NC NC - Faith Hedgepeth, 19, UNC student, Chapel Hill, 7 Sept 2012 #1

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  • #981
I agree that something must have popped off at the club that night. Mostly just because I miss thinking what would BE need to be comforting her about? "Please let her known you care" or whatever faiths phone texted gives me the impression that something emotional/"collegtown drama" must have happened that night. It would seem weird to me to be texting him just cause she's feeling ill from some alcohol. Especially since faith was there and could have presumably helped her.
I've wondered if BE and FH may have hooked up the night before when he was at the apartment, without KR knowing. And at the club one of them let it slip so KR was upset. KR and BE were involved or rumored to be at some point right? So maybe FH wanted BE to come reassure KR that their hookup "didn't mean anything". When BE failed to reply, KR felt slighted and ran off with JM. BE didn't show or call or text back (that we know of) until the following afternoon. And coincidentally FH is beaten to death by the time KR returns in ~7 hours. :/



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  • #982
I've wondered if BE and FH may have hooked up the night before when he was at the apartment, without KR knowing. And at the club one of them let it slip so KR was upset. KR and BE were involved or rumored to be at some point right? So maybe FH wanted BE to come reassure KR that their hookup "didn't mean anything". When BE failed to reply, KR felt slighted and ran off with JM. BE didn't show or call or text back (that we know of) until the following afternoon. And coincidentally FH is beaten to death by the time KR returns in ~7 hours. :/



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This does not explain the DNA that doesn't match anyone known, but I believe you are spot on in your thoughts on KR, BE and Faith. JMO

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  • #983
I've wondered if BE and FH may have hooked up the night before when he was at the apartment, without KR knowing. And at the club one of them let it slip so KR was upset. KR and BE were involved or rumored to be at some point right? So maybe FH wanted BE to come reassure KR that their hookup "didn't mean anything". When BE failed to reply, KR felt slighted and ran off with JM. BE didn't show or call or text back (that we know of) until the following afternoon. And coincidentally FH is beaten to death by the time KR returns in ~7 hours. :/



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I'm not buying the hookup thing. Do agree with this though --> "When BE failed to reply, KR felt slighted and ran off with JM."
 
  • #984
I just listened to the 911 call. I came away with the impression that Rosario was truly shocked and as things snapped into focus, she wasn't answering some of the questions because the 911 operator wasn't responding to the things she said and she was trying to communicate the scene: that it was no ordinary "I found my friend unconscious in bed" but -- she's dead, she's not on her back OR her stomach, she's half off the bed, she's not dressed, there's blood everywhere, there's stuff in the room that wasn't there before, someone has been in the room -- in other words, she's been murdered and there may be a murderer lurking around, so please get someone here and stop talking this nonsense about checking on her breathing. She was getting those bits out in pieces and the 911 operator was steamrolling over them (not criticizing the 911 operator, because that's what they are supposed to do, but putting myself in Karena's shoes).

I've called 911 and been asked "what's your location" and this one time it was tempting to say "I'M AT <THIS ADDRESS> BUT THAT'S NOT WHY I'M CALLING SO LET'S GET TO THE POINT! I HEAR SCREAMING COMING FROM THE PARK!!!!!!" Instead, I sort of dutifully but impatiently rattled off my address and waited for the 911 operator to ask me what my emergency was, but I was not in shock nor in fear for my life, so was better able to comply.
 
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13 questions for law enforcement (one can imagine many more):
https://faithhedgepeth.blogspot.com/2017/09/questions-without-answers.html

Great questions. The whole LE asking for new information every year baffles me. I know they want a tight case but at what point do they need to tell us more to be able to elucidate whatever lead it is they need to close the case? As is mentioned in question 6, I really think they clearly have lots of forensic evidence, just no one to tie it to sadly.
 
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This article says that KR was going to see JB, and that JM was only her ride. I don't think that's right. I'm pretty sure Lt. Lehew said on 20/20 last year that JM was the one KR had a relationship with, and I've always inferred that JB was just his roommate (though he was of interest due to his prior interaction with LE regarding his mother's boyfriend, and because his phone pinged the tower).
 
  • #991
This article says that KR was going to see JB, and that JM was only her ride. I don't think that's right. I'm pretty sure Lt. Lehew said on 20/20 last year that JM was the one KR had a relationship with, and I've always inferred that JB was just his roommate (though he was of interest due to his prior interaction with LE regarding his mother's boyfriend, and because his phone pinged the tower).

agree with you; I think all prior articles (if they mention it at all) talked of a relationship between Karena & JM, NOT JB... though it's difficult to ever feel certain about all the tangled relationships in this sordid tale! (and as you say, JB was of interest to LE for other reasons).
 
  • #992
This article says that KR was going to see JB, and that JM was only her ride. I don't think that's right. I'm pretty sure Lt. Lehew said on 20/20 last year that JM was the one KR had a relationship with, and I've always inferred that JB was just his roommate (though he was of interest due to his prior interaction with LE regarding his mother's boyfriend, and because his phone pinged the tower).

Agree with this. Article isn't correct in my opinion.
 
  • #993
I have followed this thread over the years and just reread the entire thread and 118 page document with search warrants. I have also combed through others' theories on the web. I have been so hesitant to comment here because I know my feelings are not in sync with many. However, I am compelled to mention them here now.

I have some experience as a criminal lawyer and it is my belief that things are usually not as complex as the years unsolved can make them appear. I believe that my antennae as that of others' here have been raised with respect to KR because of her own behavior and proximity to the crime scene.

I believe that KR and possibly others know exactly what transpired that night and the DNA as well as other evidence do not necessarily exclude them. Certain people's DNA would be found all over that apartment as it appears many people 'bunked' there over time. I also believe that taken in bits and pieces, the evidence can lead us to many wide-ranging hypotheses. Taken in totality, however, the evidence, behavior, phone calls, messages and dynamics of that night and those preceding tell a pretty straightforward story.

That story, in mho, is one of perceived betrayal and jealousy, acted upon and ignited by the accelerants of rage and alcohol. The answers lie with the group at the club that night. In my opinion, the answers lie with KR.

I think you are on the right trail for sure. People on here who defend KR often point to the DNA evidence, which is of course important, but they treat it as ABSOLUTE. If LE is carefully watching and building a case on KR, are they really going to say "The killer's DNA was found on the pen and bag, oh and also we found KR's on the pen and bag too". No, of course not. They are only giving the public enough info to say " we gave them info", and any person of interest or evidence pertaining to that person is naturally being left out. Think about the pen for a moment. Would a killer bring his own pen to the murder and leave it there? I'm sure it was a pen one of the girls used for class. So in all likelihood the pen has at least the same DNA as the person who left their semen and either KR or FH's, perhaps both.

My theory is, KR was there and may have even participated in the beating. As to who raped and delivered the death blow with the bottle, I think it could be a relative of KR. People wonder how a secret could be kept for 5 years? Friends get sold down the river, whereas blood is thicker than water.

Why I don't believe in the random act of violence by a drifter or person not connected in some way to any of the key suspects- Chief Blue said, when asked on 20/20 what he thought is the percentage of likelihood the case would be solved said, without a flinch, "100%". This could be police posturing like, well of course we will solve this case for this poor family after all this time, but I don't think that's it. If they genuinely had no clue who did this, they'd be more open with the public on the info they have and make a broader appeal for help. The fact they have been mainly tight lipped to me is very telling.
 
  • #994
Also this old Yelp review has a few pics. https://www.yelp.com/biz/the-thrill-chapel-hill

Twitter page also has a few pics in the media section https://twitter.com/thethrillch?lang=en

Also Facebook if you really feel like digging lol. https://www.facebook.com/pg/TheThrillatChapelHill/photos/?ref=page_internal

Hope this helps!

Thank you for posting these. From their FB page I found this, which I would assume represents an average night at this place:
https://www.facebook.com/TheThrilla...7114598340092/501374593247423/?type=3&theater

The reason I posted this is, if the butt dial called supposedly came from the Thrill at a time it was around this crowded, there is no chance you'd be able to hear anything but obnoxiously loud bass and music. I have a difficult time hearing what a friend, screaming into my ear from 1 inch away, is saying to me at 99% of the clubs I have been to. So how are we able to decipher, at the very least, some words and "argumentative" tones of voices, and even distinct male and female voices? I firmly believe that voicemail recording happened outside of the club, possibly in the apartment at the time of the murder. I realize this contradicts the LE public statements on where the call happened but I am thinking that could be a smoke screen? or FH's cell phone had a time stamp error
 
  • #995
Thank you for posting these. From their FB page I found this, which I would assume represents an average night at this place:
https://www.facebook.com/TheThrilla...7114598340092/501374593247423/?type=3&theater

The reason I posted this is, if the butt dial called supposedly came from the Thrill at a time it was around this crowded, there is no chance you'd be able to hear anything but obnoxiously loud bass and music. I have a difficult time hearing what a friend, screaming into my ear from 1 inch away, is saying to me at 99% of the clubs I have been to. So how are we able to decipher, at the very least, some words and "argumentative" tones of voices, and even distinct male and female voices? I firmly believe that voicemail recording happened outside of the club, possibly in the apartment at the time of the murder. I realize this contradicts the LE public statements on where the call happened but I am thinking that could be a smoke screen? or FH's cell phone had a time stamp error

If you look at the video of FH & KR arriving at and leaving the club, it doesn't look like it was jammed that night, at least not in all areas of the club. I think their advertising goes out of the way to make it look like it is always packed. We have a poster or two who went to the club regularly, and maybe they can weigh in.
 
  • #996
I think you are on the right trail for sure. People on here who defend KR often point to the DNA evidence, which is of course important, but they treat it as ABSOLUTE. If LE is carefully watching and building a case on KR, are they really going to say "The killer's DNA was found on the pen and bag, oh and also we found KR's on the pen and bag too". No, of course not. They are only giving the public enough info to say " we gave them info", and any person of interest or evidence pertaining to that person is naturally being left out. Think about the pen for a moment. Would a killer bring his own pen to the murder and leave it there? I'm sure it was a pen one of the girls used for class. So in all likelihood the pen has at least the same DNA as the person who left their semen and either KR or FH's, perhaps both.

My theory is, KR was there and may have even participated in the beating. As to who raped and delivered the death blow with the bottle, I think it could be a relative of KR. People wonder how a secret could be kept for 5 years? Friends get sold down the river, whereas blood is thicker than water.

Why I don't believe in the random act of violence by a drifter or person not connected in some way to any of the key suspects- Chief Blue said, when asked on 20/20 what he thought is the percentage of likelihood the case would be solved said, without a flinch, "100%". This could be police posturing like, well of course we will solve this case for this poor family after all this time, but I don't think that's it. If they genuinely had no clue who did this, they'd be more open with the public on the info they have and make a broader appeal for help. The fact they have been mainly tight lipped to me is very telling.

The DNA was from semen.
 
  • #997
Thank you for posting these. From their FB page I found this, which I would assume represents an average night at this place:
https://www.facebook.com/TheThrilla...7114598340092/501374593247423/?type=3&theater

The reason I posted this is, if the butt dial called supposedly came from the Thrill at a time it was around this crowded, there is no chance you'd be able to hear anything but obnoxiously loud bass and music. I have a difficult time hearing what a friend, screaming into my ear from 1 inch away, is saying to me at 99% of the clubs I have been to. So how are we able to decipher, at the very least, some words and "argumentative" tones of voices, and even distinct male and female voices? I firmly believe that voicemail recording happened outside of the club, possibly in the apartment at the time of the murder. I realize this contradicts the LE public statements on where the call happened but I am thinking that could be a smoke screen? or FH's cell phone had a time stamp error

I think the fact that the voicemail is decipherable is pretty debatable still. A lot of people don't think there's much to hear on that voicemail. At least in my opinion all you do hear is bass and music.
 
  • #998
This is interesting - there was an arrest in the 1992 murder of Lisa Ziegert this week. In 2015 a composite based on DNA phenotyping was released, and the composite did resemble the perp.

You can see a side-by-side here:
http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Lisa_Ziegert

[Caveat: I'm sure there is nothing in the composite that disagrees with the DNA data, but I have to wonder - considering the guy was the original suspect - if detectives gave some direction to how the composite should look]
 
  • #999
This is interesting - there was an arrest in the 1992 murder of Lisa Ziegert this week. In 2015 a composite based on DNA phenotyping was released, and the composite did resemble the perp.

You can see a side-by-side here:
http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Lisa_Ziegert

[Caveat: I'm sure there is nothing in the composite that disagrees with the DNA data, but I have to wonder - considering the guy was the original suspect - if detectives gave some direction to how the composite should look]

Unless Parabon is falsifying its data, there is nothing that would allow investigator tips/biases to leak into the DNA composite. The composites are created by datamining gigantic publicly-available datasets where they use multivariate techniques like cluster analysis or principle components analysis to look at the (sometimes many) genes that govern certain traits. Now that they've discovered the gene-trait associations, the composites are generated based on the numbers, not based on an artist's representation. Eye color is a no-brainer, but many other physical attributes can be determined with some degree of certainty based on various genetic markers. Environment makes a difference, so the composites are not perfect (e.g., weight, amount of UV light exposure/premature aging, hairstyle/artificial hair color, etc.), but as a matter of course, the genes generate the profile without opportunity for someone to change it based on what a witness might say.

Here are some articles:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1712479/
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1004224
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1004725
http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/07/forensic-science-justice-crime-evidence/
https://www.forensicmag.com/article/2012/08/forensic-phenotyping-21st-century-composite-sketch
 
  • #1,000
I think the fact that the voicemail is decipherable is pretty debatable still. A lot of people don't think there's much to hear on that voicemail. At least in my opinion all you do hear is bass and music.

Agree -- and the "enhancement" is questionable at best, IMHO. As far as I can tell, there's no science behind it, just some guy with some the ability to manipulate how salient certain frequencies sound and then using his subjective judgment to generate a "transcript". Apparently he's been allowed to testify in court, but I am mystified by the fact that a judge would allow it.
 
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