Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

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Help me out. I'm dazed and confused. Maybe a little obtuse too.

AB said they were searching a "neighboring" county of Pima. She also later said 1 county away.
Arivaca AZ according to the maps is in Pima county.
What am I missing?

Well, Pima County is bordered by 6 Arizona counties: Cochise, Graham, Maricopa, Pinal, Santa Cruz, and Yuma. So AB could have been talking about any of those.

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[OldPueblo]

Thanks. I didn't realize there wasn't a shorter, more direct route.

closer as the crow flies than by road, i think.

 

[fridaybaker]

Since AB also indicated that nothing came out of the search, I can provide the info of where they were searching. Here is how I found it.

I checked all neighboring counties for there SAR/PD helicopters. Santa Cruz (South), Cochise(East),Graham(NE),Pinal (N)and Maricopa(NW) of Pina County. Santa Cruz’s and Graham do not own Helios and depend on the other counties for assistance, when needed. So Cochise, Pinal and Maricopa were left.

I found the tail numbers of the Helis and checked their flight profiles for yesterday. Pinal County flew their heli yesterday during 2 legs. They left from Coolidge Muhnicipal to ARIVACA AZ, stayed for app 2hrs and returned via half arch around Tucson, then following I10 a few miles east and landing back in CM.

ARIVACA is app 11 miles N of the MEXICAN border. Flight coordinates for ARIVACA N31.6295 W111.4972

I thought you like to know..

-Nin

I'm not understanding. Couldn't Santa Cruz or Graham used another county's chopper for the search?

 

[submarine7]

I'm not understanding. Couldn't Santa Cruz or Graham used another county's chopper for the search?

They were using the signal sniffer.

 

[kevin1000]

The camera is gone in the photos I've seen. Of course, we don't know if the perpetrator took it or if LE removed it to analyze. JMO etc.

The alarming reason footage of Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance can’t be recovered despite security cameras

The 84-year-old was reported missing on Sunday afternoon after she didn’t attend church.

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[fridaybaker]

I’m sitting my hands.

But, apparently, they found nothing. ?

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Yes, the Pinal County heli did go to the Saguaro National Park on Sunday but stayed around TANQUE VERDE, which is still in Pima county. They flew there from Coolidge with direct heading to TANQUE VERDE. Pima county could have done that themselves. The only 2 legs, that would fit another agency, county as AB mentions, to be involved are those two legs. One flying from Coolidge (very close to MM230 by the way!!) to ARIVACA, which again is app 11 miles N of the Mexican border. They STAYED for app 2 hrs in that area before flying back (2nd leg) SE around Tucson (TANQUE VERDE) and traversing the PIMA COUNTY/PINAL COUNTY corridor back to Coolidge Municipal.

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-Nin

Since AB also indicated that nothing came out of the search, I can provide the info of where they were searching. Here is how I found it.

I checked all neighboring counties for there SAR/PD helicopters. Santa Cruz (South), Cochise(East),Graham(NE),Pinal (N)and Maricopa(NW) of Pina County. Santa Cruz’s and Graham do not own Helios and depend on the other counties for assistance, when needed. So Cochise, Pinal and Maricopa were left.

I found the tail numbers of the Helis and checked their flight profiles for yesterday. Pinal County flew their heli yesterday during 2 legs. They left from Coolidge Muhnicipal to ARIVACA AZ, stayed for app 2hrs and returned via half arch around Tucson, then following I10 a few miles east and landing back in CM.

ARIVACA is app 11 miles N of the MEXICAN border. Flight coordinates for ARIVACA N31.6295 W111.4972

I thought you like to know..

-Nin

Brilliant. Thanks for figuring which helicopters were flying where in their search. Interesting.

 

[TIGER0822]

But, apparently, they found nothing. ?

Why?

 

[danablue1]

What 1:47 a.m. "camera time"?

"Sunday morning, early morning at 1:47 a.m. the doorbell camera disconnects." - Sheriff Nanos 02/05/26

"At 2:12 a.m. software detects a person on camera." - Sheriff Nanos 02/05/26
(Nanos said it's possible that it could be an animal but he wasn't sure because they didn't have the video. This was five days before the FBI recovered the door nest cam video.)

"2:28 a.m. Nancy's pacemaker app shows that it was a disconnect from the phone." - Sheriff Nanos 02/05/26

Nanos didn't say that Nancy's pacemaker shows that it was a disconnect from the phone he said her "pacemaker app" shows a disconnect.

the 2:12 could have been from a different camera one of the high ones in the back that couldn't be reached. All we know is it was an outdoor camera

 

[shonyakay]

The camera is gone in the photos I've seen. Of course, we don't know if the perpetrator took it or if LE removed it to analyze. JMO etc.

The alarming reason footage of Nancy Guthrie’s disappearance can’t be recovered despite security cameras

The 84-year-old was reported missing on Sunday afternoon after she didn’t attend church.

pagesix.com

Sheriff Nanos said LE does not have that door camera.

 

[fridaybaker]

They were using the signal sniffer.

Okay. I'm still not understanding. The OP seemed to narrow down the possible choppers being used for the sniffer to only those counties who had their own choppers. Couldn't a county who didn't have their own borrow another county's chopper to use with the sniffer?

Please excuse me and just move on if I'm being slow! Sometimes, it's been a long day, even when it's early in the day...

 

[vereb]

We also don't know for sure that they used a chopper. They could've used a drone, or even car/ATV/on foot, depending on the size and terrain of the area that was indicated.

 

[fridaybaker]

Why?

Not sure I understand, but I think you're asking about my question mark. Upthread, posters were implying that the location that was searched with the sniffer was close to the original SWAT operation. If they didn't find anything, though, does it still indicate anything about that original SWAT location?

To answer my own question, perhaps it does, even if they didn't find anything, in that they would have had some evidence leading them to the location they "sniffed". I don't know. They've needed some sort of evidence for two search warrants, and none of that seemed to pan out, or at least so far. Hmmm.

 

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Sheriff Nanos stated the doorbell camera has not been located.

Nancy Guthrie investigation: What we know about the search

“TODAY” co-anchor Savannah Guthrie’s mother was reported missing Feb. 1 when she didn't show up to watch an online church service at a friend's house.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Bluewing3102]

Okay. I'm still not understanding. The OP seemed to narrow down the possible choppers being used for the sniffer to only those counties who had their own choppers. Couldn't a county who didn't have their own borrow another county's chopper to use with the sniffer?

Please excuse me and just move on if I'm being slow! Sometimes, it's been a long day, even when it's early in the day...

If a county doesnt have an air department they don't "borrow" another county's helicopter literally, because they don't have pilots trained to fly.

In terms of using nearby departments resources:

Airspace is controlled by FAA so jurisdiction between counties is less of a factor. It's more so they'd give the sniffer to a different county so it's easier logistically for the helicopter to refuel and return to a nearby airport. So it would be more of a courtesy like this- "Hey county X, FYI we are going to search a location in your county at the request of FBI/PCSD. If we find anything would you be able to assist us on the ground"

 

[Jade]

Except Nanos says "hundreds of thousands of vehicles that were out driving that time of day." That made me facepalm as well. In a city of about 545,000 people, hundreds of thousands are out driving in the area at 2 a.m. on a Sunday?

I assume they are looking at it from several time frames since the Sheriff doesn’t specify.

The vehicle seems to be leaving.

Don’t they want to look to see if they could tell when it arrived? Or if it circled. Or if it hangs around a certain area?

Since its been several weeks I guess that the traffic viewing is ongoing and includes high traffic state roads and freeways, pass through traffic, event attendees coming and going, etc. not just residents.



“We’re looking at that vehicle as well as hundreds of thousands of other vehicles that were out driving that time of day,” Nanos said.

Sheriff on Nancy Guthrie Case Gives Update, Says Investigators are ‘Definitely Closer’


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[shonyakay]

the 2:12 could have been from a different camera one of the high ones in the back that couldn't be reached. All we know is it was an outdoor camera

But we know that the door nest camera recorded a person "Lantana man" at Nancy's door. We also know that the software detected someone/something on camera at 2:12 a.m.

What time do you believe that the door camera footage was recorded if not at 2:12 a.m.? 1:47 a.m.? If so, why didn't the software detect someone on video at that time?

Harvey Levin said LE verified to him that the footage of the man at Nancy's door was from 2:12 a.m.

Based on all of the above, logical deduction leads me to believe that the man at Nancy's door was recorded at 2:12 a.m.

 

[submarine7]

Not sure I understand, but I think you're asking about my question mark. Upthread, posters were implying that the location that was searched with the sniffer was close to the original SWAT operation. If they didn't find anything, though, does it still indicate anything about that original SWAT location?

To answer my own question, perhaps it does, even if they didn't find anything, in that they would have had some evidence leading them to the location they "sniffed". I don't know. They've needed some sort of evidence for two search warrants, and none of that seemed to pan out, or at least so far. Hmmm.

They must have a phone of interest that was in this remote area for some time. That means a poi. Isn't there a saying, " there are no coincidences in homicide?" So many coincidences in this case.

None of us know if there's a connection to any warrants. Or, I don't but maybe others do?

 

[wibbleflea]

If entry was through the property’s back door, most of the time spent inside, including the subduing of NG, happened well before the video footage.

Remove camera around 2:12 am, leave straight afterwards with NG, with blood spatter on the porch tiles showing the route out. That’s the sequence I’ve assumed ever since Levin said FBI agents told him the video footage was from 2:12 am. The moon shadow analyses posted here previously seem to back that up.

One question, though probably not an important one.

The perp could clearly open the front door from the inside in order to leave with NG, creating the droplets in the process. So if he was inside already and could open that door, why walk around the outside of the house again to remove the camera? The same thing applies if the person we see was part of a team. They were already inside, and later left through the front door. Why walk around the house?

Why didn’t he open the front door to remove the camera, which was mounted right next to the entrance?

He could even have used something from the house to help force the camera from its mount. He would mostly have avoided being on camera, though not entirely. (We’d have seen his gloved hand and his arm – the camera’s angle of view was so wide that we see the front door handle in the lower right of the footage.)

The likely walk around the house and the use of the lantana are probably indicators of something. I just don’t know what.

Did he worry that there was an alarm or sensor on that door, and want to delay opening it for as long as possible? Did he need to get something from his vehicle before removing the camera? Did he worry that the camera would record audio of NG if the front door were open? Were lights on inside, which would have switched the camera away from night mode when the door was opened?

 

[Jade]

Except Nanos says "hundreds of thousands of vehicles that were out driving that time of day." That made me facepalm as well. In a city of about 545,000 people, hundreds of thousands are out driving in the area at 2 a.m. on a Sunday?

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