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To be honest I am worried that Nancy will not be found for a,very long time if ever.
I think they have their people and it’s coming. LE only get one chance to make this stick and with the intense media and online scrutiny on this case they need it to be rock solid. They’re gonna find who did this and bring Nancy home.
 
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I think they have their people and it’s coming. LE only get once chance to make this stick and with the intense media and online scrutiny on this case they need it to be rock solid. They’re gonna find who did this and bring Nancy home.
I hope you are,right but this,case is bizarre-- as far,as we know there has been no communication with the kidnappers and despite pleas from Savannah Guthrie and up to a million dollars for information as to her whereabouts dead or alive it seems there has,been no progress--- I hope and pray there are things happening we are unaware of that will end this mystery and bring Nancy home one way or another
 
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Random Things that puzzle me:
If she was asleep, how did the blood spatter containing mucus end up outside her front door? If this occurred while she was asleep, did she get up and answer the door and get punched in the face? If they pushed her back inside, disabled her and took her out through the garage in the trunk of a car, that would explain the blood and no footage of her exiting the house—I would think LE could rule out exit paths from the footage they have.

If she was asleep, and rudely awakened, could she have been startled and had a heart attack and died?

I tend to think it may be a woman; that mustache looks like it was drawn on by magic marker. Hard to tell with the low quality. Would a man wear a pistol pointing at his crotch? Odd placement. Perhaps inexperience? Would be odd for a woman to do this.
1. If there is no blood in the home, then it is possible NG came to the front door and was punched in the face there on the porch?

2. If she was frightened in bed by the intruders and died suddenly, how did her blood get on the porch?

3. I admit I had the same odd thought about Lantana Man being a female trying to look like a man. All the added on clothing. The double masks. Strange eyebrows. A mixture of gender behavior. And the crotch placement of the gun was a brilliant and humorous touch.
 
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I didn't know he was working to get his life on track?

He was just arrested 10 months ago (1,000 opioid pills + felon w/firearm 9mm semi auto) while on parole with a jury trial coming up on May 19, 2026 and that case will likely send him back to prison (he prior served 18 months in 2019). I mean I'm all for giving people a third or fourth chance, but idk.

Did he get the range rover back? (I think he said he did in the interview).

I'll be honest, I don't know a lot about him. I stopped digging into him after we were asked (by Sillybilly) not to continue to speak badly of him and his mother.

It sounds like his vehicle was returned to him, as mentioned in the interview by his attorney in this interview with BE. That's all I have to say on the topic of LD. If he turns out to be the person responsible for NG's disappearance, I will join the hoards of people who dislike him.

MOO

 
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Random Things that puzzle me:
If she was asleep, how did the blood spatter containing mucus end up outside her front door? If this occurred while she was asleep, did she get up and answer the door and get punched in the face? If they pushed her back inside, disabled her and took her out through the garage in the trunk of a car, that would explain the blood and no footage of her exiting the house—I would think LE could rule out exit paths from the footage they have.

If she was asleep, and rudely awakened, could she have been startled and had a heart attack and died?

How do the kidnappers think they are going to get the money and escape?

I think the demands for 100,000.00 was an idiot who was trying to jump on the bandwagon.

Jen Coffendafer (sp) flat out named the son-in-law and said she had fbi source that she trusted. I found that odd. The next day the sheriff said info from streamers was incorrect. Did the FBI asks her to do that to “rattle the cage” so to speak?

Two days later, LE impounded a vehicle from the family.

Someone mentioned that the Tucson Rock and Gem show was happening around that time; said Guthrie’s $$$ came from gemstones. Said neighbor was involved with the show.

I typically think LE has info they’re not releasing but I think an arrest would have been made by now—but without a body—can’t make a case.

I tend to think it may be a woman; that mustache looks like it was drawn on by magic marker. Hard to tell with the low quality. Would a man wear a pistol pointing at his crotch? Odd placement. Perhaps inexperience? Would be odd for a woman to do this.

Anyway, just some thoughts. So far the only fact I’m aware of is the video and the car being impounded.

Just some thoughts.
IMO, I think the blood/mucus could be caused by several things. If NG was/is a sound sleeper & didn’t have her hearing aids in, it is very easy to stumble when you are surprised. And, unfortunately, as we age our balance may decline. Especially since it’s been stated she has mobility issues.
 
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What reason had a restaurant worker to dispose of his gloves somewhere outside the building? It doesn't make sense to me. MOO
They were probably just in a dumpster by the restaurant and got blown out by the wind or animals/birds picking at the trash
 
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They were probably just in a dumpster by the restaurant and got blown out by the wind or animals/birds picking at the trash
I thought the same thing - it seems the most likely explanation. JMO
 
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Yeah, I didn't mean to imply that he (LD) deserves sympathy of any sort. I mostly just meant that if he *isn't* responsible for NG's disappearance and was working on getting his life back on track, that sucks for him.
Also attention creates self-awareness & if he wasn’t involved, he may have thought it’s time to clean up my act & appearance. Just a thought from having my photo taken at work to display on email by my name. Ugh! I needed a haircut.
 
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Wow, that sure was a Thankful Thanksgiving! Happy for you, you are a survivor! JMO
"Shellshocked" describes me for a very long time afterwards...
This case is one of the worst. Nancy could have been my mom.
I am truly heartbroken over this one :( PLEASE pray for resolution, then we will have acceptance.
 
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1. If there is no blood in the home, then it is possible NG came to the front door and was punched in the face there on the porch?

2. If she was frightened in bed by the intruders and died suddenly, how did her blood get on the porch?

3. I admit I had the same odd thought about Lantana Man being a female trying to look like a man. All the added on clothing. The double masks. Strange eyebrows. A mixture of gender behavior. And the crotch placement of the gun was a brilliant and humorous touch.
bbm
Are there professions, where a worker carries an important tool at the front of his belt? 🤔
 
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Which reason had a restaurant worker to dispose of his gloves somewhere outside the building? It doesn't make sense to me, unless he used the gloves outside. For what exactly, I wonder. MOO
These gloves blow around like tumbleweed in the desert. There were hundreds of gloves and contractor debris on the side of the road. They blow out of the back of pick up trucks, etc. They could have fallen out of the dumpster in back of the restaurant, during a pickup and blown across the street, etc. I use them and throw them in my bins and sometimes find them blown onto the driveway like a leaf. This kind of trash is sadly all over.
 
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I can't get the damaged Dodge Charger out of my mind. Isn't it common for perps to get into crashes from the adrenaline, distractions, and panic in the heat of the crimet? We see it all the time. What if that car was the one that should have been inspected? It was the vehicle he owned on the day of the NG abduction.

Perhaps LE was tipped off to check out LD, and since the RR was his vehicle on record at the time of the SWAT raid, they focused their search in the RR when they should have been looking at the Charger.

JMO.
I can't see LD being the person behind it. I was hopeful at the time, thinking maybe it was a chance abduction by local criminals, who'd be easily found out if they were investigated. I changed my mind before the interview, and am more certain now. It would have taken too much work for LD to have hidden everything from a SWAT team and an investigation involving the FBI. They'd have found something. It's someone else.

It isn't a random crime, and (speculation) was committed by someone who is, on the surface, a very unlikely abductor. I'm repeating myself with this point, but think of Luigi Mangione, who was identified by someone who didn't know him because photographs had been published of him in a cab, but not identified by friends and family. I think this situation is similar.

There is almost no chance that people who know the perp haven't seen the video footage, but the person they know is so unlikely a suspect that they may never think of it. If they do perhaps wonder about the visual match, they would think it's wrong to call him in, because it would seem absurd. I think it's that kind of situation. (This post is turning into a repeat of this earlier one.)

Not a known criminal, not someone living at the margins. I think we'll only know the true motive after an arrest, but I think there's some personal connection. The family knows his name, but they don't suspect him. It's ultra-creepy.
 
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Wow. This was amazing. JF was one of the former FBI profilers that BE had on for an interview. There are a couple of other episodes focused on Nancy that I also found interesting, but this episode is a message directed to the perp or perps.
Do you think their message will have the desired effect? I'm doubtful. Would love to know what the current FBI BAU people think. I'm guessing one or two are working the case. They have evidence that we don't have. Perhaps they'll release a public profile.
 
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Which reason had a restaurant worker to dispose of his gloves somewhere outside the building? It doesn't make sense to me, unless he used the gloves outside. For what exactly, I wonder. MOO
I would assume a restaurant worker would simply dispose of his gloves in the restaurant trash bin, rather than littering out his car window.

But now that I think about it, during the worst of the COVID pandemic I was living in a condo complex, and food delivery and cleaning service people were wearing masks and gloves. When walking my dog at a pond on the property, I would find discarded masks and gloves, which was littering and also unsanitary considering the pandemic.
 
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Which reason had a restaurant worker to dispose of his gloves somewhere outside the building? It doesn't make sense to me, unless he used the gloves outside. For what exactly, I wonder. MOO

Don't approve. However I can see a scenario where the employee changed gloves, placed the old ones in his pocket. He was walking along and tossed them.
 
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They were probably just in a dumpster by the restaurant and got blown out by the wind or animals/birds picking at the trash
or spilled when the trash truck came and emptied it
 
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Do you think their message will have the desired effect? I'm doubtful. Would love to know what the current FBI BAU people think. I'm guessing one or two are working the case. They have evidence that we don't have. Perhaps they'll release a public profile.

Probably won't have an effect, but I found it interesting anyway. I guess you never know - maybe the perp has seen BE's updates and has been following along. Who knows 🤷‍♀️
 
  • #42,359
There is almost no chance that people who know the perp haven't seen the video footage, but the person they know is so unlikely a suspect that they may never think of it. If they do perhaps wonder about the visual match, they would think it's wrong to call him in, because of how absurd it seems. I think it's that kind of situation
Snipped by me for emphasis:

It reminds me of when police in Canada were looking for the Scarborough rapist and put out a sketch looking just like Paul Bernardo (who was later charged and convicted). His coworkers thought it looked just like him, but nobody tipped it in because the thought of him being the rapist was absurd to them. They believed it couldn't possibly be him.
 
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Snipped by me for emphasis:

It reminds me of when police in Canada were looking for the Scarborough rapist and put out a sketch looking just like Paul Bernardo (who was later charged and convicted). His coworkers thought it looked just like him, but nobody tipped it in because the thought of him being the rapist was absurd to them. They believed it couldn't possibly be him.
Oh, interesting. I don't that case. I'll look it up later – thanks! That's exactly how this situation seems.
 
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