Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[Cassie P]

And, I imagine, a SWAT team may have been used in the chance Nancy was possibly captive in the house. Early days and we were all hoping for her to be found alive.

This makes sense. If there is a victim being held hostage on the premises, they don't want her killed on purpose or accidentally.

 

[annpats]

I admit I had the same odd thought about Lantana Man being a female trying to look like a man. All the added on clothing. The double masks. Strange eyebrows. A mixture of gender behavior. And the crotch placement of the gun was a brilliant and humorous touch.

Ha, well, I didn't think we'd be going back to the idea of Lantana Man/Porch Guy being a female again, but here we are, and you know what....from what you've written above, it practically makes sense.

Weird padded clothing in a hot desert environment, could be trying to hide body shape.

Eyes, there was definitely something going on there. Very heavy eyebrows and eyelashes. Maybe mascara?

And a gun hung by the crotch would be fine for a woman, it wouldn't get in the way of anything 'down there'.

I never really bought the idea it was a woman, but you've made me see how it is possible.

 

[maskedwoman]

I posted this in response to Tricia's post about elder abuse and thought I should add it here as well.

Some of us assumed NG is well off personally. We don't actually know that, but it's an easy assumption to make because the house has a large footprint and is in a fantastic location. One option that I haven't seen discussed is that the perp/s might also have assumed she was worth quite a bit on her own and targeted her for that reason. Maybe they set up the bitcoin wallet to accept transfer of her funds, intending to empty it before anyone knew it existed.

Once they got in the house and found out she wasn't personally wealthy (also an assumption on my part), they might have pivoted to the ransom option. I think that could explain why it doesn't seem very well thought out. It was never the original plan. JMOooo

 

[annpats]

I firmly believe that the perp is a lurker on this site. JMO

What makes you think that?!

 

[heli]

I realize almost everyone says that LD couldn't be Lantana guy but when I see his interview that is what I see...lantana guy. He doesn't look at Briana in the eye when he says he had nothing to do with the NG case. I really believe he had something to do with it. moo

https://twitter.com/x/status/2028583982703747475

 

[abanddb123]

I realize almost everyone says that LD couldn't be Lantana guy but when I see his interview that is what I see...lantana guy. He doesn't look at Briana in the eye when he says he had nothing to do with the NG case. I really believe he had something to do with it. moo

https://twitter.com/x/status/2028583982703747475

So many things to critique about this interview. Jmo

 

[EyeCandy]

Interesting theory. But by N, do you mean NG? As far as I know, the glove was found ~ 2 miles from NG's house. I think they were saying that the glove was found across the street from the restaurant, not from NG's house.

ETA: Here is an article saying that the gloves were found around 2 miles from NG's house.
DNA results from gloves found near Nancy Guthrie's home are revealed

JMO

not that far away ...

 

[Cassie P]

Ha, well, I didn't think we'd be going back to the idea of Lantana Man/Porch Guy being a female again, but here we are, and you know what....from what you've written above, it practically makes sense.
Weird padded clothing in a hot desert environment, could be trying to hide body shape.
Eyes, there was definitely something going on there. Very heavy eyebrows and eyelashes.
And a gun hung by the crotch would be fine for a woman, it wouldn't get in the way of anything 'down there'.

I never really bought the idea it was a woman, but you've made me see how it is possible.

I don't think I commented on the first go round. Dismissed the idea. But it did occur to me. Since someone brought it up again I thought I would chime it.

I have commented on that phallic placement of the gun a number of times. As a mental health professional it bothered me, a sign of an immature, sexually aggressive and threatening male. It did not bode well for NG.

A male might have to tolerate discomfort with that gun placement as you point out, so it must have been important to him.

But a female trying to disguise herself as male wouldn't worry about that. And as everyone points out, a woman wouldn't put a gun in that placement. What better disguise then. No one would suspect a woman of doing that. The good news is the risk to NG would be greatly lowered if this was just part of a female disguising as male.

I have for some reason been thinking about a male/female team. It makes sense to position the female as the perimeter/ front lookout, and driver. She can also quickly take off the disguise and look like an ordinary female driving a car. She will be low on the suspect list. Male is in the house handling that part of the crime. And in the back of the car with the victim.

All this said, I have no agenda about this idea. Just thinking out loud.

 

[EyeCandy]

I still do not understand while the door mat and the the flowers were never taken. surely something of value had to be there .. also today I had to have an IV for EGD and they put it in my hand. They put a gauze pad and tape on it, but I was bleeding pretty bad out of it and dropped a big splat on the floor before we could get it rebandaged .. it looked just like that big spot .. my hand was down with the blood dripping down

 

[VeronicaVaughn]

DBM

 

[Chypre]

My theory (first try):

If the restaurant is across N's property, then in general a restaurant worker (or owner) would have been in N's area already and hadn't to drive up and down by night, seen on surveillance. His vehicle could have parked across N's property at the restaurant, from the worker's shift start to the time, when he would have needed it again.

Also he would have had the opportunity to stalk N's property by night, after shift end, a few times previous to the date of N's kidnapping. Again: his vehicle could have parked across the street at the restaurant, when he was scouting N's property. Again nothing interesting to be seen on surveillance, only a worker, who arrives for his shift and leaves at various times after his shift (as often usual for these people).

From Saturday to Sunday the time of restaurant opening maybe more extensive (Idk the restaurant), so it makes sense, when the attack on N started late in a weekend night.

A restaurant worker would probably know Nancy and her large property, maybe also knows of her Celebrity daughter. To get ransom could have been an idea, which developed more or less slowly. Debt, addiction to alcohol and/or drugs - who knows, how necessary it seemed to get money.

All MOO and speculation.

I agree, it especially solves vehicle issues. Restaurant employment has a high tolerance for different types of people so the perp would be a sore thumb with some other sore thumbs (at least at first). At least in my experience.

 

[Silverstorm]

Ha, well, I didn't think we'd be going back to the idea of Lantana Man/Porch Guy being a female again, but here we are, and you know what....from what you've written above, it practically makes sense.

Weird padded clothing in a hot desert environment, could be trying to hide body shape.

Eyes, there was definitely something going on there. Very heavy eyebrows and eyelashes. Maybe mascara?

And a gun hung by the crotch would be fine for a woman, it wouldn't get in the way of anything 'down there'.

I never really bought the idea it was a woman, but you've made me see how it is possible.

I noticed no breasts? That’s what made me say , no its a male.

 

[Betty P]

That has certainly turned out to be the case in other crimes.

BTK, Long Island Serial Killer Rex Heuermann, to name a couple of well known ones.

The Golden State Killer almost fits, but he had some chronic, psych and emotional issues in his normal, everyday life.

Both of the first two were very organized and compartmentalized. They were very controlling of their personal space and spare time activities. Both had locked, private places in or near their homes (garage/shed and basement room) where they kept trophies and spent hours planning and re-living their crimes. Both were adept at putting on a somewhat "friendly" or jovial persona when interacting with others. It didn't always fool people, but it was enough to make others distance themselves or avoid the killers when possible.

 

[Chypre]

I just don't think it's a woman at all. The frame looks like a typical medium build male with the thick longer torso, the chest/shoulder is strong. It almost gives off a wearing chest waders profile like something might be zipped in the front ab area. I might be wrong, it could be Minnie Mouse underneath.

Missy Bevers perp could definitely be a woman to me.

 

[Chypre]

I noticed no breasts? That’s what made me say , no its a male.

Even compressed the shoulders and arm proportions look male to me.

 

[EJB123456]

Ha, well, I didn't think we'd be going back to the idea of Lantana Man/Porch Guy being a female again, but here we are, and you know what....from what you've written above, it practically makes sense.

Weird padded clothing in a hot desert environment, could be trying to hide body shape.

Eyes, there was definitely something going on there. Very heavy eyebrows and eyelashes. Maybe mascara?

And a gun hung by the crotch would be fine for a woman, it wouldn't get in the way of anything 'down there'.

I never really bought the idea it was a woman, but you've made me see how it is possible.

BBM - it was still low 40s as a low temp in the Catalina Foothills around that date though. Pants and a jacket would be normal. (Arizonans would think 40 is chilly AF!) Arizonans will wear hoodies at 70 degrees. Brrr!

 

[porkypies]

I don't think I commented on the first go round. Dismissed the idea. But it did occur to me. Since someone brought it up again I thought I would chime it.

I have commented on that phallic placement of the gun a number of times. As a mental health professional it bothered me, a sign of an immature, sexually aggressive and threatening male. It did not bode well for NG.

A male might have to tolerate discomfort with that gun placement as you point out, so it must have been important to him.

But a female trying to disguise herself as male wouldn't worry about that. And as everyone points out, a woman wouldn't put a gun in that placement. What better disguise then. No one would suspect a woman of doing that. The good news is the risk to NG would be greatly lowered if this was just part of a female disguising as male.

I have for some reason been thinking about a male/female team. It makes sense to position the female as the perimeter/ front lookout, and driver. She can also quickly take off the disguise and look like an ordinary female driving a car. She will be low on the suspect list. Male is in the house handling that part of the crime. And in the back of the car with the victim.

All this said, I have no agenda about this idea. Just thinking out loud.

It's occurred to me that if Lantana man arrived by car/vehicle, and was sitting on the right-hand side either driving or passenger, or maybe even on the left, the gun in holster on his right hip would have been a nuisance and been pushed round to the front for that reason.
A bit like a cross-body bag is a nuisance in the same situation.

 

[buffalogal]

Ok, yes, you are right. The FBI and LE have to follow any leads they have. I’m just surprised about taking a SWAT Team for a home search, is that common?

We usually see SWAT when there’s a mass shooting, some hostages, people stuck inside of the school, can’t get out easily.

I was not aware they served search warrants like this, for a search of a property.

I get it, they thought maybe a slim chance NG was in there. I don’t think she’s in anyone’s nearby house, myself. But I do think the perp is very local.

If you know, Sakura, or anyone else, is this common to bring SWAT to a home search? In what cases do the Fed judges approve such a warrant?

JMO

LE is assuming they're about to serve a search warrant on someone they believe could be holding NG hostage, and in addition they know that person had at least one gun, so I wouldn't think it was over the top.

OTOH, if it finally comes out that he is cleared of any involvment, it's possible the initial tip was someone trying to get him swatted.

 

[Jenesaisquoi]

40 deg F = 4.4 deg C
70 deg F = 21 deg C
80 deg F = 26.7 deg C
90 deg F = 32.2 deg C

For the UK contingent

 

[Bruxer]

I just don't think it's a woman at all. The frame looks like a typical medium build male with the thick longer torso, the chest/shoulder is strong.

The shape, movement and the "bottom" just give off male to me.