AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Trino]

I was thinking the same thing!

Mexican Mothers have not received much of a welcome from either the sheriff or locals. They are just trying to help.

 

[Not Funny]

IMO If I ever need to bury a body, I'm not asking any of the current searchers for help. I wouldn't hike up a trail carrying a 150 lb. person who can't walk. I wouldn't bury a body along a street in a suburb, in someone's yard, or in a ravine on a main road. If I was going to ditch a body, it would be in a very remote part of the desert, at least a half mile off any highway or road, and not buried because digging a hole in the desert would take longer than decomposition. The mob used to dump bodies in the lakes outside of Vegas because the desert isn't a good dumping ground. MOO

 

[Angeleyes_7]

 

[Forest_Wood]

Almost like a pregnant belly.

That's what I see too. I wonder if he was trying to bulk himself up to look fatter. Or was he carrying something under his sweater since he had no backpack at that time.

 

[GMG1999]

If this person was a loner, or lives by themselves with few friends, I can see them never locating who did it. I do think, she will be eventually found.

 

[emigrate]

I agree. And sometimes people who are high on drugs make brilliant plans (in their mind). And convince others it’s a great idea.
BUT — what the heck put LD on their radar? Why raid him? They can only hold a person for so long so I hope they are crossing the t’s and dotting the i’s.

You see the stuff that is in movies nowadays, really twisted stuff. I mean there have always been twisted movies but the last 10 years things have really gone up a few notches. There are also some really weird parents out there who will protect their "baby boy" no matter what they do. They could walk in on junior committing the most horrible crime and help him clean up and get away even if it means life in prison for said "parents" as long as junior got away.

 

[Trino]

If this person was a loner, or lives by themselves with few friends, I can see them never locating who did it. I do think, she will be eventually found.

The Sonoran Desert currently hold around 5,000 illegals. If she's there, she may never be found. Seems she's not near the house, but there are many desert hiding places where people just don't go.

 

[TIGER0822]

IMO If I ever need to bury a body, I'm not asking any of the current searchers for help. I wouldn't hike up a trail carrying a 150 lb. person who can't walk. I wouldn't bury a body along a street in a suburb, in someone's yard, or in a ravine on a main road. If I was going to ditch a body, it would be in a very remote part of the desert, at least a half mile off any highway or road, and not buried because digging a hole in the desert would take longer than decomposition. The mob used to dump bodies in the lakes outside of Vegas because the desert isn't a good dumping ground. MOO

Well thought out!

 

[Scooby-Doo]

 

[nycpizzaparty]

I agree. And sometimes people who are high on drugs make brilliant plans (in their mind). And convince others it’s a great idea.
BUT — what the heck put LD on their radar? Why raid him? They can only hold a person for so long so I hope they are crossing the t’s and dotting the i’s.

I wonder about that too. Some people say it was a tip. I'm not sure a tip is enough to get a search warrant. Does anyone know? Otherwise interest in him would come about through police work I think.

We don't know of all the camera footage. We don't know if LE had figured other things out already. Maybe cell data records. (Although taking your phone on a criminal mission is a bad idea.)

It could be a combination of a tip plus police work. Maybe a tip comes in and LE works backwards. They know what car he was driving. So then they look at camera footage from nearby stores or whatever and see that car.

I think the search warrant for the house would explain everything but that piece of paper shan't be shared with us.

 

[emigrate]

I wonder about that too. Some people say it was a tip. I'm not sure a tip is enough to get a search warrant but I'm not sure. Otherwise interest in him would come about through police work I think.

We don't know of all the camera footage. We don't know if LE had figured other things out already. Maybe cell data records. (Although taking your phone on a criminal mission is a bad idea.)

It could be a combination of a tip plus police work. Maybe a tip comes in and LE works backwards. They know what car he was driving. So then they look at camera footage from nearby stores or whatever and see that car.

I think the search warrant for the house would explain everything but that piece of paper shan't be shared with us.

Did we ever find out what they think they saw on gas station camera and also what about the white van? I am so far behind.

 

[Bluewing3102]

IMO If I ever need to bury a body, I'm not asking any of the current searchers for help. I wouldn't hike up a trail carrying a 150 lb. person who can't walk. I wouldn't bury a body along a street in a suburb, in someone's yard, or in a ravine on a main road. If I was going to ditch a body, it would be in a very remote part of the desert, at least a half mile off any highway or road, and not buried because digging a hole in the desert would take longer than decomposition. The mob used to dump bodies in the lakes outside of Vegas because the desert isn't a good dumping ground. MOO

What do you mean "i'm not asking any of the current searches for help?"

I agree though that these people searching are just covering where LE has already been. They should be out searching desert roads or more open lands. State park maybe, but it would be stupid of the perp to dump a body next to a hiking trail. Also idk what kinda of dumb criminal just takes a woman and then dumps her body with no apparent reason. If they wrote the ransom notes they didn't do it right because LE isn't taking them seriously. Imo

 

[nycpizzaparty]

Did we ever find out what they think they saw on gas station camera and also what about the white van? I am so far behind.

I'm not aware of anything specific other than the Range Rover that is in custody haha

There is chatter about a white van, a blue Malibu and maybe others I'm not aware of

 

[TIGER0822]

Grace under heartbreak. Praying for Nancy and the Guthrie family.

 

[Desperate Howswif Detec]

I'm not so sure about this. How do we know that the DNA that they are testing belongs to the perp? Surely there were many people in and out of the home over the years. I'm wondering if there was something that made them think this DNA that they collected was from the perp. Perhaps there were signs of a struggle, drops of blood in the home, etc., at the location where the DNA was found?

There is SOO much we the public do not know and DNA does not lie! Especially YDNA male DNA. That DNA traces a males line allllllll the wayyyyy back to the 1st male in that persons line. I heard there was obvious other DNA found in the house at the scene. The perp better TURN HER OVER NOW! It’s a matter of time and with CE CE MOORE, she’s a Quick cookie!

 

[TheDinks]

 

[heli]

That's what I see too. I wonder if he was trying to bulk himself up to look fatter. Or was he carrying something under his sweater since he had no backpack at that time.

Maybe the gun?

 

[UsernameRequired]

Did the sheriff change his mind or did Savannah ignore his advice this time ?

Not sure specifically about the Sheriff but according to NBC, the family consulted LE before offering the reward.

"The family decided to offer the reward after careful consultation and coordination with law enforcement, the source said."

By Tuesday night, 12 hours after the family reward was made public, more than 750 calls had come in to the FBI's tip line, a senior law enforcement official told NBC News.

'TODAY' co-anchor Savannah Guthrie says family is offering $1M reward for the recovery of her mother

Nancy Guthrie, 84, was reported missing Feb. 1 after she didn't show up at a friend’s home in Tucson, Arizona, to watch a livestreamed church service.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[SpideySense]

It’s been a while since I’ve posted here, but like you all I’ve been following this case and have some thoughts.

For starters, I don’t fault LE for being vague or walking back leaks with little or no additional clarification. LE is focused on an eventual conviction as much as they are about finding NG. Part of that is making sure they’re not doing anything to jeopardize the State’s case in such a high-profile crime, like contaminating the AZ jury pool by releasing their speculative conclusions or any real evidence they’ll need to present at trial. LE is in a tough spot with no CODIS DNA match, little physical evidence left at the scene, and no obvious suspects that family or friends could point to. It could be a long slog.

MOO

My thoughts about the crime itself, for what they’re worth, are not encouraging. I don’t think this was a burglary gone wrong: the perp apparently cased the house and presumably the victim and chose to enter in the middle of the night with a gun while she was home, and then he didn’t take anything except her as far as we know. He came fully covered not just to hide his face but also to prevent his DNA or fingerprints being left at the scene. If his plan was just to commit a property crime/cat burglary, I don’t think he’d need to worry about LE collecting DNA samples afterwards.

I also don’t think it was a kidnapping for ransom or other motivation. The ransom demands came pretty late, after the crime had gathered national attention, and the figures of $6m and $9m in crypto were exorbitant and unrealistic, imo. I think the ransom emails and the “1 Bitcoin for identifying the perp” emails were opportunistic and sent by people with enough tech savvy to hide their digital trails. I’m not seeing the person pulling off pieces of shrubbery to cover a Nest cam as that guy.

Finally, I’m not seeing this as a sex crime. Aside from the unusual step of taking the victim with him when he left, I believe we would have been seeing much different activity from LE if there had been ANY evidence of a sexual motive at the scene.

I’ve wondered a lot about what evidence LE must have been able to present to the judge in order to show probable cause for those search warrants of LD’s car and his mother’s house. If it wasn’t a DNA match, it had to be something more than just suspicion and his prior criminal convictions. This is my pure guess: LE was perhaps able to trace the “1 Bitcoin” emails to LD or KD. That seems like the sort of thing opportunistic drug-addicted criminals tangentially related to a high-profile victim might try to pull off. I wouldn’t expect a violent abduction with a gun and potential murder/disposal of a body from those two, but I could be wrong. If LE collected DNA from LD while he was detained during the raid (assuming his DNA wasn’t already in CODIS), I would think they’d have gotten results by now that either confirm or exclude his presence at the crime scene.

Finally, I haven’t heard anything about NG having enemies that could make anger/revenge a motive, and the perp doesn’t appear to be insane.

If I rule out the motives listed above (Financial Gain, Sex, Anger/Revenge, and Insanity), that leaves Power/Thrill as a remaining possibility.

So right now, I’m thinking this was someone who had been thinking or fantasizing about killing for some time and this was perhaps the first time he acted on those impulses.

Here are my reasons for thinking this. First, on one hand he seems to have methodically prepared for that night via surveillance and gear/clothing, but on the other hand demonstrated inexperience and off-the-cuff troubleshooting with the Nest cam. Second, his nonchalance and calm demeanor in the video is consistent with, among other things, someone with a low fear response, i.e. a psychopath. Third, he inflicted injury on NG at the scene causing her to bleed, something that given her age and the fact he had a gun to threaten her with seems gratuitous and therefore leads me to believe it was something he wanted to do. Fourth, he selected as a possible first victim someone who was relatively weak and nonthreatening. Finally, if power was one of his motives, he selected a victim with some connection to fame that would heighten the profile of his crime and make it more egotistically rewarding to him. If this was a power/thrill crime, the perp could be someone NG had never even met before; perhaps someone in the area who was merely aware of her or had encountered her once and then had done a bit of research.

This is obviously just my speculation based on very little information, but I’m trying to find the most consistent possibility with what little information we do have.

MOO

 

[SaraSmile]

Mexican Mothers have not received much of a welcome from either the sheriff or locals. They are just trying to help.

Bravo to them, looking in storm drains, found items. I hope people take them to lunch. Are grateful. We need more of them. JMO