Found Deceased NC - Hania Noelia Aguilar, 13, abducted, Lumberton, 5 Nov 2018 #2

[Lillymac]

I think it's just Nancy Grace's usual teasing to get listeners for her show. She either has nothign new or she will have a guest expert of some sort to give "new" analysis to the case. She has been known to release incorrect "insider info" in other cases as a "bombshell". For that reason, I take what she says with a grain of salt, but she does occasionally get interviews with friends or family members that other reporters do not have. JMO.

Thanks. The link just displays ads for Sirius.

 

[bestill]

Have area sex offenders been discussed? There is one that is very close to where she disappeared.

 

[CuriousMaine]

Yes.

"In a statement by the FBI, they urged the need to talk to everyone who lives near Rosewood Mobile Home Park & Quincey Drive in Lumberton. The FBI along with multiple teams of investigators and agents with the Moore County Sheriff's Office, Lumberton Police Department and Fort Bragg Military Police Investigations, are waking in the neighborhood to make contact with everyone. They believe someone may have important information to help bring Hania home."
FBI Releases New Photos Of Hania Aguilar, Reward Increased To $20K For Tips

Thank you. Perhaps they call them in whenever they need extra people to cover a lot of ground.

 

[Gardener1850]

Yes.

"In a statement by the FBI, they urged the need to talk to everyone who lives near Rosewood Mobile Home Park & Quincey Drive in Lumberton. The FBI along with multiple teams of investigators and agents with the Moore County Sheriff's Office, Lumberton Police Department and Fort Bragg Military Police Investigations, are waking in the neighborhood to make contact with everyone. They believe someone may have important information to help bring Hania home."
FBI Releases New Photos Of Hania Aguilar, Reward Increased To $20K For Tips

Hania's mom said Hania wants to be a Marine when she grows up. I wonder if she has relatives in the military already that may have influenced that desire? Or could it be due to the recent hurricanes? Military forces are often sent in after hurricanes to help distribute supplies and keep the community safe. If community members have had positive interactions with the military in the past, perhaps the FBI thought people would be more likely to talk to military officers than the FBI or local LEOs? IDK, just speculating.

 

[sloothseeker]

Hania's mom said Hania wants to be a Marine when she grows up. I wonder if she has relatives in the military already that may have influenced that desire? Or could it be due to the recent hurricanes? Military forces are often sent in after hurricanes to help distribute supplies and keep the community safe. If community members have had positive interactions with the military in the past, perhaps the FBI thought people would be more likely to talk to military officers than the FBI or local LEOs? IDK, just speculating.

Fort Bragg Military base, Fayetteville is only 35 miles away

 

[carmenugt]

Agree

Magz, girl, you know I respect your opinion and experience and I think you often have great insight and ideas. However, I have to disagree here. LE have said they have nothing to indicate this crime is gang related. They found the car and Hania wasn't in it. Respectfully, I don't think he wanted the car. Hania was not let out on a corner somewhere once the man was safely away (or else she would have been found). He had no reason to force her into the car if he only wanted the car. He didn't need a hostage to insure his escape from somewhere. No other major crimes (that we know about) happened right before he took Hania. I think the carjacking was simply a handy means of taking Hania away quickly. I think she was the target, not the car.

Do you remember the little 4 year old who was abducted from SC after the man beat and raped her mom? We were talking about it in Jayme's thread. I don't know if you got a chance to read that case or not, anyway-- The 4 year old was taken away in a stolen car too-- but it wasn't stolen from her family it was stolen from the perp's "girlfriend," who is still missing. My point is, it is not uncommon for an abductor to steal a car to commit his crime. The only thing in this case that is unusual is that the car was also the family vehicle and happened to be already running with no adults in or near it and a child was standing right there. He took a big risk, but it's possible he simply saw an opportunity to abduct Hania with the car and took it. JMO.

As for the bandanna, migrant workers or people who do heavy labor wear and carry bandanas. If you have ever worked in the sun in 100 degree temps with 95% humidity you would want to have something to wipe the sweat from your brow or keep your sweat-drenched hair out of your face. If you have ever worked a landscaping job or a farm job you might want a bandana to cover your nose and mouth in case the wind shifts, so you don't end up tasting chemicals or breathing in dust and debris from a leave blower. It's very common for a laborer to carry something like that IME. Criminals in warm climate rural areas realize this is a common item to own and it is also handy for concealing their identify (they might even be laborers by day and criminals at night). Criminals will use them when robbing banks or other crimes where they don't want their face on camera. Just google "bank robber wore bandana" (or bandanna-- it's spelled both ways) and you will see many cases where LE is asking for help ID'ing the suspect.

Finally, locals have reported that people in the area doing hurricane clean up handed out free bandanas. I did a search and found articles showing at least two hurricane clean up volunteer groups that wore yellow for their group colors. I didn't see any yellow bandanas (so I'm not going to link to the MSM as they may not be relevant and there is no need to name volunteer groups IMO) but that is not to say they didn't hand out yellow bandanas while their groups were in town. Most the media coverage focused on the more essential items given out like food and water, and repairing damage. MOO.

 

[Shin Masamura]

Found this from the same reporter that was at Hania residence,Gilbert Baez
Suv hidden in the brush as well..

 

[Shin Masamura]

Also, not sure if this is relevant but look at the similarities in Lumberton Officials: Mexican drug cartel may be involved in Mebane kidnapping; 2 charged

 

[carmenugt]

Just a quick note to help put the crime rate discussion into perspective. Yes, Lumberton has a high crime rate, but it’s not like everyone is walking around afraid for their lives every day. Looking at the raw data from 2016 (2017 is in the process of being released). There were 393 to 395 violent crimes reported. That number is made up of 9 murders, 5 - 7 rapes, 119 violent robberies and 222 assaults. (Of course rapes are always under reported.). http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Lumberton-North-Carolina.html

This website shows the crime rate by the sections of town: Lumberton, NC Crime Rates and Statistics - NeighborhoodScout

The crime rate in the area that Hania lives is high, but not the highest in the city.

The majority of the violent crimes are drug related. So the people that don’t partispate in the drug culture are rarely victims.

The population is poor and money is a big motivator for crimes like robbery. It is often drug addicts that commit robberies to get their next fix. The robberies that take place are usually done when people are not home. In 2016 there was a surge in robberies after hurricane Matthew when people were in shelters and homes were left empty. There has been another increase in robberies here since Florence hit this year.

The crime listing someone posted was from 2016. Almost 3 years ago. In 2014 , Lumberton created a task force. In the article , I read the gang activity largely focused on money for drugs and were young adults. They did state that the task force was successful in reducing crimes. I could not find any crime statistics for 2017. The murders were usually sex workers who were on drugs or drug related. I didn't see anything about abductions.

 

[carmenugt]

Also, not sure if this is relevant but look at the similarities in Lumberton Officials: Mexican drug cartel may be involved in Mebane kidnapping; 2 charged[/QUOT
There is no indication that even remotely suggests that this family or child is involved in drug trafficking.

 

[margarita25]

Also, not sure if this is relevant but look at the similarities in Lumberton Officials: Mexican drug cartel may be involved in Mebane kidnapping; 2 charged

Omg. Good find, Masamura!
That’s crazy! The similarities! Of course it’s likely unrelated, but wow:

“and a 15-year-old boy.

“took place around 10:15 p.m. in the driveway of a home located at 1322 Mebane Oaks Road, near a Walmart off Interstate 40, the sheriff's office said.”

Carjacked in their own vehicle

Later found the car deserted

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Interesting to note the similar MOs.

 

[carmenugt]

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[Shin Masamura]

Not saying there is, saying the circumstance of carjacking, kidnapping, and abandoning vehicle..... in Lumberton

 

[Kristineellen]

As someone who lives in the area, it is most definitely high crime. A lot of drug activity. However, with that said, abductions are not something that happen. So we can sit there and say the area isn’t “desirable”, it’s not like this is a normal occurrence.

Yes fort Bragg is nearby. I don’t know if I would say that has any connection to it. Lumberton was SEVERELY under water with this last hurricane. There were a lot of people in and out of that town.

There have been three women (I believe) that we’re missing and found dead. They all have a history of drug abuse. I wouldn’t connect these two at all.

 

[Shin Masamura]

???

 

[Shin Masamura]

As someone who lives in the area, it is most definitely high crime. A lot of drug activity. However, with that said, abductions are not something that happen. So we can sit there and say the area isn’t “desirable”, it’s not like this is a normal occurrence.

Yes fort Bragg is nearby. I don’t know if I would say that has any connection to it. Lumberton was SEVERELY under water with this last hurricane. There were a lot of people in and out of that town.

There have been three women (I believe) that we’re missing and found dead. They all have a history of drug abuse. I wouldn’t connect these two at all.

So true, that is why I posted a similar abduction in the area to draw a parallel.. not to victim blame. If we can't separate "True" crime and "hypothetical" then im not sure what to tell you both. If I was pulling an example of somewhere NOT Lumberton, id understand. Also, people that are victims of gang violence, may not be involved themselves. Maybe wrong place, at the wrong time.. much like it seems here.

 

[margarita25]

There is no indication that even remotely suggests that this family or child is involved in drug trafficking

He/she didn’t say there was.

A similar incident that occurred in the area is simply being brought to the table as the MOs of kidnapping and carjacking and abandoning vehicle are similar.

Again good insight into to the type of person who might have committed this crime.

 

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[Gardener1850]

As someone who lives in the area, it is most definitely high crime. A lot of drug activity. However, with that said, abductions are not something that happen. So we can sit there and say the area isn’t “desirable”, it’s not like this is a normal occurrence.

Yes fort Bragg is nearby. I don’t know if I would say that has any connection to it. Lumberton was SEVERELY under water with this last hurricane. There were a lot of people in and out of that town.

There have been three women (I believe) that we’re missing and found dead. They all have a history of drug abuse. I wouldn’t connect these two at all.

Welcome Kristineellen! Thank you for your local insights. I agree, I think the 3 women found deceased under suspicious circumstances are probably unrelated to this case. We have a thread for their case here: Found Deceased - NC - Megan Oxendine, 28, Christina Bennett, 32, and Rhonda Jones, 36, Lumberton, Apr/Jun 2017
I think everyone should at least watch the Inside Edition episode on the 3 women who died (it's in the first post there). It really showed me how much those women were loved by their community and family, even though they had drug issues and had been involved in prostitution. But what also struck me was that they think the 3rd victim may have been murdered because she knew something about the first two. I don't think there is a connection to Hania's abduction but reading about that case could give insight into why people in Lumberton are afraid to speak to the press and afraid to speak to the police. What do you think? Are average citizens who are not undocumented or not criminals also afraid to speak up due to a fear of retaliation from an unknown criminal(s)?