Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[SaraSmile]

I wish they'd just say Porch Guy.
Using the initials PG made me thing it was a Guthrie family member they were talking about, and I lost track and got confused.

PG threw me at first, too. I thought he was called “Lantana Guy”.
When I heard PG, in relation to NG’s bedroom, I thought PG vs XXX ( Movie ratings). Sorry old thinking!
I caught on! porch guy= lantana guy
JMO

 

[SaraSmile]

While I'm not quite Nancy's age, I identify with your statement. When I was quite young I was jumped from the back seat while in my car. The only thing that saved me was keeping my left leg hanging out the door so the perp could't close it. With a knife in one hand, trying to hold onto me, he was unable to reach across me to try to close the door. I had always heard "Don't EVER let the door close...nothing good will come of it." Fortunately with my screaming and people walking by, he took off.
The next day was Thanksgiving...and I've NEVER been so thankful to have been able to celebrate with my family. Every Thanksgiving has new meaning...with a warning to be remembered.

Wow, that sure was a Thankful Thanksgiving! Happy for you, you are a survivor! JMO

 

[buffalogal]

This is true and it’s one of the reasons I really think they have a good idea of what the perp looks like beyond their public description. I think they have it pretty narrowed down. They don’t have Nancy so they MUST keep all evidence close. I know I go back to patterns of similarity that I noticed in the raids. Similar vehicles, similar living arrangements, etc. look at the similarities between CP and LD appearance. Both also have similar hairstyles, where the sides are shaved and there’s hair on top. Both also have a certain style of facial hair. I mentioned yesterday that LD was clean shaven. They why’s of that are debatable. He had facial hair when he was detained at Culver’s. I’m just simply pointing out that the both of them also share very similar physical characteristics.

Similar colored vehicles
Similar living situations
Similar haircuts
Similar facial hair and features
What appears to be same eye color and hair color and similar skin tone
Similar body type/shape

Considering that one guy bought his vehicle after Nancy's abduction, I would think that automatically rules him out as a suspect in this case, no matter how awkward he is on camera or what kind of sketchy activity he has done in the past.

The camera is infrared, so the color is not accurate. I had no idea how unreliable guessing color would be until someone here posted the brown plaid shirt that was washed out to white and pale gray, and the swirly blue tie dye shirt that had no markings at all. I think trying to guess something like eye color and skin tone of the perp based on that video would be no more reliable.
The haircut/facial hair style are popular. That both people who LE have detained and questioned look similar is more a factor of how common it is rather than how accurately they describe the guy on the porch. I imagine you could find about as many guys sporting that style at county lock up as at the local church services.

That said, the shape of the eyes that we can see in the video; I would say that's an identifying trait. JMHO

 

[Megnut]

FWIW, Nanos isn't necessarily talking to us.

There might be powerful investigative reasons for LE to not want the perp/s to know

That they know the precise date of the prior visit
That they have narrowed down a suspect vehicle
That DNA remains a strong lead

Sometimes LE puts pressure on perp/s, sometimes LE eases up, by design to trip perp/s up.

It's possible that LE is striking out but it's equally possible they are laser focused and want the perp/s to think LE's got nothing on them.

I hope this is that.

JMO

 

[Mistermagoo]

I agree with you.
If we go back to the scene of the crime on Sunday morning before we knew there was a crime, what will we see? We will see AG and possibly TC arrive at Nancy Guthrie’s home a little before noon because they were called by one of Nancy’s friends who were worried about her. Nancy had not shown up at the friend’s home to watch a church service on TV and they could not reach her by phone.
When they arrive, they drive up to the garage. Why? Because they wanted to see if Nancy’s car was in the garage. Also, because that seemed to be the way Nancy usually entered her home as evidenced by the garage door opening and closing timestamps when she was dropped off the night before.
They went through the garage and into the house and found something “disturbing” as described by Sheriff Panos. One of them called 911 right away. 12:03 pm.
The next part is mho because we have not been given much information about what was found inside the home and initial LE information like the release of the 911 call, the point of entry of the suspect, etc. We were led to believe that her phone and watch were found inside. There was presumably blood found inside as well. There did not seem to be anything missing.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/02/02/us/video/nancy-guthrie-missing-crime-scene-vrtc

Enter LE
Usually, a 911 call for a missing person will elicit a response from a patrol officer who takes the initial report. Was that officer met at the garage by a family member and brought inside that way? Normally an officer responding to a call to take a report would walk up to the front door and knock or ring the bell. Once inside, it may have been apparent where a suspect entered the home, but we have not been told definitively there was forced entry.
The responding officer probably called for detectives to respond after viewing the scene. He may have called a supervisor first. Did they also enter through the garage door?
Sheriff Panos, responding to criticism that the crime scene was not secured properly stated that his forensic team spent 20 hours the home.
Unfortunately, I think the forensics team was so intent on gathering evidence inside the home and the point of entry, and garage area, they never checked the exterior of the front door. I find this unbelievable because there was probably a blood trail that led to the front door. Or did Nancy Guthrie try to make a run for it, as best she could and the initial assault occurred inside the front door but, she was dragged back to the interior of the home and it was not apparent she was taken out that way? Either way, there was no excuse for the lack of a complete forensic examination on the exterior of the home.
As you stated, @Mistermagoo, even with the front door forensics examination apparently after the evidence was discovered by BE, the mat and lantana stalks should have been bagged and held for evidence.


A timeline and most information included in this post is available here:

https://www.cnn.com/us/timeline-nancy-guthrie-search

Yes, just from live court that I have watched, usually anything near the victims blood is taken into evidence and tested, possibly used at trial. As I stated in my OP, to our knowledge they didn't have any video on the porch yet. So they would have had no idea what the perp was wearing, where he stood, when the blood got there, or why there was Lantana all over the place.

 

[SMK777]

It's possible that LE is striking out but it's equally possible they are laser focused and want the perp/s to think LE's got nothing on them.

I hope this is that.

Snipped by me for emphasis:

Absolutely. This remains the best hope.

 

[Lebowski]

Considering that one guy bought his vehicle after Nancy's abduction, I would think that automatically rules him out as a suspect in this case, no matter how awkward he is on camera or what kind of sketchy activity he has done in the past.

The camera is infrared, so the color is not accurate. I had no idea how unreliable guessing color would be until someone here posted the brown plaid shirt that was washed out to white and pale gray, and the swirly blue tie dye shirt that had no markings at all. I think trying to guess something like eye color and skin tone of the perp based on that video would be no more reliable.
The haircut/facial hair style are popular. That both people who LE have detained and questioned look similar is more a factor of how common it is rather than how accurately they describe the guy on the porch. I imagine you could find about as many guys sporting that style at county lock up as at the local church services.

That said, the shape of the eyes that we can see in the video; I would say that's an identifying trait. JMHO

the one trait i feel very certain about from looking at the video is the relative positioning of the eyes and mouth.

draw a triangle connecting the centers of the eyes to the center of the upper lip. measure the degrees of the three angles. i feel like those numbers are going to be well-defined, are not going to change with facial expression, and will have enough variation from person to person, to be fairly specific to lantana man. i also think that geometry is unlikely to be thrown off by any second mask underneath, if anyone's worried about that. if nothing else, i think we are seeing his actual eye and mouth positions.

little worried about distortion from the camera's wall-eye effect, but that can be corrected for by modeling the distortion, plus looking at multiple still frames, etc. edit: also have to correct for whether his face is pointed straight at the camera.

i've had it in the back of my mind for a while to do this myself, but i've been busy and lazy.

 

[kenza68]

I have seen references here and elsewhere that NG had a dog.
Some have said that her dog died about a month before she disappeared(sorry--no link).

What piques my interest is the dog reportedly was only about a year old.
Not normal for a dog to die that young.

If this kidnapping/abduction was well-planned like everyone agrees that it was---NG was surveilled beforehand and was known to have a dog.
Obviously it would be much easier to carry out the plan if the victim has no barking dog in the picture.

Does anyone on here have any clue on how/why the dog died?
Would think/hope LE would be looking into that angle just to be sure.

She did own a little black dog, The dog had passed away December 2025. so she did NOT have a dog at the day she went missing.

 

[submarine7]

She did own a little black dog, The dog had passed away December 2025. so she did NOT have a dog at the day she went missing.

Another coincidence?

Edit to add the dog was in the Christmas photo.

 

[OldCop]

Let's put it this way- the videos were being uploaded to "the cloud" aka Google Nest servers. Therefore anytime motion triggered NGs cameras it was being clipped and uploaded to Googles servers irregardless of the fact that the cameras were locally overwriting itself every 3 hours.

Google retrieved the data because it was "floating" around in their servers. Due to no subscription they were marked for deletion. But not actually deleted yet due to how recent the event was. Kinda like how you can delete a photo but still retrieve it from recently deleted, but then 30 days pass and the trash automatically empties.. just in a more complex coding and network kinda of way.


If they used a wifi jammer to disrupt the cameras that just means that the cameras wouldn't be able to upload footage to their servers during that time.

To add to your excellent example regarding photos, @Bluewing3102, folks who use sd or cf cards in their cameras can sometimes recover photos even if the card has been formatted, (erased). Recovering photos from formatted cards is much more successful if the formatted card has not been written over. The big card companies like Sandisk often provide software links which lead to programs that can often recover the photos and there are several independent companies who provide this service albeit at a very high price.

 

[Napoli]

She did own a little black dog, The dog had passed away December 2025. so she did NOT have a dog at the day she went missing.

Kill the dog first? Eliminate that disruption of a barking animal that might be recalled or might alert the neighbors? Foreshadowing? Things /people close to/ NG herself will be eliminated? jmo

 

[OldCop]

While I'm not quite Nancy's age, I identify with your statement. When I was quite young I was jumped from the back seat while in my car. The only thing that saved me was keeping my left leg hanging out the door so the perp could't close it. With a knife in one hand, trying to hold onto me, he was unable to reach across me to try to close the door. I had always heard "Don't EVER let the door close...nothing good will come of it." Fortunately with my screaming and people walking by, he took off.
The next day was Thanksgiving...and I've NEVER been so thankful to have been able to celebrate with my family. Every Thanksgiving has new meaning...with a warning to be remembered.

This is an interesting article which talks about the “fight or flight” response to a threat. They have also added freeze and fawn to stress response syndrome. I wonder which response Nancy Guthrie may have utilized.

What Happens During Fight-or-Flight Response?

Stressful situations can come out of nowhere — and our bodies react accordingly as a way to protect us. Here’s what happens when you go into a fight, flight, freeze or fawn response and how to manage it.

health.clevelandclinic.org

 

[LetsSolvIt]

I do not have an opinion as to whether gentleman interviewed is potential perp but his layers of clothing on a hot day in AZ are interesting to me as were obvious layers of clothing worn by Porch Man. I even posted about that after video was released, thinking Porch Man must have gotten hot with all that on. Only my musings.

 

[ChiaPet]

Snipped by me for emphasis:

Absolutely. This remains the best hope.

Thats what I was thinking too when they said they were looking at hundreds of thousands of cars. I HOPE that was exaggerated to make them look like they didn't know anything

 

[Bruxer]

I do not have an opinion as to whether gentleman interviewed is potential perp but his layers of clothing on a hot day in AZ are interesting to me as were obvious layers of clothing worn by Porch Man. I even posted about that after video was released, thinking Porch Man must have gotten hot with all that on. Only my musings.

The top half of him reminds me of what a car salesman would wear.

P.S. Love your Vera profile pic.

 

[SaraSmile]

This is an interesting article which talks about the “fight or flight” response to a threat. They have also added freeze and fawn to stress response syndrome. I wonder which response Nancy Guthrie may have utilized.

What Happens During Fight-or-Flight Response?

Stressful situations can come out of nowhere — and our bodies react accordingly as a way to protect us. Here’s what happens when you go into a fight, flight, freeze or fawn response and how to manage it.

health.clevelandclinic.org

My opinion, fight. If she complied right away, walked to car, no harm to her( right then…). Since she fought, she got injured, bled. Maybe had to be carried out. JMO

 

[SaraSmile]

Yes, just from live court that I have watched, usually anything near the victims blood is taken into evidence and tested, possibly used at trial. As I stated in my OP, to our knowledge they didn't have any video on the porch yet. So they would have had no idea what the perp was wearing, where he stood, when the blood got there, or why there was Lantana all over the place.

You are right! At the time of porch video, no blood on porch. When LE first came, they discovered blood, but it wasn’t tested right away. Tested a few days later,
Still doesn’t answer why this area wasn’t protected better. Especially, as some have noted, there was similar blood sprinkling inside of house. ( blood in house Never officially confirmed).sorry no link, AB info.
JMO

 

[submarine7]

My opinion, fight. If she complied right away, walked to car, no harm to her( right then…). Since she fought, she got injured, bled. Maybe had to be carried out. JMO

She couldn't hear to comply.

 

[OldCop]

I do not have an opinion as to whether gentleman interviewed is potential perp but his layers of clothing on a hot day in AZ are interesting to me as were obvious layers of clothing worn by Porch Man. I even posted about that after video was released, thinking Porch Man must have gotten hot with all that on. Only my musings.

Drug users often wear long sleeve shirts to cover their needle marks. We know he had at least one prior drug arrest. However, it isn’t common to layer up for this purpose. Wearing a long sleeve shirt and a vest on an 88° day in the desert does seem odd.

 

[SMK777]

Thats what I was thinking too when they said they were looking at hundreds of thousands of cars. I HOPE that was exaggerated to make them look like they didn't know anything

Yeah, intuitively it hit me that way!