Found Deceased NC - Hania Noelia Aguilar, 13, abducted, Lumberton, 5 Nov 2018 #2

[PommyMommy]

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HANIA NOELIA AGUILAR

 

[bestill]

Second half of this video is about Hania. Note the forcefulness of the FBI man's words about 1:53:

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I hope he is right.

And he said "the people" responsible.

 

[Skully]

I just went to look at Sara Graham's case from 2015 and Carbuff pointed out that in her case the van was left very close to where this van was left. I still hope that Sara will be brought home.

 

[HayLouise]

New clues in the search for kidnapped NC teen Hania Aguilar. Join us now on @SIRIUSXM Triumph CH 111 as we investigate. SiriusXM.com

Nancy Grace on Twitter

 

[Gardener1850]

And he said "the people" responsible.

Good catch!

 

[FactFinder3000]

Hey all, I found Hania’s mobile home on the map. Matching the video to Google’s street view, it’s at: 34°38'19.3"N 78°58'22.1"W

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Kudos on some excellent sleuthing here. I spent some time checking the trailer park next door, since that is where Hania actually lives. So this must be her Aunt's place, I guess.

 

[Andreee]

I think it depends on the thread. There are cases that are gang-related. We have threads about MS-13 murders and missing teens who were caught up in that gang. In those cases there is usually some info released saying they suspect the missing teen had gang ties. In this case they have said they have no reason to suspect a gang connection. LE have possibly acknowledged a gang presence in the area by making that statement. It's up to the mods to decide if we can discuss gangs in this thread.

Here are some threads about teens murdered or missing with a gang connection:
Recovered/Located - NY - Louis Germosen, 19, Long Island, 28 Jun 2018
MD - Damaris 'Alexandra' Reyes, 15, found murdered, Gaithersburg, 10 Dec 2016
IL - Darnelle Flowers, 17, & Raysuan Turner, 16, fatally shot, Chicago, 19 Aug 2018
Found Deceased - VA - Miguel Ruiz Carrillo, 18, Mount Vernon, 3 Aug 2017
NY - Lesandro Guzman-Feliz, 15, murdered by gang-caught on video, Bronx, 20 June 2018 *arrests*

In almost all the threads I'm finding the case is in a big city/very urban area and the missing teen themselves had a connection to the gang that made them either targets or made them go on the run because they participated in a murder. And it is almost always stated by family or the police that there are gang connections. I don't think anyone is suggesting Hania or her family had gang ties but I'm baffled by how much it has been discussed in this thread. JMO. I hope this is the last I post about it.

Ok, thanks for that!

 

[SandyQLS]

In the walking man video 3rd segment, cars pass by. Right away, a car passes going the opposite direction as walking man and that car is on the same side of the street. Later two cars go by and those are more clearly on the other side of the street and moving in the same direction as walking man. This leads me to believe that walking man has his right side to the road, and is holding the (presumed) phone in his right hand.

How do you hold your phone? Which ear do you listen with best? How do you observe others hold and use their iphone?

I am right-handed. I always hold all types of phones whether landline, old cell, or new iphone/android in my left hand. I need my right hand to dial, punch buttons, write notes, type text. My hearing is equal in either ear, but my left ear listens better to a phone conversation because of years of this habit.

It would not matter much if walking man is right-handed, but I wonder if he is left-handed because he holds the phone in his right hand.

 

[Inthedetails]

And he said "the people" responsible.

The little sister said "men" instead of "man."

I lean very strongly toward the plural actually meaning singular in this case. However, I want to keep my mind open. How would two perps fit into the facts as we know them now?

I don't see two men abducting Hania as the description was for one man - all in black and with the yellow bandanna.

However, I can see one being picked up, perhaps, and participating in part of the crime. And, perhaps being dropped off somewhere so he could get a car and pick up the other perp at the SUV dump site.

To me it seems like a one-person act here, but willing to hear other ideas! There are still so many gaps in what we know - plenty of room to try out different theories.

jmo

 

[Lillymac]

New clues in the search for kidnapped NC teen Hania Aguilar. Join us now on @SIRIUSXM Triumph CH 111 as we investigate. SiriusXM.com

Nancy Grace on Twitter

Am I missing something? There is nothing on new clues!!

 

[bestill]

The little sister said "men" instead of "man."

I lean very strongly toward the plural actually meaning singular in this case. However, I want to keep my mind open. How would two perps fit into the facts as we know them now?

I don't see two men abducting Hania as the description was for one man - all in black and with the yellow bandanna.

However, I can see one being picked up, perhaps, and participating in part of the crime. And, perhaps being dropped off somewhere so he could get a car and pick up the other perp at the SUV dump site.

To me it seems like a one-person act here, but willing to hear other ideas! There are still so many gaps in what we know - plenty of room to try out different theories.

jmo

Agree with much of what you are saying. As a late comer to the dialogue I am leaning towards a crime of opportunity not a planned incident. Who could have predicted she would be standing outside that morning at that time with a running car? After the fact is where I think the "people" come into play. Help with getting rid of her, hiding and dumping the SUV, etc...I am still inclined to think sex trafficking is part of this too. I so hope not! The more days that pass the worse the outcome in my opinion. I don't see a guy that's walking in the early morning hours who steals an SUV and kidnaps a young girl as wanting to keep her around for a long time.

 

[CuriousMaine]

My apologies if this is a duplicate post.

Has it been reported elsewhere that Ft. Bragg MPI's are involved? Is that typical for the area?

Officials seek to talk to neighbors of Lumberton teen, who has been missing for a week

 

[Gardener1850]

The little sister said "men" instead of "man."

I lean very strongly toward the plural actually meaning singular in this case. However, I want to keep my mind open. How would two perps fit into the facts as we know them now?

I don't see two men abducting Hania as the description was for one man - all in black and with the yellow bandanna.

However, I can see one being picked up, perhaps, and participating in part of the crime. And, perhaps being dropped off somewhere so he could get a car and pick up the other perp at the SUV dump site.

To me it seems like a one-person act here, but willing to hear other ideas! There are still so many gaps in what we know - plenty of room to try out different theories.

jmo

After listening to the little sister several times, I think she was actually misquoted by the press. I hear her say "the man came in and he took her away..." in this video:

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That said, it is curious that the FBI agent said "people responsible". This was after they found the car. Perhaps they have evidence that shows someone else was there? Perhaps they have more than one man's fingerprints or DNA in the car? Or perhaps cigarettes were found near the car that were more than one brand and having distinct DNA? Or maybe they have something that indicates the suspect had to have gotten a ride out of the area. Someone might have helped the suspect only by giving a ride or only by ditching the car for them. If that hypothetical person does not come forward that person can be charged for aiding and abetting. JMO.

 

[SharonNeedles]

Kudos on some excellent sleuthing here. I spent some time checking the trailer park next door, since that is where Hania actually lives. So this must be her Aunt's place, I guess.

Hania lives in the adjacent trailer park? I must have missed that... Any idea how often she stays at her aunts, how long this has been going on, and why?

If this is a random crime of opportunity none of that matters I guess, but I’m still getting the impression Hania was specifically targeted.

 

[PommyMommy]

The little sister said "men" instead of "man."

I lean very strongly toward the plural actually meaning singular in this case. However, I want to keep my mind open. How would two perps fit into the facts as we know them now?

I don't see two men abducting Hania as the description was for one man - all in black and with the yellow bandanna.

However, I can see one being picked up, perhaps, and participating in part of the crime. And, perhaps being dropped off somewhere so he could get a car and pick up the other perp at the SUV dump site.

To me it seems like a one-person act here, but willing to hear other ideas! There are still so many gaps in what we know - plenty of room to try out different theories.

jmo

Statistically speaking, a little over 1/2 of carjackings are committed by more than one person, but I don't see evidence of that here either. Yet, anyway. MOO

 

[PommyMommy]

My apologies if this is a duplicate post.

Has it been reported elsewhere that Ft. Bragg MPI's are involved? Is that typical for the area?

Officials seek to talk to neighbors of Lumberton teen, who has been missing for a week

Yes.

"In a statement by the FBI, they urged the need to talk to everyone who lives near Rosewood Mobile Home Park & Quincey Drive in Lumberton. The FBI along with multiple teams of investigators and agents with the Moore County Sheriff's Office, Lumberton Police Department and Fort Bragg Military Police Investigations, are waking in the neighborhood to make contact with everyone. They believe someone may have important information to help bring Hania home."
FBI Releases New Photos Of Hania Aguilar, Reward Increased To $20K For Tips

 

[Gardener1850]

Am I missing something? There is nothing on new clues!!

I think it's just Nancy Grace's usual teasing to get listeners for her show. She either has nothign new or she will have a guest expert of some sort to give "new" analysis to the case. She has been known to release incorrect "insider info" in other cases as a "bombshell". For that reason, I take what she says with a grain of salt, but she does occasionally get interviews with friends or family members that other reporters do not have. JMO.

 

[Lillymac]

After listening to the little sister several times, I think she was actually misquoted by the press. I hear her say "the man came in and he took her away..." in this video:

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That said, it is curious that the FBI agent said "people responsible". This was after they found the car. Perhaps they have evidence that shows someone else was there? Perhaps they have more than one man's fingerprints or DNA in the car? Or perhaps cigarettes were found near the car that were more than one brand and having distinct DNA? Or maybe they have something that indicates the suspect had to have gotten a ride out of the area. Someone might have helped the suspect only by giving a ride or only by ditching the car for them. If that hypothetical person does not come forward that person can be charged for aiding and abetting. JMO.

Yes, she does say man. And she also says he.

 

[carbuff]

Around here, the high-end shopping mall is often targeted by smash-and-grab thieves. Commonly the thief grabs all the jewelry, expensive handbags, or whatever that they can carry, runs out the nearest door, and takes the first running car they come to. They either throw the driver out or force the driver to take them a short distance where the accomplice is waiting in a second car. (Note this is the singular "they" indicating that the thief's gender is unknown.) They abandon the first car there and head out. (This is the normal plural "they" meaning accomplice and thief.)

I can see that being the case here. Not wedded to the idea however.

 

[MimosaMornings]

Any mention of her father? I saw something from a stepfather but with all the different last names I can’t figure out who is who.

Any of her cousins look similar to Hania? Since she wasn’t at her house but at an aunts house and it mentioned her cousins. Perhaps mistaken for one of them? Was her little sister at the aunts too?

I thought Hania lived next to the aunt? But now it’s the next trailer park? I’m confused.