Nationwide College Cheating Scandal - Actresses, Business Owners Charged, Mar 2019

Status
Not open for further replies.
  • #361
The students... kids HAD to know. They were taking individual SATs not in a group like their friends. They had fake profiles for sports, surely this was published somewhere at the school. At the very least the parents would have mentioned ...Hey, if you're ask you DO play soccer, tennis or whatever. The kids knew their grade status, they knew something was up.
JMHO
I agree- they should be expelled. They are responsible for the accuracy of their academic credentials, not their parents.

If my accountant put false information on my tax return and I sign it- who does the IRS come after?
 
  • #362
Having someone take the ACT or SAT for your kid (or changing their score) is pretty blatant cheating. This affects all applicants: not only does it take a position in a school away from a deserving student, it artificially inflates expectations and averages for test scores. (An honestly earned 30 doesn't look as impressive beside a paid-for 34 or 35.)

I know that this is a small number of students overall, but I think it could bring to light many more ways that students are fudging on college applications. I would love to see this scandal become a catalyst to bring more transparency to the entire process.
Of course, cheating is bad. And it's different than using connections for a boost.

But, yes, cheating is bad.

jmo
 
  • #363
I have a strong hunch that the timing of the arrests and charges in this scam is not accidental.

The SCOTUS is actively considering the Harvard/ elite universities case in discriminating against Asian students— setting limits for the number of Asians admitted. Etc. Arguments have been heard. Rulings due by end is session in June.

I think it’s probable that this case is timed to coincide with the SCOTUS decision, and “drive” the national issue of college admissions process into the public awareness. Force a national conversation. And I think that’s a very good thing.

I have said for years that the only fair admission process is one that is completely blinded. Applicants would be assigned a serial number. No names. No gender. No race. No names of high schools or identifying information. No addresses. Nothing that would confer an advantage. Admit on merits, grades, rigor of classes, test scores alone. I think ACT and SAT are moving in a troublesome direction. We may have to go back to each university holding their own admission tests, and/ or validating test takers with DNA accountability. Or retinal scans. Etc.
 
  • #364
I agree- they should be expelled. They are responsible for the accuracy of their academic credentials, not their parents.

If my accountant put false information on my tax return and I sign it- who does the IRS come after?

BBM.

Thank you! I was thinking I was the only one (other than my husband) with this response.

I don't, however, think the kids should be held legally responsible like their parents.

If the students think they rightfully should keep their spot, they need to make a case for that with their schools (and maybe they are). If they are not qualified for their spot, they can apply elsewhere. Plenty of people change colleges - that is not a hardship.

jmo
 
  • #365
I have a strong hunch that the timing of the arrests and charges in this scam is not accidental.

The SCOTUS is actively considering the Harvard/ elite universities case in discriminating against Asian students— setting limits for the number of Asians admitted. Etc. Arguments have been heard. Rulings due by end is session in June.

I think it’s probable that this case is timed to coincide with the SCOTUS decision, and “drive” the national issue of college admissions process into the public awareness. Force a national conversation. And I think that’s a very good thing.

I have said for years that the only fair admission process is one that is completely blinded. Applicants would be assigned a serial number. No names. No gender. No race. No names of high schools or identifying information. No addresses. Nothing that would confer an advantage. Admit on merits, grades, rigor of classes, test scores alone. I think ACT and SAT are moving in a troublesome direction. We may have to go back to each university holding their own admission tests, and/ or validating test takers with DNA accountability. Or retinal scans. Etc.
And don't forget about the huge business in essay writing. You can go online and find a professional writer to write your admissions essays.
 
  • #366
And don't forget about the huge business in essay writing. You can go online and find a professional writer to write your admissions essays.

Agreed. Which is why an essay, IMO, should not be part of the admissions process.

FWIW, I spent about 10 years on grad school admissions committees for 2 universities, for a highly specialized area of training. The rate of acceptance was about 20% then, and it’s only a little higher today. There is “unqualified”, qualified, and MOST qualified. “Most qualified” gets the seat when there are many qualified at the basic, lowest level.

Many of the “unqualified” were working toward being qualified, but weren’t there yet. This was about half of the total applicants. They didn’t seem to understand that they had to be *done* with certain things, degrees, etc. BEFORE they applied. Some really angry “entitlement” folks in that group every year.
 
  • #367
BBM.

Thank you! I was thinking I was the only one (other than my husband) with this response.

I don't, however, think the kids should be held legally responsible like their parents.

If the students think they rightfully should keep their spot, they need to make a case for that with their schools (and maybe they are). If they are not qualified for their spot, they can apply elsewhere. Plenty of people change colleges - that is not a hardship.

jmo
I am definitely looking at this as a "guilty until proven innocent" scenario. I would expel them for academic dishonesty and make them sue to get back in. Prove to us you didn't know and your real scores were not lower than the lowest person we admitted.

There is no way my daughter would have turned a blind eye to her score going up 400 points. I am shocked if someone at the College Board isn't also involved. A student in my daughter's class did have that sort of 400pt improvement and the College Board flagged her test as "to good to be true" and made her re-take the exam.
 
  • #368
My spider sense is going off at how forthcoming the "ringleader" has been. He plead guilty and is offering public statements for how he did it, taking full responsibility for all of it, and also adding that he did this some 761 times. That is going to be an interesting list when it comes out.

Why is he talking so much?

More than 750 families benefited from college cheating scheme, ringleader says
 
  • #369
  • #370
  • #371
  • #372
Last edited:
  • #373
Could it be as simple as immunity? Reduced charges?
Could be. But he pleading guilty to everything so fast...the WSer in me is skeptical about that. Is he hiding information about even more names of more prominent people? Or hiding guilt of someone close to him who he wants to protect from scrutiny and prison? Those are my first thoughts...though they are certainly not reported facts, just speculation and pondering. IMO only.

Whatever is the case, I hope it all brought out in the open so it can effectively be cleaned up. Shine a light on it.

jmo
 
  • #374
Documents reveal that Isabelle Henriquez gloated about cheating on the SATs after her parents paid more than $1 million dollars to get her into Georgetown University.

Henriquez and his wife allegedly paid Singer $25,000 to have a 'proctor' sit with her during the SAT exam in October 2015. Isabelle received a score of 1900 out of 2400, which was a 320-point improvement on her previous score.

Georgetown officials said they are reviewing details of the indictment and 'will be taking appropriate action'.

Georgetown student allegedly gloated about cheating on her SATs | Daily Mail Online
 
  • #375
(Snipped quote for space) my husband and I are delaying necessary medical & dental procedures, driving vehicles that shouldn’t be running and putting off home repairs so that our kids can attend our church-affiliated college.

Wow. I hope your kids appreciate that.
 
  • #376
That's one way to let your kids know how disappointing and incompetent you perceive them to be.
 
  • #377
The vlogger has an active twitter account.
 
  • #378
An Insider's Look at USC College Admissions - USC News

Interesting read from USC insider...

“We get an awful lot more applicants than most private universities,” Harrington says.

In 2016, that count passed 54,000.

Only 3,068 became Trojans.

BEYOND THE NUMBERS

In 1980, fewer than 10,000 high school seniors applied for admission to USC. Fast forward three decades, and the size of the applicant pool has more than quintupled.

Competition is fierce, and not just at USC. Experts note that the ease of applying to college electronically through the Common Application — as well as anxiety about getting into schools — means that typical high school seniors today apply to many more universities than their 1980s counterparts. ...

But the size of USC’s freshman class has remained about the same over this period. It still numbers between 2,700 and 3,000 in any given year. The chances of any one USC applicant being admitted has plummeted from 69 percent in 1980 to less than 17 percent in 2016.

So what makes for a successful application?

“Academic ability is the ante to get into the game,” says Harrington, who is also a professor of clinical management and organization at the USC Marshall School of Business. “It’s the first condition, but it doesn’t guarantee anything.”

Forget the myth that admission is all about the numbers. Says Timothy Brunold ’92, USC’s dean of admission: “This year, we turned away 3,000 people with 99th percentile test scores. We just don’t have enough room.”

ETA:
All the morning shows are expanding on the cheat story to include the limited annual admission, and resultant creativity among the competition.
 
  • #379
All of these parents involved should be SO ASHAMED. So many students are working their butts off to earn a spot that unworthy cheaters are stealing.
My daughter is a senior. She took the ACT 4 times, tutoring and practice tests to get her score up to where she wanted. She took all AP and dual credit courses. Has over a 4.0 gpa. Officer of 2 community service based organizations. Has been a paid journalist for our local paper for the last year.
We’ve also worked to save college money for our kids. It’s a start but financial aid and scholarships will be necessary.

She did not get into our state university (that IS implicated in this scandal). She was accepted into a program where she has to go to another university in the system for freshman year & transfer in to the flagship sophomore year. I see it as a way for them to guarantee worthy students coming in to replace the freshman dropouts that shouldn’t have been admitted in the first place. Ugh. None of it is fair, but she’s been awarded scholarships to other schools so she’ll be attending one of those instead. She’s a smart cookie, and she’ll be just fine.
People are so MAD because we all know how hard this process is and how much WORK goes into going to college. I wonder if any of these parents even considered that doing what they did was screwing another deserving kid? Did it even occur to them at all? :mad:
 
  • #380
Snip.

As a part of his guilty plea, Singer said he would pay at least $3.4 million to the feds, The Boston Globe reports.

Who is William Rick Singer, the college admissions cheating scandal's alleged ringleader?

.....

On Tuesday, Singer pleaded guilty to four charges: racketeering conspiracy, money laundering, tax conspiracy and obstruction of justice.

The 58-year-old could face up to 65 years in prison, three years of supervised release, a $1.25 million fine and a $400 special assessment

Sentencing is scheduled for June 19.

CEO behind college admissions scam wanted to help wealthy

.....


If I had this to look forward to I’d be talking.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
103
Guests online
2,928
Total visitors
3,031

Forum statistics

Threads
632,974
Messages
18,634,353
Members
243,361
Latest member
Woodechelle
Back
Top