My brother does ,too!Agree. My dad has similar roles.
My brother does ,too!Agree. My dad has similar roles.
Well, joke’s on them, they didn’t get a dime out of this kidnapping.IMHO
This case was a highly planned out and most definitely targeted kidnapping for ransom in order to specifically extort big money from Savannah Guthrie who had the means to pay six million dollars for the return of her mother.
It was/ is a very sophisticated kidnapping for ransom in several ways.
It was without a doubt NOT a burglary or sexual crime.
It was not a vendetta against Savannah per se, she was simply targeted for her wealth
and for the fact that it was public knowledge that she was close to her mother who lived in Tucson.
Both NBC and Savannah realize (after the fact) that they contributed to the fact that Nancy was targeted. In Savannah’s case she will need to forgive herself for the sake of her own health and for those who love her and need her.
I think that ransom notes sent to TMZ and such were possible duplicates of the same note sent earlier to local law enforcement and/or to NBC for Savannah’s attention- just not disclosed as such.
After no acknowledgment of the earliest note(s), the kidnappers cast a wider net to be sure their important note wasn’t ignored - hence TMZ and local news stations.
The earliest note was legitimately attached to this kidnapping and these kidnappers meant business. No further contact, no negotiations for less than six million dollars.
This was definitely NOT a one man operation.
I will reiterate that it is my belief that this kidnapping was masterminded by people who may be local but definitely have connections south of the border - which is 90 minutes by car from Nancy’s home.
I think Nancy was well into Mexico many hours before the alarm was raised by her friends when she missed their get-together for virtual church worship.
Statistically Mexico has tens of thousands of kidnappings for extortion/ ransom yearly.
One could even say it has a kidnapping culture.
The original note was not written by AI but was analyzed as composed by a non native English speaker.
Thereby the original sharp focus on Savannah’s brother in law who was subsequently and rightfully fully cleared.
The biggest clue by far in this case is the porch videos.
Law enforcement should be commended for extracting those videos.
I don’t think there was any extra masking to hide features.
The facial hair in the video matches copious numbers of locals, copious numbers of gentlemen from south of the border and almost half of the US men’s hockey team that just won gold in the Olympics.
In other words, these aren’t unique features.
I don’t think Nancy had a working burglar alarm. Perps would have checked for that before breaking in the night of the abduction.
How is this kidnapping sophisticated?
1) legitimate ransom note is untraceable- very very advanced computer skills on behalf of perps
2) crypto account for ransom also untraceable - would have been abandoned after authorities deposited their “dusting” money into the account
3) no traceable vehicle that Nancy was abducted in to date
4) no mistakes like “knife sheath” left on scene
5) meticulous planning to assure perps are not identified
I don’t believe these sophisticated perps tossed their black gloves out their truck/van window. Nothing will come of any of the gloves.
I think the kidnappers have covered their tracks/ disposed of/ burned the kidnapping vehicle, disposed of/ burned all clothing and accessories seen in the porch video/ disposed of/ burned Nancy’s body. They have abandoned anything that could tie them via DNA to Nancy- possibly even burned down the remote ranch house where they were holding Nancy.
I think that in time, the FBI will determine which group planned this sophisticated, targeted kidnapping but there will be no evidence to prosecute anyone involved.
I think that the group involved in taking Nancy has carried out numerous successful extortions/ kidnappings for ransom in the past and that this one was the culmination of their past experiences and their brazenness in raising the bar to a much higher bounty.
I don’t think that this will be their last kidnapping or that they will necessarily lay low for any amount of time.
I think these kidnappers truly thought that they had a good chance of obtaining six million dollars from Savannah and that they are disappointed/ angry/frustrated that their well thought out plan didn’t bear fruit this time.
I think their wheels are already spinning towards other possible targets that may bear fruit.
Nonetheless, I’m still joining Savannah in praying for a miracle and my heart truly aches for all of Nancy’s loved ones.
I think about that a lot, too.I'm thinking back to the beginning of this crime. The homicide team was called in. To me, there is evidence we don't know about that leads them to believe something horrific happened in the house.
I don't think people knew what his previous conviction was but definitely some kind of witch hunt mentality.Plenty of posters here would have cheered them on, too. There was incessant sleuthing and accusations of guilt regarding that person here on websleuths, until mods, thankfully, shut it down.
I don't see it either but since we have no clue who is responsible for taking Nancy we just have to look in all nooks and crannies.Shoplifting and home invasion/abduction are such vastly different crimes. I don't see it.
MOO
White vans make sense also if from the Medical Examiner's office/County Coroner...I will say they don't really use traditional hearses around Tucson any longer. I used to work next to the medical examiner's office and most of the time the vehicles bringing and taking away the souls were white minivans from the funeral homes.
I don't think those are family attorneys. First, they would not be entitled to any detective rundown on anything of substance. But also, they don't look at and act like estate attorneys. They look like prosecutors.It would either be prosecutors or her personal family attorneys dealing with trust, estate, and will issues, things like that.
I did read that Savannah hired private investigators, whoever, and at this point, not knowing if the kidnapper had a grudge, or anything else, the family must protect themselves, and their own families now. It would be sad if the advice would be for them all to move somewhere else, as they have children in schools, friends, etc. This is affecting the local community, but the family most of all. I just wish they could get this guy and any accomplices. Heart wrenching.Having looked at multiple videos of the activities, black SUVs, suited people, some people wearing baseball caps etc. at Nancy Guthrie’s home today 2/25/26, IMHO this is what happened:
1. The bad news is that the sheriff has exhausted his department’s investigative ability, and they have now released the crime scene
2. The new $1,000,000 rewards have generated new interests, including perhaps large investigative firms. Savannah Guthrie has the means to hire these types of investigative teams
3. The good news is that the new people who came today are (90% sure) Intelligence and Investigation Agents, Executive Protection Agents, and undercover FBI
4. Intelligence and Investigation Agents (IIA) are of the type Private Investigators such as in a marital misconduct or inheritance dispute, but they are employed by large firms with legal, financial, scientific etc. capabilities
5. Usually, IIA travel with Executive Protection Agents (EPA). EPA are not to be confused with bodyguard (special police officer level). Besides protection, EPA do pre-planning of deployment, travel management, crime scene management, risk mitigations, and investigation
6. While local law enforcement may have released the crime scene, usually IIA and undercover FBI agents collaborate. IIA are hired after local law enforcement finished their job but the FBI may continue investigating beyond routine. Hence, they collaborate with private companies. It would not be surprising if some FBI agents not wearing badges were present today
7. I do not know if I may post their website but you may google ASIG American Special Investigative Group as an example of such private firms. ASIG has IIA, EPA, and even specialized professionals called "Missing Person Investigators."
NOW: Pima County adds restrictive parking rules for Nancy Guthrie’s neighborhood starting on Feb. 26th.
“There will be no parking on several streets in the Catalina Foothills Estates neighborhood surrounding the Nancy Guthrie residence…”
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Agree. So, why do you suppose 1 vehicle parked in the garage? Were they planning on taking something out of that vehicle or putting something into that vehicle?I just don't think that the family would leave the gated community they were reported to be staying in and risk being mobbed and/or followed by the media. MOO.
I was just about ready to head over there, to sleuth in person, just kidding!
NOW: Pima County adds restrictive parking rules for Nancy Guthrie’s neighborhood starting on Feb. 26th.
“There will be no parking on several streets in the Catalina Foothills Estates neighborhood surrounding the Nancy Guthrie residence…”
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I think it's more likely this is the end result of neighbours reaching the limits of their patience.Welp that tells you right there that an arrest is not coming anytime soon. Otherwise there would be no need for this release.
Once an arrest is made the media will move on and or atleast focuses their attention elsewhere. And Pima county would know that
bbm Please explain to me how someone can call anonymously with a tip or even the stalker's name and STILL receive a reward? I just don't understand that. How do you find the tipster to reward them if they call in anonymously? mooYeah, seriously. We can talk about statistically likely things, but crazy and improbable stuff happens all the time. Any creep could've fixated on Nancy at any time, for any reason. We still don't know exactly how or why BK ended up fixating on his victims.
I just hope there's some concrete evidence somewhere along the way, or someone ends up talking for the reward. Savannah said people could call the tipline anonymously. There's no reason for someone to stay silent if they suspect who could've done this. Let's hope they're moved to report him.