Found Deceased NC - Hania Noelia Aguilar, 13, abducted, Lumberton, 5 Nov 2018 #2

[zencompass]

Don't get to excited about tower dumps, i have had to look at them and i knew the numbers I was searching so you would think it would be easy, but no it takes days. They are usually in an Excel format, so you can put in a number or part of a number and do the search, but if you don't know the number you need to hunt for, you have to do a search on every number put it in a database that tells you who owns the phone. If it's a pay as you go phone, you won't get an owner. One tower dump can give you thousands of numbers to check into. And it takes days if not weeks or months to get the carriers to give you the data once you get your subpoena.

Dear Skully,

The F.B.I. has state of the art technical apps to analyze the C.S.L.I. Once the data is analyzed and categorized through the app, then the investigative team goes through the information. That is when they begin to find leads to follow.

In addition to the C.S.L.I, it is quite likely that the F.B.I. have utilized a cell-site simulator (C.S.S.). Under the circumstances in this case, there is absolutely no need for a warrant to proceed with this.

As per the following excerpt from the "Department of Justice Policy Guidance: Use of Cell-Site Simulator Technology" (pdf)

1. Exigent Circumstances under the Fourth Amendment Exigent circumstances can vitiate a Fourth Amendment warrant requirement, but cell-site simulators s611 require court approval in order to be lawfully deployed. An exigency that excuses the need to obtain a warrant may arise when the needs of law enforcement are so compelling that they render a warrantless search objectively reasonable. When an officer has the requisite probable cause, a variety of types of exigent circumstances may justify dispensing with a warrant. These include the need to protect human life or avert serious injury; the prevention of the imminent destruction of evidence; the hot pursuit of a fleeing felon; or the prevention of escape by a suspect or convicted fugitive from justice.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-cont...nce-Use-of-Cell-Site-Simulator-Technology.pdf

 

[Skully]

Thank you Zen,

I forgot they had the FBI involved. I am thinking of a small agency and what they have to contend with.

 

[PommyMommy]

Who owned the Ford Expedition?

Vehicle registered to VH of Summerville, SC, a relative of Hania.
SUV found, hunt for missing Lumberton girl stretches into the night :: WRAL.com

 

[Skully]

Did anyone do any maps of where she was taken from to where the van was found? Or what direction the POI is walking to and from? Just wondering.

 

[zencompass]

Dear Skully,

I understand what you were saying about the time and effort involved.

So glad you are on this thread!

 

[Skully]

They will be looking at every thing, from phones in her home or computers, any SM anything to see if she was a target. I find it convenient that the van was running for him. What are the chances? Given he was on foot.

 

[PommyMommy]

Did anyone do any maps of where she was taken from to where the van was found? Or what direction the POI is walking to and from? Just wondering.

Hania's home to vehicle recovery site: Google Maps

 

[Gardener1850]

Did anyone do any maps of where she was taken from to where the van was found? Or what direction the POI is walking to and from? Just wondering.

He was first picked up on video near Lambreth street walking towards the mobile home park, last address is the location of the SUV:
Google Maps

 

[oceanblueeyes]

LE have not called him a suspect. He might just be an innocent man walking to work at that hour. There is a chicken processing plant across the street from Food Lion. Or he could have been walking to the 24 hr Walmart market that is on Elizabethtown Road.

In general, people around here are very much afraid of the “law”.

Is this town known for having a high crime rate? I can understand someone not coming forward if they live a life of breaking the law and have a criminal history.

What I dont understand is why any innocent person wouldnt come forward so they could be eliminated.

If he was just walking to work I am sure others would know if it was a typical route he did every work day and would have already recognized him knowing this was just normal workday travel for him.

Since he has not come forward strongly suggests to me this isn't an innocent man on his way to work.

If that were the case he would willingly contact the police having nothing to hide and show them he went to work having the company validate that fact by showing them the time he clocked in and seen by other employees.

This is SOP for most police to say this even when they highly suspect the person they are seeking is involved.

They want him to think they need his help and only want to talk with him. They dont want to spook him or any family members that can identify him who may call LE to assist them.

Imo this is the one they suspect in the kidnapping of Hania.

Jmo

 

[Skully]

He was first picked up on video near Lambreth street walking towards the mobile home park, last address is the location of the SUV:
Google Maps

So he was most likely dropped off in or around that area. Then he takes the running van and the girl and get picked up at the drop off location. So while he is walking to get her, someone else is driving to pick up location. JMO

 

[Rainyday107]

We are recovering from Hurricane Florence. Many of the disaster relief centers that popped up after the storm gave out bandanas. Locally you can buy them real cheap at Big Lots, the dollar stores and at the flea markets. There may be a vendor at the Peddlers Mall across the street from the mobile home park. There is also a dollar store right there on the corner of Elizabethtown Rd and Linklaw.

They are pretty common around here with the farm workers and laborers. Great for working in the dust and grime and for wiping sweat out of your eyes. I have several.

ETA: they are cheap. Often sold at 2 or 3 for a $1 or $2.

It was the color of the bandana that has me interested. My family farms as well and if you handed one of them a yellow bandana, they would laugh at you. Nah. Just blue or red. Old school. Maybe that's just my community, but Ive never seen a farmer here (or a man at all) wearing a yellow bandana.
Do you see a lot of farmers there wearing yellow bandanas? Do the colors vary?
I feel like it was a bandana they had by proximity. Something lying around to cover their stupid kidnapping face.

 

[Rainyday107]

So he was most likely dropped off in or around that area. Then he takes the running van and the girl and get picked up at the drop off location. So while he is walking to get her, someone else is driving to pick up location. JMO

That makes sense.

 

[Skully]

That makes sense.

Yep and they head North on that long road that takes them back to the interstate.

 

[Skully]

they switch vehicles and you don't know what you are looking for on a video.

 

[Rainyday107]

IMO the man walking in the video is shorter and lighter.

I could see that guy being 6'. If he was an escaped convict, he would want blend in plain sight. When a car comes, he turns then raises his hand to smoke. Which also effectually blocks the view of his face from the cars.

He blends pretty well. That outfit looks like drugs were an issue at one point.
In the social work world, there was almost a uniform for drug users.
The women had the extreme top knot messy hair, the men had white shoes they kept as white as possible.
The white shoes. That's an economic statement. The shoes say "I'm a neat orderly person who keeps my shoes looking good." Nice shoes, nice guy.
By his crime, if it is this man on video, he tries to be organized but comes up short. Clothing and crime. Organized Disorganized. That's all I've got.

MOO

 

[zencompass]

For anyone not familiar with the "Stingray" (Cell Site Simulator), this device enables authorities to drive around certain areas to pick up cell data through a Cell Site Simulator .

The officers must be trained in this technology and unless there are "extreme" circumstances, a warrant is required.

It "simulates" a cell tower thus collecting the data from the cell phones in an area.


The device, Cell Site Simulator, is in the car of the law enforcement officer driving around areas where the suspect may be.

Unless the case is extreme, a warrant is required.

In extreme situations, such as Hania's abduction, there is no requirement for a warrant to do this.

The cell numbers are examined and analyzed from the data obtained by the Cell Site Simulator, which the law enforcement have in their vehicles, driving around areas they believe the suspect may be.

They can make comparisons with the cell numbers at the area around Hania's home with the cell numbers of areas where they suspect the perpetrator may be located.



Excerpt from a North Carolina news article (link is below):

"Cell site simulators do just what you might think they do - "simulate" a cell tower. They're basically decoys that trick our phones into connecting with them instead of the nearest, strongest cell tower.

"These are tracking devices," explained Meno holding up his phone. "This is emitting a signal. This is GPS."

How local law enforcement can track your every move

 

[Gardener1850]

So he was most likely dropped off in or around that area. Then he takes the running van and the girl and get picked up at the drop off location. So while he is walking to get her, someone else is driving to pick up location. JMO

Possibly. He might have done this all without a knowing accomplice, however. All he would have to do is park a vehicle within a mile of where he planned to ditch the stolen vehicle. He could probably do that a day or two before-- he could call someone from his car and claim he ran out of gas or his car battery died and ask for a ride, with a note on the car that he would pick it up the car in a few days. I doubt he still had Hania with him in the location where the SUV was found, unless he had other means to get quickly away from that location with her. Switching cars and possibly putting her in his own vehicle is more risky. I think he would have hidden Hania first and then went to the location he hid the SUV. He wouldn't want her to be easily found near the SUV site. If this was spontaneous with no pre-planning at all, he could have stashed Hania, stashed the SUV and then walked through the woods to another road before calling someone for a ride. The person who gave him a ride might not know anything or might not even be suspicious if he has a good story for why he needed the ride. JMO.

 

[Cj707]

MOO MOO MOO MOO

my gut feeling is that the guy in the video is the escapee and he is the one that did this.

MOO MOO MOO MOO

BUT...I have been wrong before!

He walks like he has no permanent place to go. I have known, personally, people that are basically homeless, no permanent place to go. Crashing at people's homes or sleeping on the streets. To me he is walking the town like the people I used to know. Just walking, in darkness. This is the vibe I get from this guy.

Has it been determined by you guys how far( as in miles) he walked in these series of videos?

You guys are awesome!

 

[Rainyday107]

LE have not called him a suspect. He might just be an innocent man walking to work at that hour. There is a chicken processing plant across the street from Food Lion. Or he could have been walking to the 24 hr Walmart market that is on Elizabethtown Road.

In general, people around here are very much afraid of the “law”.

Why are people afraid of LE? Do you mean specifically Lumberton or the general county/state?

 

[Skully]

For anyone not familiar with the "Stingray" (Cell Site Simulator), this device enables authorities to drive around certain areas to pick up cell data through a Cell Site Simulator .

The officers must be trained in this technology and unless there are "extreme" circumstances, a warrant is required.

It "simulates" a cell tower thus collecting the data from the cell phones in an area.


The device, Cell Site Simulator, is in the car of the law enforcement officer driving around areas where the suspect may be.

Unless the case is extreme, a warrant is required.

In extreme situations, such as Hania's abduction, there is no requirement for a warrant to do this.

The cell numbers are examined and analyzed from the data obtained by the Cell Site Simulator, which the law enforcement have in their vehicles, driving around areas they believe the suspect may be.



Excerpt from a news article (link is below):

"Cell site simulators do just what you might think they do - "simulate" a cell tower. They're basically decoys that trick our phones into connecting with them instead of the nearest, strongest cell tower.

"These are tracking devices," explained Meno holding up his phone. "This is emitting a signal. This is GPS."

How local law enforcement can track your every move

Thank you Zen,
I didn't read the whole article but do you know how far back they can get data? Like if I wanted data from a tower from 2 years ago?