Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[kevin1000]

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Some interesting points at Nancy's house. There are 6 points of entry to the inside

Front door, garage, 2 balcony back doors, blue door, patio doors on the side of the house, with a 4ft pony wall

We don't know factually from the sheriff if it was a Forced Entry
So this should have been addressed by the sheriff in the beginning

We know when Nancy was dropped off at home, the garage door opened up at approximately 9:48 p.m. and closed (9:50 p.m.) as the home's smart garage system recorded the activity

But the timeline of Nancy's disappearance doesn't quite fit the puzzle

At 11.56 pm, the family checked on Nancy 12:03 pm, the family called the emergency number 911

Then the sheriff said around 11. am ish.
Well, then that's around 60 minutes

But how did they get in to check on Nancy?

If the family entered through the front door, they would have seen the blood and called 911 straight away

If they said we used the garage to get into Nancy's house

The LE would have that data point at a certain time (the home's smart garage system)

Well then, the LE would be asking what you were doing in there for that amount of time etc.. ?



A search warrant was then issued to impounded AG car as part of the investigation

But you can't impound someone's car without a reason and not give it back; the law does not allow you to do that

Unless it has some evidence-based value

As normally it's 10 days to hold the vehicle, it's now a month in

The vehicle is still of interest to the LE in this case, and a judge has approved the continued holding of that vehicle











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(home's smart garage system recorded the activity) I wasn't sure of this but media did say DATA not witness. It would back up the return of NG. Could this system have been known to the perp and that's why it was not used as an exit? How would he know this I wonder. Knowledge about a garage door can open a new point of entry. You also brought up a question that has been bothering me about who got there first 11:56 and how they got into the house. Was that front door locked when they got there?

 

[Cassie P]

Do we know definitely that the ransom note writers did not provide “proof of life?” Further, do we know definitely that the family did not pay the ransom? I don’t know how we would know this information definitively. LE is not required to tell the general public the truth while an investigation is in process. I think it’s very possible that the ransom was paid, but Miss Nancy was not returned as agreed. When her family then additionally offered the one million dollar reward, they were (are) hoping that someone with knowledge will come forward.
The longer this has gone on, the more I’m feeling very strongly that this was a kidnapping for ransom, and it was committed by, or paid for, by a group or individual. Why they have done this, I have no idea. I just pray for her safety and for the family, as I can’t imagine what they are going through.
My amateur opinion only. I have wondered the same thing. Do we really know about POL, a ransom being paid or not, other communications with the kidnapper. At times SG in her videos seems to be talking in some sort of code, with unusual movie quotes etc.

I have wondered the same. Could a ransom have been paid? And some sort of communication from the kidnapper was received?

In some of the videos, SG seems to be speaking in some sort of code, odd movie quotes from old movies, etc. This is perhaps in response to communication from the kidnapper?

 

[annpats]

The most recent message from SG offered it for her recovery:

"But now, after acknowledging that her mother may be “dancing in heaven,” Savannah said her family is offering up to a million dollars for “any information that leads to her recovery.”

https://www.cnn.com/2026/02/25/us/nancy-guthrie-reward-strategy

Ahh, yes. You're correct. It was the original $50,000 reward offered by LE/FBI that was for information leading to the conviction of the perp.

FBI Reward: Nancy Guthrie | Federal Bureau of Investigation

The FBI is offering a reward of up to $50,000 for information leading to the recovery of Nancy Guthrie and/or the arrest and conviction of anyone involved in her disappearance.

www.fbi.gov

 

[SpideySense]

https://www.vulture.com/article/nancy-guthrie-kidnapper-suspect-fbi-profile.html

FBI retired from Behavioral Analysis Unit gives her take on what kind of person would kidnap an 84-year old woman.

IMO it is insightful.

I posted the same article about 40 minutes before you - we must have stumbled on it at the same time even though it’s been around for a few days. Mary Ellen O’Toole is a great profiler and her insights in the article seem spot on to me.

 

[wibbleflea]

Yes I have been reading about the double mask idea. This would explain why this guy was so nonchalant about being seen on camera? He knew he could not be recognized with two masks on?

I cannot picture how he could hold a bite lite in his mouth with two masks on, especially when the first one completely covers the mouth. I agree that it looks like this could be the case, but is the light small enough to be held almost entirely in his mouth? I was thinking something like a pen light, but maybe a bite light is smaller?

The dedicated bite lights I’ve seen (like the Illumibite) would stick out of the mouth too far, I think. My guess would be a tiny, LED light designed to clip to your keyring. I had one in the early 2000s and it was great for unlocking car doors in the dark. Tiny, would fit in a mouth, and the on-off switch was on the larger, upper surface, so you could potentially operate it with your teeth and not have it stick out. The thin face mask would cover the mouth and flashlight. The flashlight would shine through the mask.

The ski mask has a cutout for the mouth so what we’re seeing (in this theory) is the thin face mask when the flashlight is off, covering the perp’s mouth and the flashlight.

Remove the keyring from the smallest devices on the page below (the leftmost-but-one of the first photo, for example) and I think you’d have a usable solution.

Tested: The Best Keychain Flashlights For Everyday Carry

Small-scale, big brightness.

hiconsumption.com

@warp3dwing posted an example of the kind of mask that might work. I don’t know about IR characteristics, but you wouldn’t see much of it under the ski mask – just the mouth (completely concealing the wearer’s own mouth) and something around the eyes.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

(home's smart garage system recorded the activity) I wasn't sure of this but media did say DATA not witness. It would back up the return of NG. Could this system have been known to the perp and that's why it was not used as an exit? How would he know this I wonder. Knowledge about a garage door can open a new point of entry. You also brought up a question that has been bothering me about who got there first 11:56 and how they got into the house. Was that front door locked when they got there?

As we don't know from the sheriff whether it was a forced entry

That could have been disclosed, but hasn't

But then you would have to wonder how they got in?

Did they have the same app on their phone?

Remember, Nancy's phone was still found inside

Data from the home's smart garage system
Will show if they entered through the garage doors

In this area, the sheriff has not been clear: "Keeping things close to the chest."

 

[TristanP]

I just can't understand why AG's car would still be part of the investigation after all this time.

It may have been used to transport NG home but it should have been cleared since whoever dropped NG off and the time was much earlier, as far as we know from the time she actually disappeared.

Drop off was evening hours and it seems nothing criminal transpired till the early morning hours.

Surely by now they know where that vehicle was driven and when it was returned home and by who, why the heck would they continue to hold it once they had that information? Which should have been proven within days if not hrs.

To me it makes no sense, they should have been able to tell very quickly whether or not that vehicle held any evidentiary value. Add that to the fact that they also apparently have NG vehicle it makes you wonder why those two vehicles would hold any significance whatsoever. They should have been processed and released extremely quickly if alibi's checked out etc. Such a weird case.

Something is rotten in Denmark

They may be waiting for data evidence from the manufacturer. Newer cars have apps and all kinds of things that get recorded. They may have done a local download of the info from the vehicle, but needed a subpoena to get the info from the manufacturer, and the manufacturer may be taking their time returning it.

 

[Ghostwheel]

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Some interesting points at Nancy's house. There are 6 points of entry to the inside

Front door, garage, 2 balcony back doors, blue door, patio doors on the side of the house, with a 4ft pony wall

We don't know factually from the sheriff if it was a Forced Entry
So this should have been addressed by the sheriff in the beginning

We know when Nancy was dropped off at home, the garage door opened up at approximately 9:48 p.m. and closed (9:50 p.m.) as the home's smart garage system recorded the activity

But the timeline of Nancy's disappearance doesn't quite fit the puzzle

At 11.56 pm, the family checked on Nancy 12:03 pm, the family called the emergency number 911

Then the sheriff said around 11. am ish.
Well, then that's around 60 minutes

But how did they get in to check on Nancy?

If the family entered through the front door, they would have seen the blood and called 911 straight away

If they said we used the garage to get into Nancy's house

The LE would have that data point at a certain time (the home's smart garage system)

Well then, the LE would be asking what you were doing in there for that amount of time etc.. ?



A search warrant was then issued to impounded AG car as part of the investigation

But you can't impound someone's car without a reason and not give it back; the law does not allow you to do that

Unless it has some evidence-based value

As normally it's 10 days to hold the vehicle, it's now a month in

The vehicle is still of interest to the LE in this case, and a judge has approved the continued holding of that vehicle











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This is a great post. I do have a few question maybe you can help with.

1. I see you are not including windows as points of entry, so assuming only interested in how the family got in, not how a suspect might have gotten in, correct?
2. Are we sure that AG's car was impounded as opposed to just offered? It seems, and I could be wrong, that if LE asks someone if they can look at the car and the owner says sure and doesn't ask for it back, it could still be part of the investigation, but not impounded (a legal seizure). I know it's a thing with non vehicles (voluntarily turn over your phone, then sometimes have to petition to get it back), but not familiar with vehicles. Also, would that affect chain of custody if anything were found? (I wouldn't think so, but have no idea)

I also wonder if they went in the front door if they even noticed the blood (concerned about getting in the door and not looking down), or if it might be something that would not be unusual (For me, blood in various places would not be unusual, including out the front door.) Or if they did see the blood, would the first thing you do be call the police, or look for your mother? Like check every room, the back yard, the pool, the Casita and if they didn't come in the garage, then check the garage. And the entire surroundings. To know if you need the police or an ambulance? I was thinking, who would expect their mother to be MISSING or kidnapped? Hurt, sure, but where, so you'd look over the entire property and maybe ask the neighbors? I can see that taking a little while to do. 11 am ish, could be anything from 11 am to 11:15 in my book, so a half hour to 45 minutes to make sure she cannot be found ANYWHERE. It does still sound like a long time, but I could see it if they wanted to be sure she hadn't just hurt herself and wandered off and fell and could not get up. That is a pretty good size property, imo. Sorry, that was just thinking out loud....

 

[LRinCA]

With everything that has been theorized, I can't help but go back to the actual scene of the crime. We have no idea about the inside or back of the house. They are keeping that under wraps. But I cannot get over the fact that they basically left the front "as is." They did not take the front doormat for further testing of fibers or blood stains. Perhaps they got all that they needed from just doing something there, but that just doesn't make sense to me. Also, let's not forget, as far as we know, in the beginning they did not have any video of the perp on the front porch, so they would have no idea about why there was Lantana all over the porch. There was blood, so why was not every piece of Lantana picked up and brought into evidence for testing, again for fibers or any DNA that the perp might have left behind, because again, no video means they didn't know he was wearing gloves. Everything should have been removed and brought in for testing, including the Nest bracket, which they originally took, but it was many days later. The actual doorbell is another, they don't know that it was touched.


Again, they might have the most outstanding forensics team in the world, I am just a guy observing from the outside. Perhaps all of that stuff was tested thoroughly, but wouldn't they want to present any of that for evidence later if there was a trial? My last thing that boggles my mind is that it appears that the whole driveway is not really paved, but consists of dirt and maybe rock. I have heard nothing of any testing for tire marks or anything. The whole crime scene is bizarre. BE just walked up filming the blood stains. Pizza delivery guy just walks right up. Elderly care just steps into the blood scene and leaves a card. I have kind of posted all of this before but it just doesn't seem right. I am NOT questioning or bashing LE, it just doesn't make sense to ME.

I think the driveway is decomposed granite, which is often used in desert environments. A quick Google search shows that it does show tire marks. We used it as a pathway in a cactus garden and it definitely is somewhat loose and would show wheelbarrow tire marks, etc.

 

[K9Enzo]

BE is excellent as usual.
Agree with the guest he had on--ex FBI/CIA agent.
She didn't think it was a burglary gone wrong and also didn't feel the ransom notes were connected to the abduction.
She seems to believe the motive is revenge or some sort or a stalker.
She believes case will be solved.

Thought BE had an interesting tidbit during the Q&A segment at the 27:00 minute mark.
He revealed that AG and TC had "new security cameras" installed on their house.

Which leads me to ponder that I don't think there has been any mention during this entire case of them having security cameras and LE checking them to both verify timelines and sightings of NG coming and going on 1/31/26. That always struck me as odd.
I'm going to assume they had none at all???

Thank you for posting BE’s new video.

It’s possible if new cameras are being installed at AG/TC’s home it’s because LE took into evidence the ones they had. The new ones could be a replacement. Or, they are understandably concerned with everything going on and thought it wise to upgrade or install them.

We know AG’s car is still in evidence and I do not believe that’s to counter a future defense in court to show LE seriously investigated the family , or paper work to release it is moving slowly.

Regardless of what Sheriff Nanos says about blanket clearing the family, this case is not solved. I cannot ignore all the activity at AG’s home and neighborhood, their car still being in evidence on day 28 and of course the eerie nighttime camera flashes.

I’ll mostly move on because the Sheriff could be saying it with absolute certainty, and they are truly not connected at all, but will respectfully bookmark this chapter in the story. IMO

Police search Annie Guthrie's home as flashes seen inside and 'silver briefcase' revealed:

MSN

 

[wibbleflea]

We know AG’s car is still in evidence and I do not believe that’s to counter a future defense in court to show LE seriously investigated the family , or paper work to release it is moving slowly.

LD’s car is also still held. NG’s own car appears to be, too – it’s not back in the garage. Last we heard from his lawyer (here), CP’s phone was still being held.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

This is a great post. I do have a few question maybe you can help with.

1. I see you are not including windows as points of entry, so assuming only interested in how the family got in, not how a suspect might have gotten in, correct?
2. Are we sure that AG's car was impounded as opposed to just offered? It seems, and I could be wrong, that if LE asks someone if they can look at the car and the owner says sure and doesn't ask for it back, it could still be part of the investigation, but not impounded (a legal seizure). I know it's a thing with non vehicles (voluntarily turn over your phone, then sometimes have to petition to get it back), but not familiar with vehicles. Also, would that affect chain of custody if anything were found? (I wouldn't think so, but have no idea)

I also wonder if they went in the front door if they even noticed the blood (concerned about getting in the door and not looking down), or if it might be something that would not be unusual (For me, blood in various places would not be unusual, including out the front door.) Or if they did see the blood, would the first thing you do be call the police, or look for your mother? Like check every room, the back yard, the pool, the Casita and if they didn't come in the garage, then check the garage. And the entire surroundings. To know if you need the police or an ambulance? I was thinking, who would expect their mother to be MISSING or kidnapped? Hurt, sure, but where, so you'd look over the entire property and maybe ask the neighbors? I can see that taking a little while to do. 11 am ish, could be anything from 11 am to 11:15 in my book, so a half hour to 45 minutes to make sure she cannot be found ANYWHERE. It does still sound like a long time, but I could see it if they wanted to be sure she hadn't just hurt herself and wandered off and fell and could not get up. That is a pretty good size property, imo. Sorry, that was just thinking out loud....

It's certainly a very interesting case, a sad case

The sheriff won't mention whether it was a forced entry.

We don't know if the offender/s have forced a window open/ door etc

But with so much news footage, there don't seem to be doors or windows broken, looking forced

The time frame is important, and the sheriff has kept that under his hat

We know the times the night before, with Nancy being dropped back home at

at approximately 9.48pm
And her garage door opened and closed at 9:50 p.m..
But if we fast forward to the morning, the question is, how did they get into the house?
But the sheriff then says, 'We're not talking about that.

That is the bit of the puzzle the public wants to know

The timeline doesn't exist, first of all, he said it was around 11 am, then around 11.56.

Then, a couple of minutes later, the 911 call came in

So we still don't know for sure how they got in

The LE executed a search warrant for the home and the car


*Police executed a search warrant at the Catalina residence of AG and her husband, TC

The search lasted for several hours, with investigators photographed entering and leaving the property.

According to a NewsNation journalist on the scene, police were seen photographing inside rooms.

Local reporters also stated that investigators examined the property’s septic tank.

This marks the second police action at the home; on Saturday,

authorities impounded the couple’s car and removed security cameras.

Nancy Guthrie Search: Is Annie Guthrie Under the Radar? Investigators Scour Daughter's Home, Examine Septic Tank in New Raid; No Arrests Yet

Latest Updates on Nancy Guthrie Case: Police searched Annie Guthrie's home for hours in the Nancy Guthrie missing persons case, examining the septic tank. No arrests made. Latest on the investigation.

sundayguardianlive.com

 

[SpideySense]

The dedicated bite lights I’ve seen (like the Illumibite) would stick out of the mouth too far, I think. My guess would be a tiny, LED light designed to clip to your keyring. I had one in the early 2000s and it was great for unlocking car doors in the dark. Tiny, would fit in a mouth, and the on-off switch was on the larger, upper surface, so you could potentially operate it with your teeth and not have it stick out. The thin face mask would cover the mouth and flashlight. The flashlight would shine through the mask.

The ski mask has a cutout for the mouth so what we’re seeing (in this theory) is the thin face mask when the flashlight is off, covering the perp’s mouth and the flashlight.

Remove the keyring from the smallest devices on the page below (the leftmost-but-one of the first photo, for example) and I think you’d have a usable solution.

Tested: The Best Keychain Flashlights For Everyday Carry

Small-scale, big brightness.

hiconsumption.com

@warp3dwing posted an example of the kind of mask that might work. I don’t know about IR characteristics, but you wouldn’t see much of it under the ski mask – just the mouth (completely concealing the wearer’s own mouth) and something around the eyes.

It’s got to be a tiny light. Here are the frames from 0:04-0:05 in the 0:14s video from FBI’s X post (linked) when the light momentarily turns off. It seems like it’s actually emanating from the dark patch below his “lips” rather than from between them. Very weird.

https://twitter.com/x/status/2021285842044494279

 

[wibbleflea]

It’s got to be a tiny light. Here are the frames from 0:04-0:05 in the 0:14s video from FBI’s X post (linked) when the light momentarily turns off. It seems like it’s actually emanating from the dark patch below his “lips” rather than from between them. Very weird.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/2021285842044494279

That might work if the thin face mask’s mouth wasn’t quite aligned with the perp’s mouth. All speculative.

 

[katydid23]

A Kia Soul is not the vehicle I'd associate with an abduction, possible kidnapping or murder.

I have a Kia Soul myself. I feel pretty invisible driving around.

Have they figured out the correct colour of the Kia Soul in question? It's hard to tell accurately in dark video footage sometimes.

Mine is silver and I will stay clear of the Tucson area, just in case.

 

[katydid23]

I don't think the blood was staged, unless the whole thing was staged and Nancy never made it home. The FBI agent on AshBan's P-Cast last night said she doesn't believe that the drop off in the garage could happen with the timer showing they were in and out in 2 minutes.

it's all so HINKYFIED! mOO

"...unless the whole thing was staged and Nancy never made it home..."


OOOHHH, wow ....that's an interesting thought. Would explain how calm and collected the 'front porch' guy acted.

 

[CrimeDawg123]

I have a Kia Soul myself. I feel pretty invisible driving around.

Have they figured out the correct colour of the Kias Soul in question? It's hard to tell accurately in dark video footage sometimes.

Mine is silver and I will stay clear of the Tucson area, just in case.

Good call! BTW how is it for transporting abductees and/or fleeing to Mexico?

 

[katydid23]

Some time back, experts have said it's not 'splatter' but drops, as in a nosebleed for example. No clue what the difference would mean, as when I have a gusher nosebleed, there are drops, but also plenty of tiny spray/splatter. Ugh.

The way I understand it, a nosebleed creates splatter, not spray, because the blood is just dripping down--not spraying ...

Blood 'sprays' when someone is cut and the blood is spurting out because of heart pumping etc----different than just blood dripping AFTER the cut happens.

Do I have that right? IDK

 

[submarine7]

LD’s car is also still held. NG’s own car appears to be, too – it’s not back in the garage. Last we heard from his lawyer (here), CP’s phone was still being held.

It's wild that LE still have the car of a convicted felon still living at home at almost 40 and so many people ignore that but keep accusing a family member without a criminal history who seems to have gotten on well with NG.

 

[Ghostwheel]

It’s got to be a tiny light. Here are the frames from 0:04-0:05 in the 0:14s video from FBI’s X post (linked) when the light momentarily turns off. It seems like it’s actually emanating from the dark patch below his “lips” rather than from between them. Very weird.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/2021285842044494279

How about this

Amazon.com

But seriously something like this might work

Amazon.com