• #39,001
Hoping that the amount of money out there will cause people to focus on real, actionable tips not just speculation. You know, get serious.
One would hope so, but it seems like it often does the opposite. If they can think of anyone they know with brown eyes and a mustache, some idiots are going to call it in...Soon you have chaos.

A million dollars is hard to ignore---so to add to the above, many morons will call in tips about their ex-boyfriends or mean bosses for the thrill of it. And the fantasy about getting them arrested and winning a million bucks as a reward. :rolleyes:
 
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With all due respect, it's been brought up 500 times in this thread already.
And honestly it's worth repeating for those that are local and feel passionate about it.

I'm not local and I have no preconceived notions about local LE in this case. And generally I'm a huge supporter of what these guys do. That's why we are here to support families and those trying to seek truth for the victims.

But I'll never tell locals how to feel or how to post. They see and hear and live things that we only observe from afar.

I've experienced many cases where local law enforcement have let families down, they are human and I'll give them grace, But they absolutely are not exempt from criticism and I'd be willing to bet you might have the same outlook if it was your loved one that was missing. JMO
 
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Get that all at once, and you have a massive mess on your hands.

Initial tips that aren't motivated by money are likely to be real and actionable. Throw a reward out there and you increase the volume, lower the quality, and put you way behind the 8 ball.

In no universe would I offer this much money right away.
Yeah if you have viable leads you absolutely don't do this from the start.

You do this when you are at a crossroads and hope to strike lightening in a bottle.

They are likely now prioritizing tips that are very specific. You throw that line out with your last big worm and hope it attracts the big fish.

It's a hail Mary of sorts
 
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Yeah if you have viable leads you absolutely don't do this from the start.

You do this when you are at a crossroads and hope to strike lightening in a bottle.

They are likely now prioritizing tips that are very specific. You throw that line out with your last big worm and hope it attracts the big fish.

It's a hail Mary of sorts
This is coming from the family who doesn't have much more info than the public so maybe they are afraid things are at a standstill.
 
  • #39,006
Does anyone know who dropped her off, and why so late? I wonder if it was a special celebration. Usually elderly people don’t stay up that late.
It was reported so fast because she missed Sunday church that next morning which apparently she never missed.
 
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Do what you want to.

I personally find it tiring to scroll past hundreds of "Sheriff Nanos bad" posts. MOO
Understood and totally understand where you are coming from. Sometimes posts are not meant for everyone.

Cases are not solved in a vacuum, There are parts we disagree with and can't understand, but sometimes those parts that we can't understand may hold significance.

I just try to understand all sides and sometimes true crime and investigations aren't always mandated to be viewed thru rose colored glasses.

I feel the pain of the families seeking answers and sometimes its ok to question steps taken to try to help those families
 
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Just my random opinion, but perhaps the point of taking NG was simply that someone wanted SG to suffer? If so, her videos are feeding into what they set out to achieve. Don't know who would hate SG that intensely, but it could range from a mentally ill person to someone like a former fired coworker who felt intensely betrayed by SG and is trying to make a media comeback. Will be very interesting to see if SG returns to TV and if not, who fills the chair. Always useful to look at motive, means, opportunity. Just my opinions, thinking outside of theories already discussed on here, fwiw.
I've thought similar thoughts.

I hope they've been looking at any creepy fan letters or gifts, etc. Lots of stalker type weirdos could target SG. If someone felt rejected by her, they might get vindictive.

Often it is a manager or a security member that does the rejection---SG may not even know about it or even open her fan mail herself.

I hope someone has been going back over any letters/gifts/emails etc. Anyone who was persistent, then aggressive and angry?


ETA:::And if they were sulking and resentful, then saw the December Specials about SG and her Mom in her hometown, the angry fan could have easily found NG's address.
 
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This sheriff will not agree that another group will come into his territory and maybe find NG. IMO
That is not helping at all. ^^^
Why wouldn't he welcome outside LE ?
Untrained volunteers is understandable; but LE with experience he will not agree to ?
Maybe he'll change his mind.
Imo.
 
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I just subscribed to Nancy Grace’s podcast on YouTube and it got me thinking, what are the odds this guy is subscribing to people covering this case? Maybe he’s recently subscribed to Entin, JLR, Grace etc.If I’m investigating I’m not too sure I wouldn’t comb through some YouTube handles that are common to all or some of those personalities that are recent subscribers.

Just a thought.
I said much the same thing upthread, although it seems to have been removed. I am confident that NG's kidnapper is closely watching coverage - MSM's coverage, our conversations, etc. JMO
 
  • #39,012
This is close to Nancy's neighbourhood.
An attempted kidnapping in september.
Could it be a random deranged individual after all? 🤔
Did they arrest someone for this?
This does not look like a teenager to me.

As more time goes on, the more I return to my original theory - failed kidnap for ransom.

This person targeted NG, knowing SG was her daughter and could extort the family for millions. But NG had a medical event or this person was too rough with her and she passed away. Then they panicked and tried to stick to the plan, but couldn’t provide proof of life. JMO

The fact there have been no further arrests related to the ransom notes is important IMO. Whoever sent them clearly spent an extensive amount of time and effort making themselves untraceable.

Unfortunately, with all the information regarding ancestral DNA and the extreme media coverage, I’m concerned this person may have taken their own life or left the country. JMO

I think he looks way older than a teenager
I agree.. I live with teens and they just do not move like that..I think this could be a young adult however..jmo..
 
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Given the new information coming out regarding the "no backpack" video coming from a different night, I suspected this might be the case when I posted this. Which brings me back to my main question - if it is true that this is from another night, what caused the suspect to abandon this "first" abduction attempt? Do we have any information regarding whether Ms. Guthrie was at home on January 11? And could they have actually entered the house on prior occasions when she was out in order to get the lay of the house first? Lastly, the multiple appearances makes me think the suspect is locally-based.
I think you're right about the perp(s) being locally based. I don't think there was an abandoned abduction. I think this is evidence of stalking/surveillance of NG prior to the abduction/crime..jmo..
 
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I’m surprised that LE hasn’t now made the ransom notes available. Publication may help identify the author, as it has in the past, most memorably in the Unabomber case. Even if the ransom notes aren’t from the abductor, there’s a criminal behind them.

They could hold back the crypto wallet addresses. There’s a decent chance someone would recognise the way the writer expresses himself. I think capable writers are more likely to write often and at length (email, text messages, documents) because it’s easy for them, and effective. So there may be lots of reference material out there for comparison, written by the same person.

Any idea why the notes would be held back at this stage?
 
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I agree. And sometimes people who are high on drugs make brilliant plans (in their mind). And convince others it’s a great idea.
BUT — what the heck put LD on their radar? Why raid him? They can only hold a person for so long so I hope they are crossing the t’s and dotting the i’s.
I have a feeling it’s the RR, caught on camera somewhere integral to the case. The SUV had a temp plate and a possible recent change of ownership which may have muddied the waters a bit. As far as we know, it has not yet been released from custody leaving me to believe LE has some strong feelings that it holds evidence pertaining to the disappearance of Ruth Guthrie.
 

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