described as a male, approximately 5’9” to 5’10”, with an average build. In the video, he is wearing a black, 25-liter ‘Ozark Trail Hiker Pack’ backpack. The FBI seeks information that will lead to the identity of this individual.

 
  • #38,625
Honestly the way he was dressed full face mask, gloves, pants, coat. It would not surprise me if there was no DNA left from the actual perp or a minimal mixed sample.

Or it could very well be a possibility that the sample is unrelated to the crime. We have seen that in other cases where there ends up being a reasonable explanation why a persons DNA was there etc.

There's not always the Perps DNA left at crime scenes and that doesn't always indicate it was the work of some criminal mastermind.

edited to clarify
He attired himself to evade depositing DNA and he seems to have succeeded. He also was clothed to terrify. There is NO WAY anyone would open a door to him and little chance anyone would go willingly when confronted. He seems to have covered all the bases.. JMO
 
  • #38,626
DBM
 
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  • #38,627
I’ve thought of every kind of scenario and theory. But if she truly was literally taken from her bed plus the perp was supposedly at the house for at least 40 minutes …what is that telling us?Disturbingly makes me think an SA and maybe with her fragile heart it caused shock and trauma and she passed. Perp panicked and decided to not leave her body. This is rare as most home invasions for either robbery or SA don’t usually result in the victim being taken but it’s not impossible.
It’s what makes the most sense to me right now because I can’t see a kidnapper hanging around the house for 40 minutes. But even if they did, a kidnapping for money wouldn’t drag on for more than 3 weeks. I don’t believe this was a kidnapping for ransom.

Moo
Agreed. Why would someone bother to kidnap a person and not immediately demand a ransom? If they wanted simply to kill her why wouldn't they just kill her in the home? Why risk abduction for no reason? Just a very strange case.
 
  • #38,628
The DNA samples recovered from inside Nancy Guthrie’s home mainly came back to people who had a reason to be there, according to two federal law enforcement sources. One unknown sample yielded only a partial profile that could not be checked against the FBI’s CODIS database of known offenders.

 
  • #38,629
The shape of a teardrop? So sad.
So sad how in each video, SG looks more and more crestfallen, as reality is setting in.

Absolutely horrible to think of the grief the Guthries are experiencing.😭

JMO
 
  • #38,630
My heart goes out to Savannahs family. I’m curious why she said UP to a million dollars. If I knew something and was too scared to tell, that would still scare me. Do I get a million to leave town or a smaller amount. I think it’s confusing
I'm guessing it depends on what information is being offered. Any information is helpful, so here--heres $50k for that small tidbit vs hey you can find your mom here, worth more money for that tip. That would be my take on it.
 
  • #38,631
The more I read the more I understand how fearful one can become whether in her neighborhood or across the country like I am.
I just saw an investigator saying when there is an intended sexual assault, age does NOT matter. That threw me as I’m not far from her age. I always wondered why anyone would assault an old woman. The investigator said the one making the assault won’t care. I guess they are sociopaths or psychopaths and that’s frightening!
Horrible to think about.
JMO
 
  • #38,632
Would Porch Guy have traveled any distance (from street where car might be parked or through neighbors' yards) dressed as he was with visible holster? Terrifying image and instantly suspect. Anyone catching sight would have reported. So did he dress up near NG's house? Did he dress up to frighten NG as much to disguise? It seems very calculated to terrify.
 
  • #38,633
The DNA samples recovered from inside Nancy Guthrie’s home mainly came back to people who had a reason to be there, according to two federal law enforcement sources. One unknown sample yielded only a partial profile that could not be checked against the FBI’s CODIS database of known offenders.

COULD NOT BE CHECKED AGAINST CODIS. BUT does not mean cannot be used in investigative genetic genealogy. A partial sample has yielded results in the past for IGG.
 
  • #38,634
He attired himself to evade depositing DNA and he seems to have succeeded. He also was clothed to terrify. There is NO WAY anyone would open a door to him and little chance anyone would go willingly when confronted. He seems to have covered all the bases.. JMO
I think his attire was to conceal himself and also not to leave physical evidence.. Dark clothing, long sleeves, full length pants etc

A gun pointed at you can be very persuasive IMO

Hard to put ones self in that situation until you have actually been in it.

As seen any many cases a gun can be all that's needed for control of a victim unfortunately.
 
  • #38,635
No, it's about control
That's what women were told to think. Sexual violence (RAPE) is about SEX. Rape is about power, control, proving masculinity, acting out ones fantasies and entitlement. Pedophilia is about sex with kids. Violent sex is about the perps preference for dominance in the sex act. SEX FIRST ( what arouses the perp) then throw in the variables. Sex slave, little girl, little boy, elder woman. etc. It often becomes violent because the victim naturally resists. jmo moo
 
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  • #38,637
No SNP and STR are different types of DNA extraction used for different purposes. If you search the thread I posted about the differences some where way back when.
I know, that's why i googled and got this back:
The FBI Laboratory at Quantico uses a range of genetic markers and technologies for forensic analysis, including Single Nucleotide Polymorphisms (SNPs), but has historically relied primarily on Short Tandem Repeats (STRs) as its standard practice. SNPs are mainly used as an adjunct technology for specific, challenging cases.

I think the FBI lab is one of the best labs out there and i cannot imagine it doesn't deal with the most complex cases. JMO

Another link on the usage of SNP, STR, and such at quantico i found.

 
  • #38,638
I think the reward increase tells me that FBI has ruled out all of the potential suspects discussed on this board.
 
  • #38,639
The FBI did.

The images above show an armed individual appearing to have tampered with the camera at Nancy Guthrie's front door the morning of her disappearance. The suspect is described as a male, approximately 5’9” to 5’10”, with an average build. In the video, he is wearing a black, 25-liter ‘Ozark Trail Hiker Pack’ backpack. The FBI seeks information that will lead to the identity of this individual.

Whoa. The date on that post is January 31, 2026??
 
  • #38,640
I just see normal unassuming movement. Methodical almost nonchalant.
I saw one clip where I totally agree with you. He seemed like he was for a split second, psyching himself up as he walked down the walkway. There IS an element of something else though.. Maybe just all the clothing layers and that gun hanging in such a way that makes his stride awkward. i dunno... JMO
 

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