• #39,301
Following your post..How about EX colleague? Make it a murder for hire thing. Ex colleague of SG. Possibly passed over and SG gets the fame. jmo
This could be the case. I’ve seen many comments elsewhere that probe this possibility.
 
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Ghoulish invasion of NG's privacy, IMO. There are No Trespassing signs posted. Does the family need to put a screened dome over the entire property?

LE has been deliberate: they will not divulge information about the crime scene inside the home to protect the integrity of the investigation. This image of the interior, including a bed it speculates an elderly woman was abducted from in the middle of the night, compromises the investigation and compounds the family's excruciating pain.

This image was released by major network makes it more than irresponsible. It's reprehensible, IMO. Flying a drone peering into windows and posting intimate photos of the bedroom that investigators did not want released. Fox News is a major network, one some consider mainstream media, not some clueless freelancer hoping to get a foothold as a true crime livestreamer.
 
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Ghoulish invasion of NG's privacy, IMO. There are No Trespassing signs posted. Does the family need to put a screened dome over the entire property?

LE has been deliberate: they will not divulge information about the crime scene inside the home to protect the integrity of the investigation. This image of the interior, including a bed it speculates an elderly woman was abducted from in the middle of the night, compromises the investigation and compounds the family's excruciating pain.

This image was released by major network makes it more than irresponsible. It's reprehensible, IMO. Flying a drone peering into windows and posting intimate photos of the bedroom that investigators did not want released. Fox News is a major network, one some consider mainstream media, not some clueless freelancer hoping to get a foothold as a true crime livestreamer.
I understand your point. However if it makes you feel better this is not NGs bed- this is an image of her guest house
 
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With all due respect, this sounds like a bad 80s movie plot. A true "big boss" could have had his guy slip in a window and make it look like she slipped getting out of the bathtub. Or fell back and cracked her head open while getting some laundry out of the dryer. If someone just needed her dead, there would be no need for the bad theatre optics of kidnapping.
THEATER OPTICS = drama. Perp is starring in his own drama. jmo
 
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Just thinking out loud - I wonder if there were any signs of forced entry in the casita - perp could have been in there before (11th?), watching if NG had a routine, who comes and goes, whether she locked doors/windows at night etc... JMO
 
  • #39,307
I hope this is ok to ask. Is the black vehicle an LE SUV or possibly a Hearse?
You'd definitely know if it was a hearse, they're pretty unmistakable
 
  • #39,308
IMHO

This case was a highly planned out and most definitely targeted kidnapping for ransom in order to specifically extort big money from Savannah Guthrie who had the means to pay six million dollars for the return of her mother.

It was/ is a very sophisticated kidnapping for ransom in several ways.
It was without a doubt NOT a burglary or sexual crime.
It was not a vendetta against Savannah per se, she was simply targeted for her wealth
and for the fact that it was public knowledge that she was close to her mother who lived in Tucson.

Both NBC and Savannah realize (after the fact) that they contributed to the fact that Nancy was targeted. In Savannah’s case she will need to forgive herself for the sake of her own health and for those who love her and need her.

I think that ransom notes sent to TMZ and such were possible duplicates of the same note sent earlier to local law enforcement and/or to NBC for Savannah’s attention- just not disclosed as such.
After no acknowledgment of the earliest note(s), the kidnappers cast a wider net to be sure their important note wasn’t ignored - hence TMZ and local news stations.
The earliest note was legitimately attached to this kidnapping and these kidnappers meant business. No further contact, no negotiations for less than six million dollars.
This was definitely NOT a one man operation.

I will reiterate that it is my belief that this kidnapping was masterminded by people who may be local but definitely have connections south of the border - which is 90 minutes by car from Nancy’s home.
I think Nancy was well into Mexico many hours before the alarm was raised by her friends when she missed their get-together for virtual church worship.

Statistically Mexico has tens of thousands of kidnappings for extortion/ ransom yearly.
One could even say it has a kidnapping culture.

The original note was not written by AI but was analyzed as composed by a non native English speaker.
Thereby the original sharp focus on Savannah’s brother in law who was subsequently and rightfully fully cleared.

The biggest clue by far in this case is the porch videos.
Law enforcement should be commended for extracting those videos.
I don’t think there was any extra masking to hide features.
The facial hair in the video matches copious numbers of locals, copious numbers of gentlemen from south of the border and almost half of the US men’s hockey team that just won gold in the Olympics.
In other words, these aren’t unique features.

I don’t think Nancy had a working burglar alarm. Perps would have checked for that before breaking in the night of the abduction.

How is this kidnapping sophisticated?
1) legitimate ransom note is untraceable- very very advanced computer skills on behalf of perps
2) crypto account for ransom also untraceable - would have been abandoned after authorities deposited their “dusting” money into the account
3) no traceable vehicle that Nancy was abducted in to date
4) no mistakes like “knife sheath” left on scene
5) meticulous planning to assure perps are not identified

I don’t believe these sophisticated perps tossed their black gloves out their truck/van window. Nothing will come of any of the gloves.

I think the kidnappers have covered their tracks/ disposed of/ burned the kidnapping vehicle, disposed of/ burned all clothing and accessories seen in the porch video/ disposed of/ burned Nancy’s body. They have abandoned anything that could tie them via DNA to Nancy- possibly even burned down the remote ranch house where they were holding Nancy.

I think that in time, the FBI will determine which group planned this sophisticated, targeted kidnapping but there will be no evidence to prosecute anyone involved.

I think that the group involved in taking Nancy has carried out numerous successful extortions/ kidnappings for ransom in the past and that this one was the culmination of their past experiences and their brazenness in raising the bar to a much higher bounty.

I don’t think that this will be their last kidnapping or that they will necessarily lay low for any amount of time.

I think these kidnappers truly thought that they had a good chance of obtaining six million dollars from Savannah and that they are disappointed/ angry/frustrated that their well thought out plan didn’t bear fruit this time.

I think their wheels are already spinning towards other possible targets that may bear fruit.

Nonetheless, I’m still joining Savannah in praying for a miracle and my heart truly aches for all of Nancy’s loved ones.
Well-thought out plan and preparation, but never achieved their goal, why?
 
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I understand your point. However if it makes you feel better this is not NGs bed- this is an image of her guest house
Maybe someone was staying in her guest house and she kicked them out
 
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With all due respect, this sounds like a bad 80s movie plot. A true "big boss" could have had his guy slip in a window and make it look like she slipped getting out of the bathtub. Or fell back and cracked her head open while getting some laundry out of the dryer. If someone just needed her dead, there would be no need for the bad theatre optics of kidnapping.
I understand thinking the kidnapping/ ransom is related, but I don’t think it is related( other than separate opportunistic criminals).
I believe it was something simple ( like drugs) with local people, and they just wanted NG gone.
It’s actually very common for criminals to get paranoid, want to avoid jail, etc. I know it seems over the top to take NG( usually drug criminals just shoot, leave body).
I think the drug theme works overall. JMO
My question, why take the body? ( paranoid of DNA?)

JMO
 
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Maybe OT but I found this article about Savanna's uncle Pierce who she mentions in her latest video. Photos and some family dynamics in article.


 
  • #39,316
IMHO

This case was a highly planned out and most definitely targeted kidnapping for ransom in order to specifically extort big money from Savannah Guthrie who had the means to pay six million dollars for the return of her mother.

It was/ is a very sophisticated kidnapping for ransom in several ways.
It was without a doubt NOT a burglary or sexual crime.
It was not a vendetta against Savannah per se, she was simply targeted for her wealth
and for the fact that it was public knowledge that she was close to her mother who lived in Tucson.

Both NBC and Savannah realize (after the fact) that they contributed to the fact that Nancy was targeted. In Savannah’s case she will need to forgive herself for the sake of her own health and for those who love her and need her.

I think that ransom notes sent to TMZ and such were possible duplicates of the same note sent earlier to local law enforcement and/or to NBC for Savannah’s attention- just not disclosed as such.
After no acknowledgment of the earliest note(s), the kidnappers cast a wider net to be sure their important note wasn’t ignored - hence TMZ and local news stations.
The earliest note was legitimately attached to this kidnapping and these kidnappers meant business. No further contact, no negotiations for less than six million dollars.
This was definitely NOT a one man operation.

I will reiterate that it is my belief that this kidnapping was masterminded by people who may be local but definitely have connections south of the border - which is 90 minutes by car from Nancy’s home.
I think Nancy was well into Mexico many hours before the alarm was raised by her friends when she missed their get-together for virtual church worship.

Statistically Mexico has tens of thousands of kidnappings for extortion/ ransom yearly.
One could even say it has a kidnapping culture.

The original note was not written by AI but was analyzed as composed by a non native English speaker.
Thereby the original sharp focus on Savannah’s brother in law who was subsequently and rightfully fully cleared.

The biggest clue by far in this case is the porch videos.
Law enforcement should be commended for extracting those videos.
I don’t think there was any extra masking to hide features.
The facial hair in the video matches copious numbers of locals, copious numbers of gentlemen from south of the border and almost half of the US men’s hockey team that just won gold in the Olympics.
In other words, these aren’t unique features.

I don’t think Nancy had a working burglar alarm. Perps would have checked for that before breaking in the night of the abduction.

How is this kidnapping sophisticated?
1) legitimate ransom note is untraceable- very very advanced computer skills on behalf of perps
2) crypto account for ransom also untraceable - would have been abandoned after authorities deposited their “dusting” money into the account
3) no traceable vehicle that Nancy was abducted in to date
4) no mistakes like “knife sheath” left on scene
5) meticulous planning to assure perps are not identified

I don’t believe these sophisticated perps tossed their black gloves out their truck/van window. Nothing will come of any of the gloves.

I think the kidnappers have covered their tracks/ disposed of/ burned the kidnapping vehicle, disposed of/ burned all clothing and accessories seen in the porch video/ disposed of/ burned Nancy’s body. They have abandoned anything that could tie them via DNA to Nancy- possibly even burned down the remote ranch house where they were holding Nancy.

I think that in time, the FBI will determine which group planned this sophisticated, targeted kidnapping but there will be no evidence to prosecute anyone involved.

I think that the group involved in taking Nancy has carried out numerous successful extortions/ kidnappings for ransom in the past and that this one was the culmination of their past experiences and their brazenness in raising the bar to a much higher bounty.

I don’t think that this will be their last kidnapping or that they will necessarily lay low for any amount of time.

I think these kidnappers truly thought that they had a good chance of obtaining six million dollars from Savannah and that they are disappointed/ angry/frustrated that their well thought out plan didn’t bear fruit this time.

I think their wheels are already spinning towards other possible targets that may bear fruit.

Nonetheless, I’m still joining Savannah in praying for a miracle and my heart truly aches for all of Nancy’s loved ones.
“The original note was not written by AI but was analyzed as composed by a non native English speaker.”

Where is this info from? I don’t find it by Googling.
 
  • #39,317
how does the 6 year old become fearful of law enforcement? parents sent him to grannies when they saw all the idiots converging on their street
Children perceive what their parents fear. Especially at 6 years old. I am sure LE was matter of fact and by the book. Uniforms on. Guns in holsters. Just thinking of my children and how they might have reacted or even myself. That was not a slight on LE.
 
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Amazing how so many people see so many things in this picture. I have no idea what i'm looking at except a little rug 😅
Lots of folks imaginations are running wild : )
 
  • #39,319
Ghoulish invasion of NG's privacy, IMO. There are No Trespassing signs posted. Does the family need to put a screened dome over the entire property?

LE has been deliberate: they will not divulge information about the crime scene inside the home to protect the integrity of the investigation. This image of the interior, including a bed it speculates an elderly woman was abducted from in the middle of the night, compromises the investigation and compounds the family's excruciating pain.

This image was released by major network makes it more than irresponsible. It's reprehensible, IMO. Flying a drone peering into windows and posting intimate photos of the bedroom that investigators did not want released. Fox News is a major network, one some consider mainstream media, not some clueless freelancer hoping to get a foothold as a true crime livestreamer.
All I see is a rug. Nothing looks like a bed to me.
 
  • #39,320
We need to get back to basics thinking here. List 5 reasons someone would take a body with them?
1. I'll start embarrassment over sexual fantasy, evidence being found.
 

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