Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[EJB123456]

He sure was layered up! He looked chunky or bulky with all his layers of sweaters/jacket when he was sitting, and I was surprised seeing his lower body look slim when walking in.
MOO

I didn’t necessarily get any of the vibes that people here got from that video, but if there is one thing I thought was weird, it was his outfit. It was very warm in Tucson that day. Depending on location of interview and time of day, the high was between 88 and 90. A vest? Wtf.

 

[maskedwoman]

None of us know who is guilty. I think it's naive to make any judgements about LD based on his interview. JMO he cannot be trusted. We'll see what happens. I don't believe he's PG.

Agreed about not jumping to conclusions about LD. He could be totally innocent. On the other hand, BTK went to church and had a family. Some people are absolutely who they present themselves to be and others are very good about living behind a mask. I have not watched this interview but I would not judge someone's character either way based on how he answers questions in one interview with Mama sitting right next to him.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

So this makes me think items were taken from the house. ..

Since NG was surely taken in a car at the point in the driveway that the front walkway leads to, I would be surprised if any jewelry was dropped by the perp(s) or NG in the easement by the street. JMO

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I didn’t necessarily get any of the vibes that people here got from that video, but if there is one thing I thought was weird, it was his outfit. It was very warm in Tucson that day. Depending on location of interview and time of day, the high was between 88 and 90. A vest? Wtf.

Maybe covering up tattoos? JMO

 

[MCB1151]

What else could your dog have detected at the NG crime scene? Or do you focus on body recovery? I know that dogs have more accurate assessment skills than some modern science techniques. Do you know if dogs were brought into the NG home and property?

I'm not sure if K9s were brought in IMMEDIATELY but there was at least one (TMZ - Border Patrol K9) brought in by border patrol after ransom note #1 was received. Their dogs are often cross trained in multiple different "fields" of scent detection.

My girl specifically is trained for live tracking, so the sooner she can get on a scent the better. K9s trained for search and rescue not only work on the trail, they also can find objects with the scent on it which often helps confirm you are getting somewhere. My girl doesn't focus heavily/too long on "dropped" items so you've got a real quick window with her to note it and flag someone to get to it. The science of scent is incredibly fascinating (to me at least) but based on wind patterns and where a scent can "pool" (settling into crevices/dips/brushy areas/etc) you can get an idea of the direction often. If the wind is insane it complicates things. Other weather can enhance/lessen the scent. Thanks to where we live, my girl has trained in crawfish ponds and a foot or two of water, so it can really depend on the surfaces the dog has trained on, as well as the age of the track. Sooner a dog hits the ground running, the better obviously.

My 2nd K9 is training for HRD (Human Remains Detection). He's an idiot mutt and is insanely high energy which is what you want in a dog to cut loose to make a body recovery. These dogs often work a specifically outlined area and they usually run the perimeter and slowly circle in to "clear" an area. These k9s aren't looking for anything but the scent of HUMAN decomposition. Not dead animals, not rotting food, human decomposition only. I have seen dogs in boats locate bodies under water from the gases that come up out of the water, I've watched a Malinois damn near climb a tree to get to training remains located 12-15 feet up off the ground in the tree branches.

Like I mentioned above, before I started rambling about k9s (SORRRRRYYYY Y'ALL) a lot of military and LE handled dogs are cross trained. Our organization chooses not to cross train because we've found that our bloodhounds actually get pretty depressed for several days after making a body recovery. German shepherds, Malinois, Dutch Shepards don't get bothered as much because they are motivated by a different reward, which is why you see more of these dogs in military & LE. Less dogs to house/feed/train. But a bloodhound will always be the superior tracker

To go back to the point of NG's case, not only could/would tracking dogs have tracked for NG, they also could pick up a scent off anything a perp dropped/touched/walked through. As long as they've got a starting scent, dogs will go. It's on the handler to decipher their signals. My girl gets really upset when she loses the scent (ex: scent took off in a car) and it's obvious she's lost it. She also does a "proximity alert" when she is right on top of an abundance of scent and she can't quite pinpoint where she wants to go because the scent is so strong and overwhelming. I've watched her look at her "find" straight on but she waits on her nose to confirm the person she is staring at is the one she's looking for. Just because my k9 isn't trained for HRD doesn't mean she doesn't sometimes make a recovery and not a "rescue". You just never know.

At this point with NG if we see dogs again I would expect to see them in a very specific location that is NOT NGs home. Whether they would be looking for suspects, a body (eek), or evidence, at this point they wouldn't be combing through anywhere other than a place they had good reason to believe one of those things would be & it would look pretty different than what an initial k9 search/track would look like.

I am so so sorry this got so long. I've either had too much coffee, not enough sleep, not enough adderall or not enough coffee. Only time will tell.

 

[VeronicaVaughn]

I'm not sure if K9s were brought in IMMEDIATELY but there was at least one (TMZ - Border Patrol K9) brought in by border patrol after ransom note #1 was received. Their dogs are often cross trained in multiple different "fields" of scent detection.

My girl specifically is trained for live tracking, so the sooner she can get on a scent the better. K9s trained for search and rescue not only work on the trail, they also can find objects with the scent on it which often helps confirm you are getting somewhere. My girl doesn't focus heavily/too long on "dropped" items so you've got a real quick window with her to note it and flag someone to get to it. The science of scent is incredibly fascinating (to me at least) but based on wind patterns and where a scent can "pool" (settling into crevices/dips/brushy areas/etc) you can get an idea of the direction often. If the wind is insane it complicates things. Other weather can enhance/lessen the scent. Thanks to where we live, my girl has trained in crawfish ponds and a foot or two of water, so it can really depend on the surfaces the dog has trained on, as well as the age of the track. Sooner a dog hits the ground running, the better obviously.

My 2nd K9 is training for HRD (Human Remains Detection). He's an idiot mutt and is insanely high energy which is what you want in a dog to cut loose to make a body recovery. These dogs often work a specifically outlined area and they usually run the perimeter and slowly circle in to "clear" an area. These k9s aren't looking for anything but the scent of HUMAN decomposition. Not dead animals, not rotting food, human decomposition only. I have seen dogs in boats locate bodies under water from the gases that come up out of the water, I've watched a Malinois damn near climb a tree to get to training remains located 12-15 feet up off the ground in the tree branches.

Like I mentioned above, before I started rambling about k9s (SORRRRRYYYY Y'ALL) a lot of military and LE handled dogs are cross trained. Our organization chooses not to cross train because we've found that our bloodhounds actually get pretty depressed for several days after making a body recovery. German shepherds, Malinois, Dutch Shepards don't get bothered as much because they are motivated by a different reward, which is why you see more of these dogs in military & LE. Less dogs to house/feed/train. But a bloodhound will always be the superior tracker

To go back to the point of NG's case, not only could/would tracking dogs have tracked for NG, they also could pick up a scent off anything a perp dropped/touched/walked through. As long as they've got a starting scent, dogs will go. It's on the handler to decipher their signals. My girl gets really upset when she loses the scent (ex: scent took off in a car) and it's obvious she's lost it. She also does a "proximity alert" when she is right on top of an abundance of scent and she can't quite pinpoint where she wants to go because the scent is so strong and overwhelming. I've watched her look at her "find" straight on but she waits on her nose to confirm the person she is staring at is the one she's looking for. Just because my k9 isn't trained for HRD doesn't mean she doesn't sometimes make a recovery and not a "rescue". You just never know.

At this point with NG if we see dogs again I would expect to see them in a very specific location that is NOT NGs home. Whether they would be looking for suspects, a body (eek), or evidence, at this point they wouldn't be combing through anywhere other than a place they had good reason to believe one of those things would be & it would look pretty different than what an initial k9 search/track would look like.

I am so so sorry this got so long. I've either had too much coffee, not enough sleep, not enough adderall or not enough coffee. Only time will tell.

I found this to be really insightful and interesting! Thank you for the work that you do.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

Agreed about not jumping to conclusions about LD. He could be totally innocent. On the other hand, BTK went to church and had a family. Some people are absolutely who they present themselves to be and others are very good about living behind a mask. I have not watched this interview but I would not judge someone's character either way based on how he answers questions in one interview with Mama sitting right next to him.

Not only did BTK go to church and have a family, he was the president of his congregation. He looked and acted like a good guy.

Two interesting things that might relate to this case.

1. Sometimes violent criminals keep souvenirs from their horrific crimes. BTK did. It would be great if this guy did and that item(s) was found in a search.

2. I think BTK--and I think the perp of this crime--really enjoy the media attention. BTK even sent letters to LE and the media. While we don't know if the perpetrator is connected with the ransom letters, if they are the same guy, it suggests a need for media attention and desire for fame to send ransom notes to the media.

JMO

 

[cherryleaf]

Which is what I believe should happen during an ongoing investigation, even though we want to know the details. Yes, we WSers can sit at our keyboards and opine until the cows come home, but this is real life, with a real victim and a real family. We do not have the right to know all of the details for a reason.

I just hope the person(s) responsible are arrested and face the harshest of punishments sooner rather than later. Nobody deserves the horrific way in which Nancy was treated, especially an 84 year old woman, minding her business just living her best rest of days out.

JMO

This is true and it’s one of the reasons I really think they have a good idea of what the perp looks like beyond their public description. I think they have it pretty narrowed down. They don’t have Nancy so they MUST keep all evidence close. I know I go back to patterns of similarity that I noticed in the raids. Similar vehicles, similar living arrangements, etc. look at the similarities between CP and LD appearance. Both also have similar hairstyles, where the sides are shaved and there’s hair on top. Both also have a certain style of facial hair. I mentioned yesterday that LD was clean shaven. They why’s of that are debatable. He had facial hair when he was detained at Culver’s. I’m just simply pointing out that the both of them also share very similar physical characteristics.

Similar colored vehicles
Similar living situations
Similar haircuts
Similar facial hair and features
What appears to be same eye color and hair color and similar skin tone
Similar body type/shape

https://twitter.com/x/status/2028934283520602302

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022673984480038997

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I'm not sure if K9s were brought in IMMEDIATELY but there was at least one (TMZ - Border Patrol K9) brought in by border patrol after ransom note #1 was received. Their dogs are often cross trained in multiple different "fields" of scent detection.

My girl specifically is trained for live tracking, so the sooner she can get on a scent the better. K9s trained for search and rescue not only work on the trail, they also can find objects with the scent on it which often helps confirm you are getting somewhere. My girl doesn't focus heavily/too long on "dropped" items so you've got a real quick window with her to note it and flag someone to get to it. The science of scent is incredibly fascinating (to me at least) but based on wind patterns and where a scent can "pool" (settling into crevices/dips/brushy areas/etc) you can get an idea of the direction often. If the wind is insane it complicates things. Other weather can enhance/lessen the scent. Thanks to where we live, my girl has trained in crawfish ponds and a foot or two of water, so it can really depend on the surfaces the dog has trained on, as well as the age of the track. Sooner a dog hits the ground running, the better obviously.

My 2nd K9 is training for HRD (Human Remains Detection). He's an idiot mutt and is insanely high energy which is what you want in a dog to cut loose to make a body recovery. These dogs often work a specifically outlined area and they usually run the perimeter and slowly circle in to "clear" an area. These k9s aren't looking for anything but the scent of HUMAN decomposition. Not dead animals, not rotting food, human decomposition only. I have seen dogs in boats locate bodies under water from the gases that come up out of the water, I've watched a Malinois damn near climb a tree to get to training remains located 12-15 feet up off the ground in the tree branches.

Like I mentioned above, before I started rambling about k9s (SORRRRRYYYY Y'ALL) a lot of military and LE handled dogs are cross trained. Our organization chooses not to cross train because we've found that our bloodhounds actually get pretty depressed for several days after making a body recovery. German shepherds, Malinois, Dutch Shepards don't get bothered as much because they are motivated by a different reward, which is why you see more of these dogs in military & LE. Less dogs to house/feed/train. But a bloodhound will always be the superior tracker

To go back to the point of NG's case, not only could/would tracking dogs have tracked for NG, they also could pick up a scent off anything a perp dropped/touched/walked through. As long as they've got a starting scent, dogs will go. It's on the handler to decipher their signals. My girl gets really upset when she loses the scent (ex: scent took off in a car) and it's obvious she's lost it. She also does a "proximity alert" when she is right on top of an abundance of scent and she can't quite pinpoint where she wants to go because the scent is so strong and overwhelming. I've watched her look at her "find" straight on but she waits on her nose to confirm the person she is staring at is the one she's looking for. Just because my k9 isn't trained for HRD doesn't mean she doesn't sometimes make a recovery and not a "rescue". You just never know.

At this point with NG if we see dogs again I would expect to see them in a very specific location that is NOT NGs home. Whether they would be looking for suspects, a body (eek), or evidence, at this point they wouldn't be combing through anywhere other than a place they had good reason to believe one of those things would be & it would look pretty different than what an initial k9 search/track would look like.

I am so so sorry this got so long. I've either had too much coffee, not enough sleep, not enough adderall or not enough coffee. Only time will tell.

Glad you went into detail. Not too long. Very helpful. Thank you.

 

[Napoli]

6 million dollars is an arbitrary amount that doesn't have any 'dream of' symbolism to us. We don't go around saying "If I had 6 million dollars, I'd ______". But it is roughly 100 million pesos, which is a rounder number and may be a more common "dream of" amount there.

Just thinking about the ransom demand. Have not been able to reconcile such a seemingly random amount of USD as yet.

JMO.

It might have a meaning to someone in the family? At least the number 6? A salary? A birthdate? A recent investment? jmo

 

[MCB1151]

I rewatched the interview, this time without audio, and I noticed this immediately. His body language is incongruous with the words he is saying.

I once worked with a woman who did the same thing--shook her head "no" while speaking--and a colleague pointed it out to me. Turns out she had previously been in an infamous cult (whose members had been brainwashed), and it just creeped us out because we couldn't tell if she was trustworthy or not.

I'm also wondering why LD dressed the way he did for the interview. He looked very covered up.

JMO

When a person subconsciously nods up and down, even slightly, while they are denying something/saying "no", it's a pretty decent indicator that there is some level of deception/confusion. It's more typically seen in younger people but adults definitely do it too. (Source: "Dictionary of Body Language" - Joe Navarro) <-- super cool behavior book, ret. FBI SA

 

[MissPie]

I'm not sure if K9s were brought in IMMEDIATELY but there was at least one (TMZ - Border Patrol K9) brought in by border patrol after ransom note #1 was received. Their dogs are often cross trained in multiple different "fields" of scent detection.

My girl specifically is trained for live tracking, so the sooner she can get on a scent the better. K9s trained for search and rescue not only work on the trail, they also can find objects with the scent on it which often helps confirm you are getting somewhere. My girl doesn't focus heavily/too long on "dropped" items so you've got a real quick window with her to note it and flag someone to get to it. The science of scent is incredibly fascinating (to me at least) but based on wind patterns and where a scent can "pool" (settling into crevices/dips/brushy areas/etc) you can get an idea of the direction often. If the wind is insane it complicates things. Other weather can enhance/lessen the scent. Thanks to where we live, my girl has trained in crawfish ponds and a foot or two of water, so it can really depend on the surfaces the dog has trained on, as well as the age of the track. Sooner a dog hits the ground running, the better obviously.

My 2nd K9 is training for HRD (Human Remains Detection). He's an idiot mutt and is insanely high energy which is what you want in a dog to cut loose to make a body recovery. These dogs often work a specifically outlined area and they usually run the perimeter and slowly circle in to "clear" an area. These k9s aren't looking for anything but the scent of HUMAN decomposition. Not dead animals, not rotting food, human decomposition only. I have seen dogs in boats locate bodies under water from the gases that come up out of the water, I've watched a Malinois damn near climb a tree to get to training remains located 12-15 feet up off the ground in the tree branches.

Like I mentioned above, before I started rambling about k9s (SORRRRRYYYY Y'ALL) a lot of military and LE handled dogs are cross trained. Our organization chooses not to cross train because we've found that our bloodhounds actually get pretty depressed for several days after making a body recovery. German shepherds, Malinois, Dutch Shepards don't get bothered as much because they are motivated by a different reward, which is why you see more of these dogs in military & LE. Less dogs to house/feed/train. But a bloodhound will always be the superior tracker

To go back to the point of NG's case, not only could/would tracking dogs have tracked for NG, they also could pick up a scent off anything a perp dropped/touched/walked through. As long as they've got a starting scent, dogs will go. It's on the handler to decipher their signals. My girl gets really upset when she loses the scent (ex: scent took off in a car) and it's obvious she's lost it. She also does a "proximity alert" when she is right on top of an abundance of scent and she can't quite pinpoint where she wants to go because the scent is so strong and overwhelming. I've watched her look at her "find" straight on but she waits on her nose to confirm the person she is staring at is the one she's looking for. Just because my k9 isn't trained for HRD doesn't mean she doesn't sometimes make a recovery and not a "rescue". You just never know.

At this point with NG if we see dogs again I would expect to see them in a very specific location that is NOT NGs home. Whether they would be looking for suspects, a body (eek), or evidence, at this point they wouldn't be combing through anywhere other than a place they had good reason to believe one of those things would be & it would look pretty different than what an initial k9 search/track would look like.

I am so so sorry this got so long. I've either had too much coffee, not enough sleep, not enough adderall or not enough coffee. Only time will tell.

Thank you for sharing your expertise @MCB1151. It’s very valuable information for this and future cases.

 

[Skully7100]

We live in the Phoenix area and our home was built in 2023. The breaker panel is outdoors and was unlocked when we bought the house. My husband has recently added a lock to the box. I have heard of instances where pranksters will turn off sprinkler systems and we've added a lock to that box as well.

Why is the breaker panel outdoors? Is that required by code in AZ?

 

[Sadi]

I'm not sure if K9s were brought in IMMEDIATELY but there was at least one (TMZ - Border Patrol K9) brought in by border patrol after ransom note #1 was received. Their dogs are often cross trained in multiple different "fields" of scent detection.

My girl specifically is trained for live tracking, so the sooner she can get on a scent the better. K9s trained for search and rescue not only work on the trail, they also can find objects with the scent on it which often helps confirm you are getting somewhere. My girl doesn't focus heavily/too long on "dropped" items so you've got a real quick window with her to note it and flag someone to get to it. The science of scent is incredibly fascinating (to me at least) but based on wind patterns and where a scent can "pool" (settling into crevices/dips/brushy areas/etc) you can get an idea of the direction often. If the wind is insane it complicates things. Other weather can enhance/lessen the scent. Thanks to where we live, my girl has trained in crawfish ponds and a foot or two of water, so it can really depend on the surfaces the dog has trained on, as well as the age of the track. Sooner a dog hits the ground running, the better obviously.

My 2nd K9 is training for HRD (Human Remains Detection). He's an idiot mutt and is insanely high energy which is what you want in a dog to cut loose to make a body recovery. These dogs often work a specifically outlined area and they usually run the perimeter and slowly circle in to "clear" an area. These k9s aren't looking for anything but the scent of HUMAN decomposition. Not dead animals, not rotting food, human decomposition only. I have seen dogs in boats locate bodies under water from the gases that come up out of the water, I've watched a Malinois damn near climb a tree to get to training remains located 12-15 feet up off the ground in the tree branches.

Like I mentioned above, before I started rambling about k9s (SORRRRRYYYY Y'ALL) a lot of military and LE handled dogs are cross trained. Our organization chooses not to cross train because we've found that our bloodhounds actually get pretty depressed for several days after making a body recovery. German shepherds, Malinois, Dutch Shepards don't get bothered as much because they are motivated by a different reward, which is why you see more of these dogs in military & LE. Less dogs to house/feed/train. But a bloodhound will always be the superior tracker

To go back to the point of NG's case, not only could/would tracking dogs have tracked for NG, they also could pick up a scent off anything a perp dropped/touched/walked through. As long as they've got a starting scent, dogs will go. It's on the handler to decipher their signals. My girl gets really upset when she loses the scent (ex: scent took off in a car) and it's obvious she's lost it. She also does a "proximity alert" when she is right on top of an abundance of scent and she can't quite pinpoint where she wants to go because the scent is so strong and overwhelming. I've watched her look at her "find" straight on but she waits on her nose to confirm the person she is staring at is the one she's looking for. Just because my k9 isn't trained for HRD doesn't mean she doesn't sometimes make a recovery and not a "rescue". You just never know.

At this point with NG if we see dogs again I would expect to see them in a very specific location that is NOT NGs home. Whether they would be looking for suspects, a body (eek), or evidence, at this point they wouldn't be combing through anywhere other than a place they had good reason to believe one of those things would be & it would look pretty different than what an initial k9 search/track would look like.

I am so so sorry this got so long. I've either had too much coffee, not enough sleep, not enough adderall or not enough coffee. Only time will tell.

Very interesting information, thank you for sharing.

 

[Skully7100]

When a person subconsciously nods up and down, even slightly, while they are denying something/saying "no", it's a pretty decent indicator that there is some level of deception/confusion. It's more typically seen in younger people but adults definitely do it too. (Source: "Dictionary of Body Language" - Joe Navarro) <-- super cool behavior book, ret. FBI SA

I worked with a lady from India and her nodding up/down meant no. It was weird. Took awhile to figure out what she meant.

 

[Sakura2Sophia4Lucia]

I think LE is aware. Nanos called in homicide because he didn’t like what he was being told by his investigators at her home that morning.

LE knew immediately it was a serious crime scene. The Sheriff himself arrived almost immediately after the LE phone call about the state of house. It was a huge alert to people in Tucson that the Sheriff himself was there so soon after the phone call on a Sunday afternoon.

On Feb 2nd, TMZ reported that "the Pima County Sheriff's Office noted on their briefing today that, "disturbing or concerning circumstances were found at the home, prompting homicide detectives to assist in the investigation."

'TODAY' Anchor Savannah Guthrie’s Mom Missing​

Authorities in Arizona are searching for Nancy Guthrie, the mother of 'TODAY' anchor Savannah Guthrie, who was reported missing under what authorities are calling concerning circumstances.

www.tmz.com

 

[VeronicaVaughn]

Can you imagine if either of these guys, CP or LD, legitimately had *nothing* to do with NG's case?

I can't imagine how terrible that would be for them and their families. There's no easy way to come back from that.

MOO.

 

[Forest_Wood]

This is true and it’s one of the reasons I really think they have a good idea of what the perp looks like beyond their public description. I think they have it pretty narrowed down. They don’t have Nancy so they MUST keep all evidence close. I know I go back to patterns of similarity that I noticed in the raids. Similar vehicles, similar living arrangements, etc. look at the similarities between CP and LD appearance. Both also have similar hairstyles, where the sides are shaved and there’s hair on top. Both also have a certain style of facial hair. I mentioned yesterday that LD was clean shaven. They why’s of that are debatable. He had facial hair when he was detained at Culver’s. I’m just simply pointing out that the both of them also share very similar physical characteristics.

Similar colored vehicles
Similar living situations
Similar haircuts
What appears to be same eye color and hair color and similar skin tone
Similar body type/shape

https://twitter.com/x/status/2028934283520602302

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022673984480038997

The guy we see in the driver's seat of the SWAT raid looks thin, with facial hair, while the guy we see in the interview looks bulked up with several layers (vest, tie up to the neck, shirt, possibly another layer under the shirt) and clean shaven with a fresh haircut. His mugshot from years ago looks very different also. I'd never recognize the two as being the same person.

 

[Silverstorm]

I'm not sure if K9s were brought in IMMEDIATELY but there was at least one (TMZ - Border Patrol K9) brought in by border patrol after ransom note #1 was received. Their dogs are often cross trained in multiple different "fields" of scent detection.

My girl specifically is trained for live tracking, so the sooner she can get on a scent the better. K9s trained for search and rescue not only work on the trail, they also can find objects with the scent on it which often helps confirm you are getting somewhere. My girl doesn't focus heavily/too long on "dropped" items so you've got a real quick window with her to note it and flag someone to get to it. The science of scent is incredibly fascinating (to me at least) but based on wind patterns and where a scent can "pool" (settling into crevices/dips/brushy areas/etc) you can get an idea of the direction often. If the wind is insane it complicates things. Other weather can enhance/lessen the scent. Thanks to where we live, my girl has trained in crawfish ponds and a foot or two of water, so it can really depend on the surfaces the dog has trained on, as well as the age of the track. Sooner a dog hits the ground running, the better obviously.

My 2nd K9 is training for HRD (Human Remains Detection). He's an idiot mutt and is insanely high energy which is what you want in a dog to cut loose to make a body recovery. These dogs often work a specifically outlined area and they usually run the perimeter and slowly circle in to "clear" an area. These k9s aren't looking for anything but the scent of HUMAN decomposition. Not dead animals, not rotting food, human decomposition only. I have seen dogs in boats locate bodies under water from the gases that come up out of the water, I've watched a Malinois damn near climb a tree to get to training remains located 12-15 feet up off the ground in the tree branches.

Like I mentioned above, before I started rambling about k9s (SORRRRRYYYY Y'ALL) a lot of military and LE handled dogs are cross trained. Our organization chooses not to cross train because we've found that our bloodhounds actually get pretty depressed for several days after making a body recovery. German shepherds, Malinois, Dutch Shepards don't get bothered as much because they are motivated by a different reward, which is why you see more of these dogs in military & LE. Less dogs to house/feed/train. But a bloodhound will always be the superior tracker

To go back to the point of NG's case, not only could/would tracking dogs have tracked for NG, they also could pick up a scent off anything a perp dropped/touched/walked through. As long as they've got a starting scent, dogs will go. It's on the handler to decipher their signals. My girl gets really upset when she loses the scent (ex: scent took off in a car) and it's obvious she's lost it. She also does a "proximity alert" when she is right on top of an abundance of scent and she can't quite pinpoint where she wants to go because the scent is so strong and overwhelming. I've watched her look at her "find" straight on but she waits on her nose to confirm the person she is staring at is the one she's looking for. Just because my k9 isn't trained for HRD doesn't mean she doesn't sometimes make a recovery and not a "rescue". You just never know.

At this point with NG if we see dogs again I would expect to see them in a very specific location that is NOT NGs home. Whether they would be looking for suspects, a body (eek), or evidence, at this point they wouldn't be combing through anywhere other than a place they had good reason to believe one of those things would be & it would look pretty different than what an initial k9 search/track would look like.

I am so so sorry this got so long. I've either had too much coffee, not enough sleep, not enough adderall or not enough coffee. Only time will tell.

That is amazing! Please give your girl a treat and hug from a fellow animal lover. We SO APPRECIATE her and your work!

 

[Sadi]

This is true and it’s one of the reasons I really think they have a good idea of what the perp looks like beyond their public description. I think they have it pretty narrowed down. They don’t have Nancy so they MUST keep all evidence close. I know I go back to patterns of similarity that I noticed in the raids. Similar vehicles, similar living arrangements, etc. look at the similarities between CP and LD appearance. Both also have similar hairstyles, where the sides are shaved and there’s hair on top. Both also have a certain style of facial hair. I mentioned yesterday that LD was clean shaven. They why’s of that are debatable. He had facial hair when he was detained at Culver’s. I’m just simply pointing out that the both of them also share very similar physical characteristics.

Similar colored vehicles
Similar living situations
Similar haircuts
What appears to be same eye color and hair color and similar skin tone
Similar body type/shape

https://twitter.com/x/status/2028934283520602302

https://twitter.com/x/status/2022673984480038997

Another thing that keeps bothering me is the two warrants for CP and LD, they have something on both of them. LD was a major raid, but didn’t end up in an arrest, at this time. Strange how he was overly dressed for the interview.