AZ Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[moonglow123]

This case reminds me so much of the Idaho murders. No investigator would’ve first guessed that a random intruder would kill 4 innocent people, he didn’t know, in a matter of minutes. It defies the typical odds. I think that’s where this case is. It doesn’t make sense, because the chances of this happening are so, so statistically low with her age and lack of viable ransom. Moo

Yeah, seriously. We can talk about statistically likely things, but crazy and improbable stuff happens all the time. Any creep could've fixated on Nancy at any time, for any reason. We still don't know exactly how or why BK ended up fixating on his victims.

I just hope there's some concrete evidence somewhere along the way, or someone ends up talking for the reward. Savannah said people could call the tipline anonymously. There's no reason for someone to stay silent if they suspect who could've done this. Let's hope they're moved to report him.

 

[cait2007]

I had a weird idea when typing up another post trying to get to "my theory".

I vaguely remember something being mentioned about NG only recently joining that online church group. Did she recently stop attending physical church? Maybe some deranged person she met there thought she abandoned them or something like that?

This was in the thread with proper media link, but it was said she tuned in online with local friends to view the service on Sunday. She started watching online around covid time. The church service they watched was the same church Savannah attends states away, so not a local church.

 

[LadyL]

This case reminds me so much of the Idaho murders. No investigator would’ve first guessed that a random intruder would kill 4 innocent people, he didn’t know, in a matter of minutes. It defies the typical odds. I think that’s where this case is. It doesn’t make sense, because the chances of this happening are so, so statistically low with her age and lack of viable ransom. Moo

lack of viable ransom? IMO they knew who her daughter was and the ransom hinges on that - one google search gave them Savannah's net worth

 

[VicBlazey]

Parking banned from tomorrow on NG's Street and surrounding areas. $250 fine for violation.

Hope this is ok to post

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026771755717534082

 

[cait2007]

Greed.
Obviously not a perfect plan either - though well-thought out and sophisticated in some ways. Sophisticated enough to have stumped law enforcement, FBI, and any private detectives the family has hired so far.

Six million dollars was too much to ask for unless someone is a billionaire (in which case they have better security for their immediate family members so it’s a moot point)
Although Savannah had six million dollars to throw at this it’s still too much to ask for without a way to contact the kidnappers, negotiate or have true proof of life.

Hypothetically, if Savannah had decided to throw six million dollars into the crypto fund and Nancy was then returned alive in a timely manner, this would have opened Pandora’s box for every crook out there to start kidnapping elderly victims.

Obviously the local police and FBI advised Savannah against paying the ransom - as they should.

I believe the ransom notes were opportunists. If the ransom actually had any proof of life then I believe they may of paid it. Savannah said they would pay, but there wasn’t any proof or instructions. Giving a bitcoin address isn’t legit. If this was truly a kidnap for ransom then proper steps would’ve been taken right away. She’s 84, so maintaining her health isn’t something you want to risk if money is your motivator. JMO

 

[SRWCF]

Parking banned from tomorrow on NG's Street and surrounding areas. $250 fine for violation.

Hope this is ok to post

https://twitter.com/x/status/2026771755717534082

Good! They should have done this from day 1.

 

[cait2007]

lack of viable ransom? IMO they knew who her daughter was and the ransom hinges on that - one google search gave them Savannah's net worth

By viable I mean legitimate directions, like “the money goes here and she will be released there” or showing any proof that they actually have her alive. Anyone can give random details and a bitcoin address, that’s not enough to substantiate a ransom.

 

[Moonchime]

Yes, Nancy and SG had done that TV segment which showed them both in and around the area around November IIRC. Nancy would have been so easily accessible and vulnerable as we have learned.

A deranged mind, local to the area, might think of terrible things from robbery, kidnapping to SA.

JMO

Last night, I lay awake trying to make sense of what might have happened to NG. My thoughts kept circling back to that TV segment filmed in Tucson, most especially the footage inside their favorite restaurant. They looked so genuinely happy around that table, just a mother and her daughters sharing a joyful time.

It's heartbreaking to imagine that their warmth and contentment might have caught the eye of someone deeply troubled. Perhaps a worker there became fixated on them, envious or resentful of the love and connection they so clearly shared. Maybe seeing their happiness triggered something dark and irrational, an unbearable sense that 'it's not fair. The contrast between that bright, loving scene and the horror that followed is hard to shake. MOO

 

[Napoli]

I believe the ransom notes were opportunists. If the ransom actually had any proof of life then I believe they may of paid it. Savannah said they would pay, but there wasn’t any proof or instructions. Giving a bitcoin address isn’t legit. If this was truly a kidnap for ransom then proper steps would’ve been taken right away. She’s 84, so maintaining her health isn’t something you want to risk if money is your motivator. JMO

Savannah said she would pay but that was after the video asking for proof of life. it was in the video, "we understand. we will pay. maybe she didn't mean pay MONEY. We will PAY in emotions and misery or guilt or fear or sorrow. We will PAY may not have meant money. JMO

Savannah Guthrie tells mother's possible kidnapper 'we will pay' in new video

“We received your message and we understand,” the “TODAY” co-anchor said in the video. “We beg you now to return our mother to us so that we can celebrate with her."

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Bluewing3102]

By viable I mean legitimate directions, like “the money goes here and she will be released there” or showing any proof that they actually have her alive. Anyone can give random details and a bitcoin address, that’s not enough to substantiate a ransom.

I know what you are saying. To be fair though there were instructions. The initial ransom said deliver this amount to this address by this deadline. The ransom according to HL of TMZ- stated upon payment NG would be returned to a location in Tucson within x hours. And they gave specific location of her apple watch. I understand proof of life was not provided, but imo that doesn't automatically mean these weren't legitimate. Criminals often deviate from original plans when they realize things aren't going their way. Also some criminals don't plan things the best. There is no class "criminal 101 how to write a ransom".

We also don't know the exact details of this letter, but the news stations who were sent it all seemed to agree on its content.

JMO

 

[TheDinks]

I hope this is ok to post, but I just saw a video of 2 men at the Tucson Gem show where one of them allegedly took a Gold Specimen out of a case and the man in white pronates(walks on the outside of his right foot) as he walks in the 1st video and he bends like the perp w/backpack on porch in the second video. His facial shape and hair are similar to porch backpack perp. His accomplice is a little thinner carrying a large bag. Has this been brought to the Sheriff and FBI? I’m assuming so? Can someone confirm?

This has been discussed on SM for a while now so am sure LE are aware of it. Just sayin'

 

[Katrinepa]

Yeah, seriously. We can talk about statistically likely things, but crazy and improbable stuff happens all the time. Any creep could've fixated on Nancy at any time, for any reason. We still don't know exactly how or why BK ended up fixating on his victims.

I just hope there's some concrete evidence somewhere along the way, or someone ends up talking for the reward. Savannah said people could call the tipline anonymously. There's no reason for someone to stay silent if they suspect who could've done this. Let's hope they're moved to report him.

Also, In Idaho, it wasn't a random person. Brian Kohberger stalked one of the girls in that house, and was watching them for a time before the murders. I think he is an Incel, but nothing to talk about here.

 

[stmichael]

Cars have awesome headlights

Night vision problems cause blurring with lights at night. Lights don't help. It's a thing. When I once had to wear special contacts that are thicker than normal and wonky I couldn't drive at night. If you watch the night drive video in NG neighborhood that environment would be exceptionally hard for people with this light/darkness contrast night vision problem which is more common that many think.

My MIL is in her early 70s and won't drive at night due to this night vision problem. We had Sunday dinners at freakin' 2 pm and she lives in well lit Staten Island. A lot of people have problems with night driving and it factually gets statistically worse with old age as do many things. It's silly to get over-defensive about it.
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Anyhoo, money talks and would be interesting to see if the $1M reward lead to a credible lead with this upcoming conference/developments.

 

[LadyL]

By viable I mean legitimate directions, like “the money goes here and she will be released there” or showing any proof that they actually have her alive. Anyone can give random details and a bitcoin address, that’s not enough to substantiate a ransom.

I agree there's been no proof of life but we don't exactly know what was in all the ransom demands. Harvey Levin stated some things on camera and said that he was not revealing other things at the request of the FBI.

 

[iluvmyelement]

You'd definitely know if it was a hearse, they're pretty unmistakable

I will say they don't really use traditional hearses around Tucson any longer. I used to work next to the medical examiner's office and most of the time the vehicles bringing and taking away the souls were white minivans from the funeral homes.

 

[Sessiebo]

Link?

This is the insta of the business owner that got his gems stolen.

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[ab01]

I just hope that if DA office was infact on scene they have enough evidence to secure a conviction. Public and likely even political pressure is extremely high in this case to make an arrest. imo

Although them being there wouldn’t necessarily mean that charges are incoming. We have seen in multiple cases where the DA would make multiple trips to the crime scene just to see where the investigation stood. The Stauch case and the Watts case come to mind.

 

[Serononin]

We need to get back to basics thinking here. List 5 reasons someone would take a body with them?
1. I'll start embarrassment over sexual fantasy, evidence being found.

6. (Or possibly 7, I lost count a few pages back) Something unintended happened which left Nancy alive but gravely injured. Perp(s) couldn't bring themselves to 'finish her off', but also didn't want to leave her in case she survived and identified them, or stay in the house and risk being caught. So they bundle her into their vehicle and figure they'll come up with a proper plan once they're further away from the scene of the crime

 

[Trino]

HMMM. What could they discover that hasn't been discovered in the numerous times they have been there? jmo

Teacher in band with Nancy Guthrie's son-in-law says his HOME was mobbed by ghouls who accused him of abducting her, leaving his son, 6, petrified

[…]

Dominic Evans, 48, an elementary school teacher and drummer in a band with Tommaso Cioni, said his life was turned upside down when he was incorrectly named online as a person of interest.

He told the New York Times that his family were left fearing for their lives when a mob showed up at his home and demanded he be arrested, despite police sharing no public evidence linking him to the 84-year-old's disappearance.

The only tenuous link appeared to be a picture of an unidentified suspect wearing a mask outside Nancy's home on the night she vanished in the early hours of February 1, which some online claimed matched Evans' eyes.

Evans' arrest in 1999 for stealing a calculator and a watch from a bar was enough to cement him as a suspect on social media, with some claiming he abducted Nancy with Cioni - who has also faced a wave of false allegations that he was involved.

The teacher said his son was with his grandmother when the abuse began on February 10, and the mob outside their home forced the six-year-old to spend his first ever night away from his parents because they were too afraid to leave their home.

'It was all night looking through the window, trying to not let any light out of our home,' Evans' wife added, describing herself as 'scared numb' by the situation.

Evans said he was briefly interviewed by investigators about the disappearance, and the Times said he was often 'near tears' as he recounted the experience of being hounded by social media sleuths.

'I feel like someone’s taken my name,' he said. Asked for what reason he was targeted, he responded: 'I don’t know - monetary, clickbait, to be relevant, entertainment - but there are innocent people that get hurt.'
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Bandmate of Nancy Guthrie's son-in-law speaks out after he was accused

Sounds like the crowd would have lynched him if they could or attempted to destroy his property. People are crazy. They really thought because he stole a calculator/watch 25 years ago, he abducted an 84 yr old woman?

 

[Bluewing3102]

I wonder if google nest recovered more security footage and handed it to the FBI (since they were the ones dealing with recovery efforts not PSCD). That could explain why we saw them walk from the front porch and then around the left side of the house to the backyard. Maybe they already know which way the perp walked or came from.

JMO