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I am still convinced that LE is bluffing. I don't know if anyone remembers Richard Ramirez, the "Night Stalker," who terrorized California in the 80s — he was caught in my hometown.

From an article about it (BBM): How a 13-Year-Old Boy Brought Down L.A.'s Most Notorious Serial Killer - LAmag


Wednesday morning, L.A. County Sheriff Sherman Block told reporters that deputies “will be stopping cars in the late night and early morning hours” if the car looked anything like the one James described.

But in fact the killer’s car had already been found. In the pre-dawn hours on Tuesday, the owner of a business in a Rampart-area strip mall called in a car abandoned in his parking lot. It was an Orange Toyota station wagon, and the license plate was a close match the partial number James had reported.

Authorities pretended the car was still undiscovered and staked it out, hoping the killer might return. After nearly a day of fruitless round-the-clock surveillance, the car was hoisted onto a flatbed tow truck and taken in for forensic testing.

That same day the police came by again and asked James to come with them. He was, after all, the only person who could link the killer to the orange Toyota. This time there was no subterfuge; investigators drove him straight to the Orange County Sheriff’s headquarters in Santa Ana. “We go into the garage,” James remembers. “We go to the back, and there was a car.” It was the right color. It had the chrome roof rack. It had a license plate number very similar to the one James jotted down: 482 RTS. “‘That’s the one,’ I told them.”


The same was true in the Jodi Arias/Travis Alexander case. In Shanna Hogan's book on the case, Picture Perfect, the detectives said they'd lied to the public and Travis's friends about Jodi NOT being a suspect because they wanted her to slip up.

LE is counting on the element of surprise, IMHO, and doesn't want NG's kidnapper to know all of the information they've collected. I think that was behind the public leak that they hadn't found great DNA in the house.

JMO...
 
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Also I should add a trust and estate attorney would deal with documents like powers if attorney, so maybe family realized they need to get her documents to deal with her bank accounts, mortgage, etc.
I've seen prosecutors visit a crime scene, to get a better idea of the layout. I can't think of a good reason for a whole dang team of estate lawyers to visit the scene.
 
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I've seen prosecutors visit a crime scene, to get a better idea of the layout. I can't think of a good reason for a whole dang team of estate lawyers to visit the scene.
Prosecution at scene before or after an arrest?
 
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I think they have evidence that she went to bed but I don't know if her blood was found in her bed. PCSD believes she went to bed. Nanos wonders if she got up to go to the restroom or got up to go to the refrigerator.
That makes me think her blood was found somewhere besides in her bed.
AB's source said the blood from inside matched the pattern of blood outside. Passive drops falling from a height.
Now, why would Nanos wonder if she got up to go the the refrigerator? It really makes me wonder if he did say that, why refrigerator? Why not Kitchen? But then he might have been speaking figuratively again, but what a weird thing to say unless he gets up to go to the fridge at night, then it would make sense (total speculation, I have no idea what he does at night). Is the bathroom and fridge in the same direction?

I was just thinking in my own house, the bathroom and the fridge are no where near each other or on the same track, so if I got hurt going to or in either place, it'd be obvious where I was.

 
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💯 Good OL Tucson has a problem, the USA has a PROBLEM, Criminals appear to be getting away with murder. Tucson used to be a fantastic place to live but after THIS, not so sure! If someone like Nancy Guthrie can’t be found , with all of her family’s resources, we are ALL SCREWED! Just sayin’
2002 Charles Russell and Catherine Nelson disappeared in Tucson. Arrest made in Feb, 2026 - after 24 years! 2004 Charles Simmons, well-known Tucson mineral dealer, disappeared. Never found. Tucson's disappearances aren't new crimes.
 
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I'm recovering from surgery, so time is what I have a lot of now! I have been watching LE bodycam videos. Interesting stuff! Today I watched one where a FLOCK cam caught a car with a wanted license plate and was pulled over by LE. The man driving was wanted for kidnapping a woman, but he was alone. He finally gave up the story. He kidnapped her because she saw something she shouldn't have, and he admitted he killed her and dumped her in another state. This scenario has stayed with me all day. jmo
 
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I am still convinced that LE is bluffing. I don't know if anyone remembers Richard Ramirez, the "Night Stalker," who terrorized California in the 80s — he was caught in my hometown.

From an article about it (BBM): How a 13-Year-Old Boy Brought Down L.A.'s Most Notorious Serial Killer - LAmag


Wednesday morning, L.A. County Sheriff Sherman Block told reporters that deputies “will be stopping cars in the late night and early morning hours” if the car looked anything like the one James described.

But in fact the killer’s car had already been found. In the pre-dawn hours on Tuesday, the owner of a business in a Rampart-area strip mall called in a car abandoned in his parking lot. It was an Orange Toyota station wagon, and the license plate was a close match the partial number James had reported.

Authorities pretended the car was still undiscovered and staked it out, hoping the killer might return. After nearly a day of fruitless round-the-clock surveillance, the car was hoisted onto a flatbed tow truck and taken in for forensic testing.

That same day the police came by again and asked James to come with them. He was, after all, the only person who could link the killer to the orange Toyota. This time there was no subterfuge; investigators drove him straight to the Orange County Sheriff’s headquarters in Santa Ana. “We go into the garage,” James remembers. “We go to the back, and there was a car.” It was the right color. It had the chrome roof rack. It had a license plate number very similar to the one James jotted down: 482 RTS. “‘That’s the one,’ I told them.”


The same was true in the Jodi Arias/Travis Alexander case. In Shanna Hogan's book on the case, Picture Perfect, the detectives said they'd lied to the public and Travis's friends about Jodi NOT being a suspect because they wanted her to slip up.

LE is counting on the element of surprise, IMHO, and doesn't want NG's kidnapper to know all of the information they've collected. I think that was behind the public leak that they hadn't found great DNA in the house.

JMO...

I remember the community beating the piss out of him too before the cops took him. Good for them. Lol.
 
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Who is this? Some random FB clown who won't use their real name? I am not clicking that link.
He is a joker with a small following who hang on his every word!
 
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Those look like prosecutors. My guess is that L.E. has gone to the prosecutor's office and requested the filing of charges or applied for some type of search warrant. The prosecutors are undecided, maybe wanting more information, and thought maybe going to scene to look at something or get a better idea of the layout might help inform their decision or bolster their argument. Just a guess. But I can think of no reason that a whole group of some other types of lawyers -- defense attorneys, plaintiff attorneys, estate attorneys, etc. -- would be huddling at the crime scene at this stage.
 
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Kind of makes you wonder if they were just checking to see if a vehicle could be RIGHT THERE and still out of sight of the camera. Well, it makes me think that.
Yes and this is a white vehicle. Imagine a silver or grey, darker type vehicle in the middle of the night. It’s would blend right in and essentially be close to invisible.
 
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A million dollars will not buy certainty. It can, however, buy motion.

'It applies psychological pressure on any accomplices,' Pack said. He described ransom schemes involving multiple people as 'inherently unstable' and suggested the passage of time makes the temptation sharper for the weakest link, because 'the financial disparity between holding out and collecting $1 million starts eating at the weakest link'. Pack framed the reward as a message to anyone on the periphery, 'your partners are not going to protect you. We will. It preserves moral offramps.'

NewsNation’s Brian Entin reports this was something the family wanted to do from the beginning but were discouraged by law enforcement, citing concerns tip hotlines would immediately be flooded with false leads. Now, 1,500 new tips have come in since the reward was announced, the FBI said.
1500 new tips at last count. Makes me wonder about the people are who turning in tips. Friends? Relatives? Neighbors? Co-workers? Guesses are most w/o evidence other than, "Check 'em out for my million."
 
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Now, why would Nanos wonder if she got up to go the the refrigerator? It really makes me wonder if he did say that, why refrigerator? Why not Kitchen? But then he might have been speaking figuratively again, but what a weird thing to say unless he gets up to go to the fridge at night, then it would make sense (total speculation, I have no idea what he does at night). Is the bathroom and fridge in the same direction?

I was just thinking in my own house, the bathroom and the fridge are no where near each other or on the same track, so if I got hurt going to or in either place, it'd be obvious where I was.


"Did she get up and answer the door?" he says. "Did she get up to go to the bathroom? Did she go to get something out of the refrigerator?" - Sheriff Nanos

 
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I don’t know what to make of this since they’ve cleared the family. Is there a tracker on it or something? Are they thinking NG and AG were stalked?? MOO
Often termed "permissible deception," In a lot of cases
 
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Those look like prosecutors. My guess is that L.E. has gone to the prosecutor's office and requested the filing of charges or applied for some type of search warrant. The prosecutors are undecided, maybe wanting more information, and thought maybe going to scene to look at something or get a better idea of the layout might help inform their decision or bolster their argument. Just a guess. But I can think of no reason that a whole group of some other types of lawyers -- defense attorneys, plaintiff attorneys, estate attorneys, etc. -- would be huddling at the crime scene at this stage.
Agree.

Just speculating - but if LE is ready to charge someone and evidence is mainly circumstantial, prosecution meeting with the detective to walk through the theory of what happened makes sense. Walking through LE’s theory of what happened, focus on the areas we’ve seen investigators before (like the bushes in the back), etc.

If there really isn’t any DNA, prosecutors maybe triple checking all the other puzzle pieces fit.

MOO
 
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