National Enquirer says:JC's Kidnapper DRUGGED HER & HER KIDS

[MBK]

He would have no reason to drug her later, but if he was doing drugs himself he would probably be making them available to others in the household, including her.

I disagree. He might have given a woman drugs to make her sexually compliant for certain acts she might have resisted in her right mind. Admittedly, that's a disgusting thought, but it's realistic.

 

[songline]

Where is your reference for that "KNOWN FACT". I am not saying that is not true, but intuitively one might argue that there are many rapists who don't have time or take the time to sedate their victims, they just use force. Please do not cite something as a fact if you do not want to support what you say with a valid reference.

I don't think making bucks off of Obama is the same as making bucks off a girl who has been abused and victimized for 18 years nor do I th ink we need to headline sensationalized media about Jaycee, then act as if it is factual when no one can even read nor quote what was actually said - this looks a bit like an ad for buying the NE in the next week :furious:

REPEAT...It is a known fact that rapists who abduct use drugs...do your own research.
We are not talking about a rape where he leaves the victim; we are talking about one who abuses the victim repeatedly.

JC story is a sensation, and that is how papers work
People mag made the most money on this.
I am node with your pulling hairs..
Not going there with you....the end.

 

[songline]

Yes, this seems like something Garrido would do to rape his victims or to make the girls more submissive, considering he's a junkie and he actually did this before as a rapist (Calloway with hash). And, I must admit, it helps makes sense of why the girls' behavior seem so different now versus when they were at Berkeley. However, I would not trust the National Enquirer. On certain stories (e.g., OJ Simpson, John Edwards) they are oddly enough the paper of record. However, they have already shown themselves to flat-out wrong with the business photo nonsense. And it's not like it was that difficult to figure out it was either not true or the source was not credible, yet they made it seem like it was true. Even if it had been Dugard, it was cruel to publish photos of a (child) rape victim against her will.

@JJenny: Even if Dugard was totally submissive to Garrido, it would still be rape, a violation, what he was obsessed with. I don't think he stopped raping Dugard simply because her resistance decreased or stopped. He already admitted to Callaway he didn't desire anti-female sadism *as much* as he desired total (misogynistic) control and he had that with Dugard as his captive. Personally, I think it's sadistic to control another human being that way, but it helps to try and distinguish his motives. In that case Callaway told him why not pull over and rape her in the nearby bushes. He flatly rejected that, telling her she had "no choice" over the matter, insisting on driving for hours to Reno. Hence, the bizarre world he forced Dugard and her girls to live in where he played "God."

Obviously, I doubt he was a benevolent dictator, if there is such a thing, considering that absolute power corrupts absolutely, but it seems Garrido stopped raping Dugard for other reasons than her being too submissive. Especially, since I'm guessing she was submissive from the beginning considering she was but a child who was desperate to just survive.

GREAT POST, GREAT OBSERVATIONS. :clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[jjenny]

I think it was only the berkley cops that said that. Everyone else thought they were shy but normal.

People who didn't notice anything was amiss and didn't turn Garrido in?
I don't think those people were very observant then.

 

[songline]

NE isn't one of my fav newspapers when I am looking for facts. But the thought has crossed my mind before.

It has been alleged that both PG and NG did drugs themselves. And PG did make Calloway use drugs when he had her. So it wouldn't surprise me to find that PG gave Jaycee drugs. First to ensure her compliance after the kidnapping, then to ensure her compliance and keep her quiet and keep her from running away.

Now it does surprise me to hear that he might have given the girls drugs. They supposedly didn't know anything. They supposedly weren't abused. They were already under his control. So if he was giving them drugs, he had another reason for that. IF he saw himself as their father, and saw himself as a protective father that took care of his kids, I don't see how he why he would give them drugs. Unless they were seeing him using, and wanted to be "like Daddy". Then he may have allowed them to share with him.

Normally I pretty much believe the victim, and Jaycee has allegedly made statements that the girls were not abused. But if he was giving them drugs, then to me it brings up the question of whether or not they were abused while they were drugged.

BBM.
Me too

I agree that NE is NOT the the best fact paper to go to.
But IMO for headlines right off the press, they are often the FIRST paper to go to.
The other legitimate magazines always follow.

I did not believe he never touched the girls. I always thought 2 things it was a dont ever tell threat, and a drugged them up and teach them that this is what God wants us to do. uke:
I always believed that some people who are abused, don't even know they are being abused.
I know a girl who was pretty traumatized by her father,,,
If you ask her till this day, she says he was not perfect but he was a good father --- FYI he did not do anything at all that a father does, but roll in and out of jail, and take advantage of her.
Sadly enough she has no other reference point. and while she goes to therapy and is asked - how did you feel when he did that, her reply is always, sometimes people make a mistake, but they are still good.... :sick:

HAVING SAID THAT: no I am not surprised at the early info that came out.
I am however sure that as time goes on...They will learn that love looks like what Terry & Family have to offer. And what the Garridos had done to them all is abuse.

 

[songline]

Yes, this seems like something Garrido would do to rape his victims or to make the girls more submissive, considering he's a junkie and he actually did this before as a rapist (Calloway with hash). And, I must admit, it helps makes sense of why the girls' behavior seem so different now versus when they were at Berkeley. However, I would not trust the National Enquirer. On certain stories (e.g., OJ Simpson, John Edwards) they are oddly enough the paper of record. However, they have already shown themselves to flat-out wrong with the business photo nonsense. And it's not like it was that difficult to figure out it was either not true or the source was not credible, yet they made it seem like it was true. Even if it had been Dugard, it was cruel to publish photos of a (child) rape victim against her will.

I've been kinda chuckling about the National Enquirer jibs here. My mother in law (the one with dementia) lovessss to read them and the globe and other exagerated tabloids, so I buy them for her when I see a new one. When I put them on the counter to pay for them, I turn them upside down!!! hahahaha, cuz I don't want anyone looking at me thinking I read that crap! And if the opportunity arises, I ALWAYS try to tell the checker "My Mom loves these", does that make me paranoid? lol Anyway, what I really wanted to say is that the quote above in red, is totally accurate. Heavy on the word "seem"!
That's how they make their living selling these papers. Doesn't mean they can't luck out and get something right some times though.

BBM
LOL I love the tabloids too: My brother walks in here and picks them up and puts them under the sofa pillow, so that the company wont think hes sister would read this stuff, then he puts out his own New York times. It is so funny...We both crack up... I could care less..... Don't matter to me what people think.

 

[songline]

It wouldnt surprise me if he did. If he had created his own little world in the back garden it would have been run by his rules, not society's. If he didnt see anything wrong with drug use he may not have seen anything wrong with those around him doing it as well.

It might not been quite as simple as that though, the house itself would have had to been kept drug free in case of a parole officer visit. But, since the backyard was "unknown" to the PO, it would have been a safe area to conduct those sorts of activities. So, if he was doing drugs in the later years the girls would probably have at least been familiar with them.

BBM
That is exactly where many pill bottles were...in his and Nancy's name In the back on top of whatever furniture you can see there.