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Maybe covering up tattoos? JMO
yeah but a long sleeve t shirt or thin jumper would do that, it was an odd combo of vest with the shirt under, does anyone know if this is a common style as it seemed a strange but intentional choice to me. I think he was told to dress in a way that’s different to the lantana man video and I also wonder if he removed his facial hair as well for this reason, not that he is guilty of anything but just to help with the public perception.
 
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I believe a lot more went on in the house that LE is aware of. That’s the only part that has been held close, other than “taken from her bed”, nothing has been disclosed.
I think it must have been traumatic for Annie to have witnessed the scene at Nancy’s house and knowing something was wrong. I hope she’s able to get help in dealing with that.
 
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6 million dollars is an arbitrary amount that doesn't have any 'dream of' symbolism to us. We don't go around saying "If I had 6 million dollars, I'd ______". But it is roughly 100 million pesos, which is a rounder number and may be a more common "dream of" amount there.

Just thinking about the ransom demand. Have not been able to reconcile such a seemingly random amount of USD as yet.

JMO.
The significance of 6 million may be how it divides up.
 
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I'm not sure if K9s were brought in IMMEDIATELY but there was at least one (TMZ - Border Patrol K9) brought in by border patrol after ransom note #1 was received. Their dogs are often cross trained in multiple different "fields" of scent detection.

My girl specifically is trained for live tracking, so the sooner she can get on a scent the better. K9s trained for search and rescue not only work on the trail, they also can find objects with the scent on it which often helps confirm you are getting somewhere. My girl doesn't focus heavily/too long on "dropped" items so you've got a real quick window with her to note it and flag someone to get to it. The science of scent is incredibly fascinating (to me at least) but based on wind patterns and where a scent can "pool" (settling into crevices/dips/brushy areas/etc) you can get an idea of the direction often. If the wind is insane it complicates things. Other weather can enhance/lessen the scent. Thanks to where we live, my girl has trained in crawfish ponds and a foot or two of water, so it can really depend on the surfaces the dog has trained on, as well as the age of the track. Sooner a dog hits the ground running, the better obviously.

My 2nd K9 is training for HRD (Human Remains Detection). He's an idiot mutt and is insanely high energy which is what you want in a dog to cut loose to make a body recovery. These dogs often work a specifically outlined area and they usually run the perimeter and slowly circle in to "clear" an area. These k9s aren't looking for anything but the scent of HUMAN decomposition. Not dead animals, not rotting food, human decomposition only. I have seen dogs in boats locate bodies under water from the gases that come up out of the water, I've watched a Malinois damn near climb a tree to get to training remains located 12-15 feet up off the ground in the tree branches.

Like I mentioned above, before I started rambling about k9s (SORRRRRYYYY Y'ALL) a lot of military and LE handled dogs are cross trained. Our organization chooses not to cross train because we've found that our bloodhounds actually get pretty depressed for several days after making a body recovery. German shepherds, Malinois, Dutch Shepards don't get bothered as much because they are motivated by a different reward, which is why you see more of these dogs in military & LE. Less dogs to house/feed/train. But a bloodhound will always be the superior tracker ;)

To go back to the point of NG's case, not only could/would tracking dogs have tracked for NG, they also could pick up a scent off anything a perp dropped/touched/walked through. As long as they've got a starting scent, dogs will go. It's on the handler to decipher their signals. My girl gets really upset when she loses the scent (ex: scent took off in a car) and it's obvious she's lost it. She also does a "proximity alert" when she is right on top of an abundance of scent and she can't quite pinpoint where she wants to go because the scent is so strong and overwhelming. I've watched her look at her "find" straight on but she waits on her nose to confirm the person she is staring at is the one she's looking for. Just because my k9 isn't trained for HRD doesn't mean she doesn't sometimes make a recovery and not a "rescue". You just never know.

At this point with NG if we see dogs again I would expect to see them in a very specific location that is NOT NGs home. Whether they would be looking for suspects, a body (eek), or evidence, at this point they wouldn't be combing through anywhere other than a place they had good reason to believe one of those things would be & it would look pretty different than what an initial k9 search/track would look like.

I am so so sorry this got so long. I've either had too much coffee, not enough sleep, not enough adderall or not enough coffee. Only time will tell.

This was super interesting! Thank you for helping find others with your dogs. I hope that LE has the opportunity to use K9’s again if they get a good lead, though I’m still hoping she’s alive. I really want this suspect caught!
 
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Does Walmart do a ‘club card’ scheme where you get points for purchases that would work on cash purchases as well as card payments?
No
 
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Funnily enough, there were a bunch of those backpacks sold on ebay.
Maybe not bought from Walmart. I know people who import their own inventory and sell it online. MOOooo
 
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6 million dollars is an arbitrary amount that doesn't have any 'dream of' symbolism to us. We don't go around saying "If I had 6 million dollars, I'd ______". But it is roughly 100 million pesos, which is a rounder number and may be a more common "dream of" amount there.

Just thinking about the ransom demand. Have not been able to reconcile such a seemingly random amount of USD as yet.

JMO.
The conversion would be $5,681,773. About 94%.
If there was more than one person involved, they would have planned to split the money, so it would be more like $3,000,000 or even $2,000,000. I think asking for ransom was just a distraction, and don't think anyone ever seriously considered collecting any money.

 
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Can you imagine if either of these guys, CP or LD, legitimately had *nothing* to do with NG's case?

I can't imagine how terrible that would be for them and their families. There's no easy way to come back from that.

MOO.
I am in the minority here. I think these last suspects are not perhaps from the upper echelon of society ( whatever that even means) but rather poor, unfortunate souls . Low level suburban addicts,or hard working delivery people who have jobs that are spotty or not necessarily 9-5 etc. There's probably nothing worse than having to PROVE YOUR INNOCENCE. IMO, people are barking up the wrong tree here. There's nothing much to chew on but the bones of 2 people who were released. Every additional moment LE spends on these last 2 suspects going forward are moments wasted, imo.

The perp is not uneducated or tethered to a monotonous, uninspiring profession. It's someone who might march to a different drummer but doesnt have a record. Misunderstood, deep thinker, into symbolism. He never had a date for the prom and (for all the ladies out there reading this) GOOD TO HIS MOTHER! JMO
 
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Unless she was subdued somehow while she was in bed and/or before she even woke up there is no doubt in my mind that she fought back.
She very well may have but having experienced an intruder and a gun, I can say fighting back was not on my mind and I'm pretty strong, tall, and feisty. I would be surprised if NG fought.

Edit to add: nobody tried to take me so maybe I'm wrong.
 
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Another thing that keeps bothering me is the two warrants for CP and LD, they have something on both of them. LD was a major raid, but didn’t end up in an arrest, at this time. Strange how he was overly dressed for the interview.
Likely he was covering up something that might make people see even more similarities between himself and the perpetrator. Doesn't mean he's the perp. He may have a tattoo in the same spot as the perp. He may have wanted to appear bigger and bulkier. I think he was trying to distance his physical similarity and look as different as possible from the perp. He shaved, he bulked up etc.

I do know it was in the low 90s that day and very warm so his clothing was particularly noticeable and incongroent with the somewhat hot temperatures.

JMO
 
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Same @shonyakay, don't feel alone lol.
I have to laugh - my standard direction to gather information for public dissemination is to ask the person giving me the information to explain it to me like I'm 5. This is the thing - in my experience, people get so passionate about their work that they don't realize not everyone has the same depth of knowledge they do.
 
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I'm not sure if K9s were brought in IMMEDIATELY but there was at least one (TMZ - Border Patrol K9) brought in by border patrol after ransom note #1 was received. Their dogs are often cross trained in multiple different "fields" of scent detection.

My girl specifically is trained for live tracking, so the sooner she can get on a scent the better. K9s trained for search and rescue not only work on the trail, they also can find objects with the scent on it which often helps confirm you are getting somewhere. My girl doesn't focus heavily/too long on "dropped" items so you've got a real quick window with her to note it and flag someone to get to it. The science of scent is incredibly fascinating (to me at least) but based on wind patterns and where a scent can "pool" (settling into crevices/dips/brushy areas/etc) you can get an idea of the direction often. If the wind is insane it complicates things. Other weather can enhance/lessen the scent. Thanks to where we live, my girl has trained in crawfish ponds and a foot or two of water, so it can really depend on the surfaces the dog has trained on, as well as the age of the track. Sooner a dog hits the ground running, the better obviously.

My 2nd K9 is training for HRD (Human Remains Detection). He's an idiot mutt and is insanely high energy which is what you want in a dog to cut loose to make a body recovery. These dogs often work a specifically outlined area and they usually run the perimeter and slowly circle in to "clear" an area. These k9s aren't looking for anything but the scent of HUMAN decomposition. Not dead animals, not rotting food, human decomposition only. I have seen dogs in boats locate bodies under water from the gases that come up out of the water, I've watched a Malinois damn near climb a tree to get to training remains located 12-15 feet up off the ground in the tree branches.

Like I mentioned above, before I started rambling about k9s (SORRRRRYYYY Y'ALL) a lot of military and LE handled dogs are cross trained. Our organization chooses not to cross train because we've found that our bloodhounds actually get pretty depressed for several days after making a body recovery. German shepherds, Malinois, Dutch Shepards don't get bothered as much because they are motivated by a different reward, which is why you see more of these dogs in military & LE. Less dogs to house/feed/train. But a bloodhound will always be the superior tracker ;)

To go back to the point of NG's case, not only could/would tracking dogs have tracked for NG, they also could pick up a scent off anything a perp dropped/touched/walked through. As long as they've got a starting scent, dogs will go. It's on the handler to decipher their signals. My girl gets really upset when she loses the scent (ex: scent took off in a car) and it's obvious she's lost it. She also does a "proximity alert" when she is right on top of an abundance of scent and she can't quite pinpoint where she wants to go because the scent is so strong and overwhelming. I've watched her look at her "find" straight on but she waits on her nose to confirm the person she is staring at is the one she's looking for. Just because my k9 isn't trained for HRD doesn't mean she doesn't sometimes make a recovery and not a "rescue". You just never know.

At this point with NG if we see dogs again I would expect to see them in a very specific location that is NOT NGs home. Whether they would be looking for suspects, a body (eek), or evidence, at this point they wouldn't be combing through anywhere other than a place they had good reason to believe one of those things would be & it would look pretty different than what an initial k9 search/track would look like.

I am so so sorry this got so long. I've either had too much coffee, not enough sleep, not enough adderall or not enough coffee. Only time will tell.
Thank you for this great insight!! And the "idiot mutt" description made me laugh out loud.
 
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yeah but a long sleeve t shirt or thin jumper would do that, it was an odd combo of vest with the shirt under, does anyone know if this is a common style as it seemed a strange but intentional choice to me. I think he was told to dress in a way that’s different to the lantana man video and I also wonder if he removed his facial hair as well for this reason, not that he is guilty of anything but just to help with the public perception.
I think those were his "dress clothes" as his pants were more what he likely wears.
 
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yeah but a long sleeve t shirt or thin jumper would do that, it was an odd combo of vest with the shirt under, does anyone know if this is a common style as it seemed a strange but intentional choice to me. I think he was told to dress in a way that’s different to the lantana man video and I also wonder if he removed his facial hair as well for this reason, not that he is guilty of anything but just to help with the public perception.
Totally agree. His attorney likely told him to shave and how to dress. Again, not saying he's the perp, but rather saying he was clearly trying to differentiate himself from the perp in his physical appearance.

JMO
 
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Never mind. I read back. Should have done it sooner. Sheer laziness.
No problem. Totally get it. It's so hard to stay caught up. MOO
 
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Luke Daley and his 77-year-old mother were served search warrants, and Daley was handcuffed and detained by law enforcement for several hours for questioning.

The 37-year-old told True Crime Arizona host Briana Whitney he would happily tell the FBI anything if he had information on Guthrie’s disappearance.

“I, like everyone else, just want Nancy to come home and be safe,” he said. “But that being said, I have nothing to do with this case.”

Daley said he didn’t think it would be a big deal to clear his name and move on, but life has been difficult due to public reaction.

“I can’t go anywhere; everyone gives me dirty looks,” he said. “I’d like to be able to go about my life and not have doubt casted over me.”

Daley says he doesn’t know why officers pursued search warrants for himself and his mother. Although there are online theories that he resembles a suspect seen on a surveillance camera at Guthrie’s home, Daley said he doesn’t think that’s accurate.
 
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