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Way back on Feb 18, a member posted the FBI-provided photos with "enhanced contrast" and was asking about an item the masked figure appeared to be carrying in his right hand. To me, that item almost looked like a closed umbrella with a handle that stuck out the side of the shaft at the end (with the person's gloved hand grasping it). There are what look like dark knobs around the close perimeter of the "umbrella" that seemed to me like they'd correspond to "knobs" at the end of an umbrella's spokes.

However, I also noticed that it appeared to me that the masked figure was carrying something in his left gloved hand. I thought it looked like some kind of formed metal extended shape (almost like an extended hood that might be installed over floodlights or over something else - and I commented so at the time). However, upon further examination it almost looks like it could be some piece of equipment or a tool and in context, I wonder if it is some kind of break-in tool (whether for doors or a safe).

I have attached a photo of my drawing atop the "enhanced contrast" photo and have also included notes as to what I think I am seeing. I've also included a cropped section to show you the same without my drawing atop it.

Following are the original quoted posts from the member (@scandiamerican ) who provided the "enhanced contrast" photos:




Curious whether others are seeing this too.
It's hard for me to make it out, but I do see a suggestion of his holding something in that hand, yes.
 
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DBM
 
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Some people have a way of compartmentalizing various areas of their lives. One compartment has nothing to do with the other compartments. It is possible the kidnapper is going about his life as usual. Work, grocery store, family, etc.
That has certainly turned out to be the case in other crimes.
 
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My theory (first try):

If the restaurant is across N's property, then in general a restaurant worker (or owner) would have been in N's area already and hadn't to drive up and down by night, seen on surveillance. His vehicle could have parked across N's property at the restaurant, from the worker's shift start to the time, when he would have needed it again.

Also he would have had the opportunity to stalk N's property by night, after shift end, a few times previous to the date of N's kidnapping. Again: his vehicle could have parked across the street at the restaurant, when he was scouting N's property. Again nothing interesting to be seen on surveillance, only a worker, who arrives for his shift and leaves at various times after his shift (as often usual for these people).

From Saturday to Sunday the time of restaurant opening maybe more extensive (Idk the restaurant), so it makes sense, when the attack on N started late in a weekend night.

A restaurant worker would probably know Nancy and her large property, maybe also knows of her Celebrity daughter. To get ransom could have been an idea, which developed more or less slowly. Debt, addiction to alcohol and/or drugs - who knows, how necessary it seemed to get money.

All MOO and speculation.
Interesting idea that ticks boxes, explains some of the known evidence.
 
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Way back on Feb 18, a member posted the FBI-provided photos with "enhanced contrast" and was asking about an item the masked figure appeared to be carrying in his right hand. To me, that item almost looked like a closed umbrella with a handle that stuck out the side of the shaft at the end (with the person's gloved hand grasping it). There are what look like dark knobs around the close perimeter of the "umbrella" that seemed to me like they'd correspond to "knobs" at the end of an umbrella's spokes.

However, I also noticed that it appeared to me that the masked figure was carrying something in his left gloved hand. I thought it looked like some kind of formed metal extended shape (almost like an extended hood that might be installed over floodlights or over something else - and I commented so at the time). However, upon further examination it almost looks like it could be some piece of equipment or a tool and in context, I wonder if it is some kind of break-in tool (whether for doors or a safe).

I have attached a photo of my drawing atop the "enhanced contrast" photo and have also included notes as to what I think I am seeing. I've also included a cropped section to show you the same without my drawing atop it.

Following are the original quoted posts from the member (@scandiamerican ) who provided the "enhanced contrast" photos:




Curious whether others are seeing this too.
I'm seeing: his fleece jacket is patterned! Wow.
 
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Interesting idea that ticks boxes, explains some of the known evidence.
If only they found Nancy’s DNA as well as the restaurant worker. I’m satisfied the LE checked his alibi.
 
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Yes they do. I would say 85 percent of SWAT/SRT work is executing high risk search and arrest warrants, as well as no-knock warrant. with breaching.

In this case I think the high profile nature of the case and that LD was a known armed felon factored in to that.
And, I imagine, a SWAT team may have been used in the chance Nancy was possibly captive in the house. Early days and we were all hoping for her to be found alive.
 
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My theory (first try):

If the restaurant is across N's property, then in general a restaurant worker (or owner) would have been in N's area already and hadn't to drive up and down by night, seen on surveillance. His vehicle could have parked across N's property at the restaurant, from the worker's shift start to the time, when he would have needed it again.

Also he would have had the opportunity to stalk N's property by night, after shift end, a few times previous to the date of N's kidnapping. Again: his vehicle could have parked across the street at the restaurant, when he was scouting N's property. Again nothing interesting to be seen on surveillance, only a worker, who arrives for his shift and leaves at various times after his shift (as often usual for these people).

From Saturday to Sunday the time of restaurant opening maybe more extensive (Idk the restaurant), so it makes sense, when the attack on N started late in a weekend night.

A restaurant worker would probably know Nancy and her large property, maybe also knows of her Celebrity daughter. To get ransom could have been an idea, which developed more or less slowly. Debt, addiction to alcohol and/or drugs - who knows, how necessary it seemed to get money.

All MOO and speculation.
Interesting theory. But by N, do you mean NG? As far as I know, the glove was found ~ 2 miles from NG's house. I think they were saying that the glove was found across the street from the restaurant, not from NG's house.

ETA: Here is an article saying that the gloves were found around 2 miles from NG's house.
DNA results from gloves found near Nancy Guthrie's home are revealed

JMO
 
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If only they found Nancy’s DNA as well as the restaurant worker. I’m satisfied the LE checked his alibi.
Yes I assume so too. Alibi checked before LE made an announcement. But I always like theories that stay close to the evidence.
 
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I'm seeing: his fleece jacket is patterned! Wow.
The apparent pattern may have been caused by the AI "enhancement." The camera involved is infrared, so slight differences in temperature -- or even differences that weren't really there but were a result of pixellation due to the poor resolution of that photo -- might have been amplified by AI and look like a pattern.

JMO
 
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Way back on Feb 18, a member posted the FBI-provided photos with "enhanced contrast" and was asking about an item the masked figure appeared to be carrying in his right hand. To me, that item almost looked like a closed umbrella with a handle that stuck out the side of the shaft at the end (with the person's gloved hand grasping it). There are what look like dark knobs around the close perimeter of the "umbrella" that seemed to me like they'd correspond to "knobs" at the end of an umbrella's spokes.

However, I also noticed that it appeared to me that the masked figure was carrying something in his left gloved hand. I thought it looked like some kind of formed metal extended shape (almost like an extended hood that might be installed over floodlights or over something else - and I commented so at the time). However, upon further examination it almost looks like it could be some piece of equipment or a tool and in context, I wonder if it is some kind of break-in tool (whether for doors or a safe).

I have attached a photo of my drawing atop the "enhanced contrast" photo and have also included notes as to what I think I am seeing. I've also included a cropped section to show you the same without my drawing atop it.

Following are the original quoted posts from the member (@scandiamerican ) who provided the "enhanced contrast" photos:




Curious whether others are seeing this too.

I'm seeing camo. I wonder if they have checked out folks at the air force base?

JMO.
 
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They were probably just in a dumpster by the restaurant and got blown out by the wind or animals/birds picking at the trash
I was driving behind a big dump truck today and a black nitrile-looking glove flew out of it and flew right past my windshield. Eureka!
 
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Timelines are being established, checked verified, and narrowed .. They’re aren’t looking for the regular everyday/everynight usual normal traffic. They’re looking for the anomaly.

Moo
I can't shake the feeling that the 'one bitcoin guy' was onto something. I do not believe that he saw NG alive in Mexico, I see that as a red herring. Was he involved? JMO.
Hopefully, LE has checked this out. Hope they did not just discard it.
 
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I'm seeing camo. I wonder if they have checked out folks at the air force base?

JMO.
Not shooting down your idea of it being someone from base nearby but camo doesn't automatically mean military. Most service members don't wear OCP pants with regular clothes cuz it's corny. Usually homeless people pick up these pants at goodwill or army navy stores. Also OCP pants have a billion cargo pockets that would be noticeable in the video without enhancements.

Source me cuz i'm in the Army
 
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I can't shake the feeling that the 'one bitcoin guy' was onto something. I do not believe that he saw NG alive in Mexico, I see that as a red herring. Was he involved? JMO.

Hopefully, LE has checked this out. Hope they did not just discard it.
Personally i believe all of the notes were from the same author. When this guy realized the family wasn't buying their ransom hoax, the author made up a new "character" who could give information in exchange for bitcoin.

JMO
 
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Thank you and I was not physically harmed at all but I know I kept my eyes on the gun and it creates compliance.

I think they purposefully harmed NG. I worry she couldn't hear to comply and they became angry.
My nephew is LE and he said any time he's taken a report from someone who was confronted by an armed person, pretty much all they see is the gun and to the victim it seems enormous. Poor NG. 😔
 
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Personally i believe all of the notes were from the same author. When this guy realized the family wasn't buying their ransom hoax, the author made up a new "character" who could give information in exchange for bitcoin.

JMO
Interesting. I hadn't thought of that. I do have an uneasiness about him though. JMO
 
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I always imagined NG’s initial encounter with the perp was in her bed, that he was in her room and she woke up. The dna of people LE accounted for in her home, I assumed those were from areas you would expect them to be in and around her home. Now, if there’s unknown male dna from the bedsheets, as an example, that’s a problem. IMO

 
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