AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[maskedwoman]

So now he is denying this and saying all same day? ABC broke false news? i believe media and not sheriff.

It's very difficult for me to trust the Sheriff compared to my gut and all the people who have received the same leaked information. He has contradicted himself too many times.

 

[SMK777]

It's very difficult for me to trust the Sheriff compared to my gut and all the people who have received the same leaked information. He has contradicted himself too many times.

Even Brian Entin has said he's sticking to his sources and his own reporting over what Sheriff Nanos says.

 

[squareandrabbet]

It’s been a while since I’ve posted here, but like you all I’ve been following this case and have some thoughts.

For starters, I don’t fault LE for being vague or walking back leaks with little or no additional clarification. LE is focused on an eventual conviction as much as they are about finding NG. Part of that is making sure they’re not doing anything to jeopardize the State’s case in such a high-profile crime, like contaminating the AZ jury pool by releasing their speculative conclusions or any real evidence they’ll need to present at trial. LE is in a tough spot with no CODIS DNA match, little physical evidence left at the scene, and no obvious suspects that family or friends could point to. It could be a long slog.

MOO

My thoughts about the crime itself, for what they’re worth, are not encouraging. I don’t think this was a burglary gone wrong: the perp apparently cased the house and presumably the victim and chose to enter in the middle of the night with a gun while she was home, and then he didn’t take anything except her as far as we know. He came fully covered not just to hide his face but also to prevent his DNA or fingerprints being left at the scene. If his plan was just to commit a property crime/cat burglary, I don’t think he’d need to worry about LE collecting DNA samples afterwards.

I also don’t think it was a kidnapping for ransom or other motivation. The ransom demands came pretty late, after the crime had gathered national attention, and the figures of $6m and $9m in crypto were exorbitant and unrealistic, imo. I think the ransom emails and the “1 Bitcoin for identifying the perp” emails were opportunistic and sent by people with enough tech savvy to hide their digital trails. I’m not seeing the person pulling off pieces of shrubbery to cover a Nest cam as that guy.

Finally, I’m not seeing this as a sex crime. Aside from the unusual step of taking the victim with him when he left, I believe we would have been seeing much different activity from LE if there had been ANY evidence of a sexual motive at the scene.

I’ve wondered a lot about what evidence LE must have been able to present to the judge in order to show probable cause for those search warrants of LD’s car and his mother’s house. If it wasn’t a DNA match, it had to be something more than just suspicion and his prior criminal convictions. This is my pure guess: LE was perhaps able to trace the “1 Bitcoin” emails to LD or KD. That seems like the sort of thing opportunistic drug-addicted criminals tangentially related to a high-profile victim might try to pull off. I wouldn’t expect a violent abduction with a gun and potential murder/disposal of a body from those two, but I could be wrong. If LE collected DNA from LD while he was detained during the raid (assuming his DNA wasn’t already in CODIS), I would think they’d have gotten results by now that either confirm or exclude his presence at the crime scene.

Finally, I haven’t heard anything about NG having enemies that could make anger/revenge a motive, and the perp doesn’t appear to be insane.

If I rule out the motives listed above (Financial Gain, Sex, Anger/Revenge, and Insanity), that leaves Power/Thrill as a remaining possibility.

So right now, I’m thinking this was someone who had been thinking or fantasizing about killing for some time and this was perhaps the first time he acted on those impulses.

Here are my reasons for thinking this. First, on one hand he seems to have methodically prepared for that night via surveillance and gear/clothing, but on the other hand demonstrated inexperience and off-the-cuff troubleshooting with the Nest cam. Second, his nonchalance and calm demeanor in the video is consistent with, among other things, someone with a low fear response, i.e. a psychopath. Third, he inflicted injury on NG at the scene causing her to bleed, something that given her age and the fact he had a gun to threaten her with seems gratuitous and therefore leads me to believe it was something he wanted to do. Fourth, he selected as a possible first victim someone who was relatively weak and nonthreatening. Finally, if power was one of his motives, he selected a victim with some connection to fame that would heighten the profile of his crime and make it more egotistically rewarding to him. If this was a power/thrill crime, the perp could be someone NG had never even met before; perhaps someone in the area who was merely aware of her or had encountered her once and then had done a bit of research.

This is obviously just my speculation based on very little information, but I’m trying to find the most consistent possibility with what little information we do have.

MOO

I wonder if he never planned to take her until she said Savannah was her daughter, after which point he thought he either had to (a), get rid of the evidence; (b), ask for a ransom.

A lack of planning might explain the lack of cohesive sense.

 

[luc1fer12]

I’m honestly shocked that they haven’t gotten to their suspect yet. There aren’t many cars on the road that late at night. They’ve had time to look into any car within 10 miles that appeared on any camera in town. I get NG’s house is a bit secluded, but at some point a suspect vehicle would have had to pass by a camera, unless it stayed northwest of Tucson before and after.

Wild to me that they had a bead on Luigi Mangione within hours, but have nothing here for a month….

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

It’s been a while since I’ve posted here, but like you all I’ve been following this case and have some thoughts.

For starters, I don’t fault LE for being vague or walking back leaks with little or no additional clarification. LE is focused on an eventual conviction as much as they are about finding NG. Part of that is making sure they’re not doing anything to jeopardize the State’s case in such a high-profile crime, like contaminating the AZ jury pool by releasing their speculative conclusions or any real evidence they’ll need to present at trial. LE is in a tough spot with no CODIS DNA match, little physical evidence left at the scene, and no obvious suspects that family or friends could point to. It could be a long slog.

MOO

My thoughts about the crime itself, for what they’re worth, are not encouraging. I don’t think this was a burglary gone wrong: the perp apparently cased the house and presumably the victim and chose to enter in the middle of the night with a gun while she was home, and then he didn’t take anything except her as far as we know. He came fully covered not just to hide his face but also to prevent his DNA or fingerprints being left at the scene. If his plan was just to commit a property crime/cat burglary, I don’t think he’d need to worry about LE collecting DNA samples afterwards.

I also don’t think it was a kidnapping for ransom or other motivation. The ransom demands came pretty late, after the crime had gathered national attention, and the figures of $6m and $9m in crypto were exorbitant and unrealistic, imo. I think the ransom emails and the “1 Bitcoin for identifying the perp” emails were opportunistic and sent by people with enough tech savvy to hide their digital trails. I’m not seeing the person pulling off pieces of shrubbery to cover a Nest cam as that guy.

Finally, I’m not seeing this as a sex crime. Aside from the unusual step of taking the victim with him when he left, I believe we would have been seeing much different activity from LE if there had been ANY evidence of a sexual motive at the scene.

I’ve wondered a lot about what evidence LE must have been able to present to the judge in order to show probable cause for those search warrants of LD’s car and his mother’s house. If it wasn’t a DNA match, it had to be something more than just suspicion and his prior criminal convictions. This is my pure guess: LE was perhaps able to trace the “1 Bitcoin” emails to LD or KD. That seems like the sort of thing opportunistic drug-addicted criminals tangentially related to a high-profile victim might try to pull off. I wouldn’t expect a violent abduction with a gun and potential murder/disposal of a body from those two, but I could be wrong. If LE collected DNA from LD while he was detained during the raid (assuming his DNA wasn’t already in CODIS), I would think they’d have gotten results by now that either confirm or exclude his presence at the crime scene.

Finally, I haven’t heard anything about NG having enemies that could make anger/revenge a motive, and the perp doesn’t appear to be insane.

If I rule out the motives listed above (Financial Gain, Sex, Anger/Revenge, and Insanity), that leaves Power/Thrill as a remaining possibility.

So right now, I’m thinking this was someone who had been thinking or fantasizing about killing for some time and this was perhaps the first time he acted on those impulses.

Here are my reasons for thinking this. First, on one hand he seems to have methodically prepared for that night via surveillance and gear/clothing, but on the other hand demonstrated inexperience and off-the-cuff troubleshooting with the Nest cam. Second, his nonchalance and calm demeanor in the video is consistent with, among other things, someone with a low fear response, i.e. a psychopath. Third, he inflicted injury on NG at the scene causing her to bleed, something that given her age and the fact he had a gun to threaten her with seems gratuitous and therefore leads me to believe it was something he wanted to do. Fourth, he selected as a possible first victim someone who was relatively weak and nonthreatening. Finally, if power was one of his motives, he selected a victim with some connection to fame that would heighten the profile of his crime and make it more egotistically rewarding to him. If this was a power/thrill crime, the perp could be someone NG had never even met before; perhaps someone in the area who was merely aware of her or had encountered her once and then had done a bit of research.

This is obviously just my speculation based on very little information, but I’m trying to find the most consistent possibility with what little information we do have.

MOO

Don’t criminals graduate from petty break ins before advancing to more violent break ins? I just find it hard to believe this is the first time someone broke into a home.

And you’d think he’d do this again at some point. People like this generally don’t stop until they are caught or age inhibits their physical ability to carry out crimes like this.

 

[Andreee]

FROM X ONE HOUR AGO;
REPEAT FROM THIS MORN
@SavannahGuthrie
·
1h
Someone knows how to find our mom and bring her home. Call 1-800-CALL-FBI (1-800-225-5324) — you can remain anonymous — or find a way to reach out to me. NOTE: Family reward of up to $1 million will be paid only for recovery of Nancy Guthrie, consistent with FBI criteria for payment of its reward in this case: https://fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/nancy-guthrieTo support other families of the missing:
@ncmec

 

[detectivewannab]

Mexican Mothers have not received much of a welcome from either the sheriff or locals. They are just trying to help.

I want friends like that!

 

[SMK777]

I wonder if he never planned to take her until she said Savannah was her daughter, after which point he thought he either had to (a), get rid of the evidence; (b), ask for a ransom.

A lack of planning might explain the lack of cohesive sense.

Good thinking.

 

[cathathorse]

Mexican Mothers have not received much of a welcome from either the sheriff or locals. They are just trying to help.

I agree. I don't think it will be high tech that finds the remains. Seems like Cajun Navy got a warm welcome and I'm wondering if I read somewhere that the family invited them? Cannot recall.

 

[squareandrabbet]

I’m honestly shocked that they haven’t gotten to their suspect yet. There aren’t many cars on the road that late at night. They’ve had time to look into any car within 10 miles that appeared on any camera in town. I get NG’s house is a bit secluded, but at some point a suspect vehicle would have had to pass by a camera, unless it stayed northwest of Tucson before and after.

Wild to me that they had a bead on Luigi Mangione within hours, but have nothing here for a month….

Didn't the McDonalds clerk dime out Mangione? Maybe this guy was smarter than to go to places with known cameras.

 

[squareandrabbet]

Don’t criminals graduate from petty break ins before advancing to more violent break ins? I just find it hard to believe this is the first time someone broke into a home.

And you’d think he’d do this again at some point. People like this generally don’t stop until they are caught or age inhibits their physical ability to carry out crimes like this.

yes, many of us learned this from the Golden State Killer; from which we also learned the generic principle that with familiarity and repetition, boundaries decrease, to the point where burglary moves to stalking and hanging out on the couch eating the people's food, etc.

You lose your inhibition that you will be stopped/discovered/get to thinking you are invincible, and you lose your inhibitions about "other people's private space" and your need to get in and out of it ASAP before you are discovered.

 

[cathathorse]

Has anyone looked at SG's twitter account? A lot here have commented that she wouldn't be targeted for ideological or political reasons because her views were pretty milquetoast and she appeared neutral-- and this is objectively true about her-- but if you look at the comments beneath a pretty innocuous post I've picked out from 2023 as an example, you'll see that there are many deranged people who think any member of the mainstream media is x, y, or, z (a pedophile, a pedophile protector, a hater of a certain leader, etc)... so I think it is worth noting that people who don't think as reality- or logic- based as those on this board do seem to wish her harm simply for being a member of the press.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1677642033450852365

 

[emigrate]

FYI. The United Cajun Navy YouTube channel is an approved source.

What a truly decent human being, we need more people like this. I know most of the time I feel there are way more bad people than good but I think that is because all we hear about are the bad. This gives me hope that we truly are not out numbered by the bad people. I hope we out number the evil non humans.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Questions-

1. Anybody think the gun isn’t real? Air soft or something?

His mother may be an enabler. She knows what is going on but turns a blind eye to it. However, she may not support him financially outside of providing room and board.
As for dealing, yeah you can make good money, but if you’re using and abusing, it will eat up those profits.
Drug addled minds do not think clearly. If he had inside info from his drug addicted gf, it might have seemed a simple job. How much trouble could an 84 year old be? The possibility of making millions of bucks might seem like manna from heaven.

Good catch. The linked article includes this disclaimer:
Note: An earlier version of this story stated that the United Cajun Navy was assisting in the search at the request of family and friends. This has been corrected to reflect the local volunteer effort.

Bringing up for all… thanks for sharing.

I wonder about that too. Some people say it was a tip. I'm not sure a tip is enough to get a search warrant. Does anyone know? Otherwise interest in him would come about through police work I think.

We don't know of all the camera footage. We don't know if LE had figured other things out already. Maybe cell data records. (Although taking your phone on a criminal mission is a bad idea.)

It could be a combination of a tip plus police work. Maybe a tip comes in and LE works backwards. They know what car he was driving. So then they look at camera footage from nearby stores or whatever and see that car.

I think the search warrant for the house would explain everything but that piece of paper shan't be shared with us.

Sorry my quotes are out of order. Expanding on Oldcop.

What’s interesting to me is what mom is quoted by her neighbor as saying:

Neighbor Recalls Investigators Searching Home Next Door in Guthrie Disappearance

David Curl, a retired lawyer, said the woman who lived there was distraught and did not know why investigators were focusing on her home.

www.nytimes.com

“She had no idea what they were asking about,” Mr. Curl said of his neighbor. “She had no information about the disappearance or any idea why they were focusing on their house.”

“She’s really distraught,” Mr. Curl said of his neighbor. She told him on Saturday afternoon that her son had been questioned and released and was now with friends.

What were they asking about? Is she saying she didn’t know of Nancy Guthrie?

And, momma is traumatized after a swat raid and darling son goes to stay with friends?

Arizona man detained in SWAT operation denies link to Nancy Guthrie abduction

Two Tucson ex-cons face online scrutiny in Nancy Guthrie case despite no official accusations. Luke Daley detained in SWAT raid, released without charges.

www.foxnews.com

I’m not convinced LD is on camera at Nancy’s either, but there is some really suspect evidence it seems. And I’d encourage anyone that’s legit curious to look up the cases relating and learn a bit more.

As to why- I agree with nycpizzaparty on the why and add:
1. As for a “tip”- timing is very interesting as to KD “already being in jail.”
2. LD body size
3. LD facial features
4. Priors of both
5. Addiction of both
6. Pending or likely jail time for both
7. Again I say, why buy a car if heading to jail in a few months-(3).

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

I just subscribed to Nancy Grace’s podcast on YouTube and it got me thinking, what are the odds this guy is subscribing to people covering this case? Maybe he’s recently subscribed to Entin, JLR, Grace etc.If I’m investigating I’m not too sure I wouldn’t comb through some YouTube handles that are common to all or some of those personalities that are recent subscribers.

Just a thought.

 

[maskedwoman]

Thank you for your reply.

That link you provide doesn’t show for me, either. I get the same message that it is age-restricted content, and I must log in to view it.

Since I don’t have an account, I can’t log in.

I guess the settings must’ve been changed so that only those with accounts and over 18 can view the post.

I believe that X uses their account sign in to make sure minor don't view age-restricted content. When we first saw the picture it had probably not yet been age-restricted. I don't know whether it's complaints or some other way that they identify which pictures should be restricted.

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

I know it sounds bad but I used to get so suspicious of people who would join a couple days after a case broke and started striking up convos in the threads. Now silly me realizes we all got here from searching a case and were new to a thread and maybe people thought we were "fishing". I found this place during the Laci Peterson case and I am sure some people here thought I was Scott a few times because of question my green self asked then, lol.

Yeah I hate even throwing out ideas in case the suspect is lurking. But I have a big mouth so I can’t help myself.

 

[Fromeaster]

Or maybe there's no need to look for logic and motive. Maybe it's the work of a mentally ill person who committed a terrible crime. Some socially awkward, disappointed in life, I don't rule out a sexual motive. He just hates this family or family member for no reason, or he's just jealous.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Savannah announced a $500,000 donation to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children to support families searching for loved ones.

“We also know that we are not alone in our loss. We know there are millions of families that have suffered with this kind of uncertainty. And for that reason, today, we are also donating $500,000 to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children for their work in helping families who are coping with loss and actively looking for those who are lost.”

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[emigrate]

Yeah I hate even throwing out ideas in case the suspect is lurking. But I have a big mouth so I can’t help myself.

Hilarious but no worries there are so many "how to" shows on tv and youtube we aren't giving them much they can't find before doing the crimes.