Nancy Guthrie, 84, (mother of TODAY Show host Savannah Guthrie) missing - last seen in the Catalina foothills area on Jan 31, 2026

[shonyakay]

No, those could be cable boxes. I mean the entire circuit breaker panel including the main on/off is outside. Shocked me when we moved to Tucson from the Midwest/East Coast. I immediately thought thieves or pranksters could have some fun with that. Ours was on the side of our house on the way to our “front” door (which was also on the side).

Would this be what you are referring to?

This is the right side of the house. Lantana man appears on the door nest cam from the right side.

Edited: To add a Link

 

[SlimPickens]

I feel like with it only being a month into this crime and LE no longer utilizing the free national/worldwide media platform to keep this case persistently in the public eye, they probably have a good idea of what happened and likely even who did it. When law enforcement begins to persuade media to leave it likely means they only have to fine tune the evidence at this point.

If you really think about it, with a general public that is still on the edge of their seats (and are hungry to help), there is no way a combined law enforcement effort of this size and scope is suddenly going to stop giving press conferences and not capitalize on the free and far reaching publicity that could help them solve this case. That is, unless they no longer need to.

JMO

 

[snarast]

I despise those who target the elderly. It’s just WRONG. In so many ways.

 

[Warshawski]

Drug users often wear long sleeve shirts to cover their needle marks. We know he had at least one prior drug arrest. However, it isn’t common to layer up for this purpose. Wearing a long sleeve shirt and a vest on an 88° day in the desert does seem odd.

His attire was in stark contrast to that of his mother. She was dressed quite casually, in a knee length denim skirt and bare legs - as I’d expect for that weather !

And he didn’t just have a a jacket on - he had it firmly fastened. After he got ‘miked up’ he got busy doing all the buttons up.

 

[GlobeFireCandle]

My post earlier

I said the same thoughts...

I think they are still getting a ping from her pacemaker in the area

So they would know she is somewhere there


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I think if they got a ping using the sniffer, they would very quickly be able to pinpoint it by reducing the range.

Let’s say they got a ping with the range being 1000 ft (it would be an approximate circle with 1000 ft radius) then reduce the signal boost by for example 100 ft and see if the ping drops, if it does then we can go with the theory that the device is in that outer ring of the circle, you can then reduce the range right down and fly around the perimeter of that circle until you get a ping.

Hope this makes sense, I am not an expert by any means, this is just my understanding on what I have read about how it works.

 

[Cassie P]

Can he talk with this in his mouth? Did he say nothing to Nancy- just grab her?

1. Very good point, if he has two masks on and holding a small light in his mouth, how well can he speak?

2. Maybe well enough to yell out an order or two. This would be more scary for NG??? The perp not able to communicate well?

3. Or perhaps this was more of the disguise situation. NG knew the perp and the masks and light in his mouth disguised the voice a bit?

4. Again we have this theme of layers of disguise, perhaps even the voice.

4. Or Lantana man is only the outside lookout man. Someone else was inside with NG who can communicate clearly.

 

[Cassie P]

Would this be what you are referring to?

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This is the right side of the house. Lantana man appears on the door nest cam from the right side.

Edited: To add a Link

So first thing he does is turn the power off?

 

[FaviousM]

So first thing he does is turn the power off?

The power had to be on in order for the camera to get its footage to the cloud

 

[Cassie P]

I feel like with it only being a month into this crime and LE no longer utilizing the free national/worldwide media platform to keep this case persistently in the public eye, they probably have a good idea of what happened and likely even who did it. When law enforcement begins to persuade media to leave it likely means they only have to fine tune the evidence at this point.

If you really think about it, with a general public that is still on the edge of their seats (and are hungry to help), there is no way a combined law enforcement effort of this size and scope is suddenly going to stop giving press conferences and not capitalize on the free and far reaching publicity that could help them solve this case. That is, unless they no longer need to.

JMO

Maybe the media has a cutoff point. It may be expensive to send reporters and crews out in the field like this. Housing, food, travel costs. Especially when there is no breaking news items from FBI or LE. Also the public has a short attention span and has moved on to other news.

But I hope you are right that an arrest is imminent.

 

[Cassie P]

The power had to be on in order for the camera to get its footage to the cloud

So he deliberately leaves the power on? I wonder why he does this. Why not turn the power off?

 

[Cassie P]

Is this the neighbor that is also the gem dealer?

I don't understand the gem situation in Tucson.

The daughter has gems, NG has gems, the neighbor has gems? Do most people have gems in this town?

There is a big gem show every year with large amounts of cash or bitcoin.

Are precious stones mined in the desert around Tucson? Did NG have a connection to mines? Are gem robberies common in Tucson?

 

[FaviousM]

So he deliberately leaves the power on? I wonder why he does this. Why not turn the power off?

That's a fair question.

Maybe he felt he didn't need to and had accounted for cameras/alarms by other means

Maybe he isn't local and didn't realise the breakers were on the outside (I'm not sure if this is standard throughout the US)

Maybe the gate to that area was locked and he didn't feel like climbing over to access it

I'm sure there are plenty of other reasonable explanations but those were some that jumped into my mind

 

[Cassie P]

ETA: Lantana man appeared to think that the more layers he wore, the safer he was. So far, that has worked for him. But what's in those layers gives us some clues about him.

JMO

I think this is an accurate observation. He kept wrapping himself in layers. So this is man who felt vulnerable, quite worried about being recognized to and from the crime, or at the crime scene, or on camera.

Why did he think he needed two masks? One an elaborate skin/face halloween mask. Then another mask on top of that? So he puts on a fake face then a mask on top of the fake face. It seems over the top.

Is this the sign of an amateur or professional? Inexperienced or experienced?
What does it say about his thought process?

 

[Nikynoo]

So he deliberately leaves the power on? I wonder why he does this. Why not turn the power off?

I think he did leave the power on. My reasoning is that the Sheriff said in an early interview that 'all the lights were on in the common areas'. Why would someone turn the power off and then turn it on again when they leave? I'll try and find my earlier post with the link to the sheriffs interview.

 

[Oiseaux]

I don't understand the gem situation in Tucson.

The daughter has gems, NG has gems, the neighbor has gems? Do most people have gems in this town?

There is a big gem show every year with large amounts of cash or bitcoin.

Are precious stones mined in the desert around Tucson? Did NG have a connection to mines? Are gem robberies common in Tucson?

Yes, Tucson is a hub for gem sales and importing, partly due to the massive annual gem show, and partly because Arizona has a uniquely diverse selection of rockhounding and gem collecting opportunities due to its geology.

Gem collecting and/or being in a related business is not at all uncommon there, and for the most part pretty innocuous and unremarkable because it’s just a popular Arizona hobby. People like pretty and shiny things, and liking gems in Tucson is kind of liking cheese in Wisconsin.

Wholesalers tend to have a seasonal or year-round base there to sell to other businesses as well as individuals. Cash is of course a commonly welcomed payment, but I went to the shows multiple times a week this year and I didn’t see anyone at all who advertised or requested payment in bitcoin. I’m sure it happens, but it isn’t like some seedy market at the gem shows. It’s a big attraction for tourists as well as locals, from science enthusiasts to crystal healer types to jewelry makers and beyond.

I’m not aware of a gem robbery trend, though shops with big ticket specimens do take precautions, as you would expect for anywhere with pieces valued in the tens of thousands of dollars and up.

Jmo

 

[Cassie P]

That's a fair question.

Maybe he felt he didn't need to and had accounted for cameras/alarms by other means

Maybe he isn't local and didn't realise the breakers were on the outside (I'm not sure if this is standard throughout the US)

Maybe the gate to that area was locked and he didn't feel like climbing over to access it

I'm sure there are plenty of other reasonable explanations but those were some that jumped into my mind

Maybe he felt he needed light inside the house to abduct NG. Or to stage the crime scene in some way or take things. Maybe the mouth light was not enough light.

 

[Napoli]

There was no mention by Nanos that there was any person detected at 1:47 a.m. He only stated that the doorbell camera was disconnected at 1:47 a.m.
The only time Nanos mentioned that software detected a person on camera was at 2:12 a.m.

The FBI did not collect that camera off of the Casita roof until after Nanos gave that timeline.

In the very first video clip of Lantana man he clearly comes into view from the right side of the home - left side from the view of the door nest camera.

If the front door video footage is from 1:47 a.m. then where is the footage of the person detected at 2:12 a.m.?

A battery-powered Nest camera or doorbell (Like Nancy's) will continue to record events if it loses power or Wi-Fi, saving them to local memory for up to one hour. It will then upload these recorded clips once the connection is restored. They will also only record motion/person events.

BBM We havent seen that. .Sheriff's Speculation on Motion Alerts: Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos noted that while a sensor detected movement at 2:12 a.m., there was no saved video for that specific alert. He stated it was possible the camera was triggered by "something else, jmo

 

[Cassie P]

Yes, Tucson is a hub for gem sales and importing, partly due to the massive annual gem show, and partly because Arizona has a uniquely diverse selection of rockhounding and gem collecting opportunities due to its geology.

Gem collecting and/or being in a related business is not at all uncommon there, and for the most part pretty innocuous and unremarkable because it’s just a popular Arizona hobby. People like pretty and shiny things, and liking gems in Tucson is kind of liking cheese in Wisconsin.

Wholesalers tend to have a seasonal or year-round base there to sell to other businesses as well as individuals. Cash is of course a commonly welcomed payment, but I went to the shows multiple times a week this year and I didn’t see anyone at all who advertised or requested payment in bitcoin. I’m sure it happens, but it isn’t like some seedy market at the gem shows. It’s a big attraction for tourists as well as locals, from science enthusiasts to crystal healer types to jewelry makers and beyond.

I’m not aware of a gem robbery trend, though shops with big ticket specimens do take precautions, as you would expect for anywhere with pieces valued in the tens of thousands of dollars and up.

Jmo

Thank you for the information. So home robberies for gems is not a common occurrence. People mostly have reasonably priced gems. High priced items would have security or be kept in a safe.

 

[Cassie P]

I think he did leave the power on. My reasoning is that the Sheriff said in an early interview that 'all the lights were on in the common areas'. Why would someone turn the power off and then turn it on again when they leave? I'll try and find my earlier post with the link to the sheriffs interview.

Yes perhaps he needed light to do the intended job in the house. The mouth light was not enough. Explains why he double masked, he could be identified if the lights were on. But how much light do you need to take an older woman out of the house?

 

[Oiseaux]

Thank you for the information. So home robberies for gems is not a common occurrence. People mostly have reasonably priced gems. High priced items would have security or be kept in a safe.

You’re welcome!

Yes, Tucson for the most part is a working-class and university city. The really high-grade and expensive rock and mineral specimens are either in well-protected shops/storage units, or in opulent houses out in the desert that probably already have a good security system.