Found Deceased NC - Hania Noelia Aguilar, 13, abducted, Lumberton, 5 Nov 2018 #3

[Gardener1850]

“Social media can be cruel,” the FBI Charlotte field office said in a tweet, referencing a statement, handwritten in spanish, made by her mother. “Hania Aguilar is still missing,” it said. “Support this Mother, her daughter was kidnapped.”

FBI Blasts Online Cruelty As Search For Missing NC Girl Continues

 

[MsFacetious]

I guess I'm missing something because I don't see the big deal about the pictures the day before she was abducted. They just look like regular pictures. They aren't professional at all.

It seems like it's similar to other pictures we've seen of her, except the ottoman. Maybe there were pictures taken of all the kids on the ottoman that day? Maybe it was new and they took pictures before taking it inside?

I'm just not seeing it as an enormous deal. I highly doubt that it has anything to do with her abduction. I highly doubt someone spotted that picture and in under 24 hours abducted her. Yes it's unusual timing that pictures were taken in the 24 hours before the disappearance but we've seen that in lots of these cases.

Maybe I'm just not a neutral party on this topic since I'm a photographer.

 

[Gardener1850]

I guess I'm missing something because I don't see the big deal about the pictures the day before she was abducted. They just look like regular pictures. They aren't professional at all.

It seems like it's similar to other pictures we've seen of her, except the ottoman. Maybe there were pictures taken of all the kids on the ottoman that day? Maybe it was new and they took pictures before taking it inside?

I'm just not seeing it as an enormous deal. I highly doubt that it has anything to do with her abduction. I highly doubt someone spotted that picture and in under 24 hours abducted her. Yes it's unusual timing that pictures were taken in the 24 hours before the disappearance but we've seen that in lots of these cases.

Maybe I'm just not a neutral party on this topic since I'm a photographer.

I completely agree with you. And in this day and age where almost everyone has a smartphone with a camera most people take pictures of their kids almost daily. Or teens take pictures of each other. If it was 1970 I might say, "wait a minute, who had a camera and was it a special occasion?" But it's 2018 and everyone with a phone thinks they are a photographer. And kids learn very early on to naturally strike a "pose" for photos. I don't even find her poses to be "model like". She just seems to be sitting on the ottoman and smiling at the person taking the photo. It's such a normal kid/young teen photo IMO. Before I read that the FBI said it was a "family" photo I figured Hania and her friends from church might have seen this ottoman outside and thought it would be funny to take photos with it. That's what young teens I know do-- every little thing they see is an opportunity for a fun photo. JMO.

 

[Hatfield]

JMO
This is one reason why I think the pictures may have been seen by the perp.

Remember at the very beginning LE had trouble getting up to date photos of her for the Amber Alert. It took them some days before they finally found and released these more recent photos of her.

This may be a sign that these recent photos were more unique in some way. Otherwise LE would have been able to get more current photos of her right from the beginning.

Just wish we knew if they were put anywhere online that the perp may have seen.

 

[Skully]

I wish Gray Hughes had not started out his broadcast with statements suggesting Hania might have had something to do with her disappearance. She was forced into a vehicle against her will and family and neighbors heard her screaming and saw it happen. This wasn't a plan she made to runaway or else she would not have screamed nor fell to the ground as the man forced her into the SUV. That said, the way GH locates where the videos of the walking man were taken and the visual enhancements he does of the videos are very interesting and valuable for discussion of the case. JMO.

Ya me and Mr Huges had a lot of similar thoughts on this case. Don't get me wrong, I do think he took her, but he knew that she was there, and that he had a ride out of that park. Hania is a victim, so don't jump me on this.

 

[Jhhb91]

I completely agree with you. And in this day and age where almost everyone has a smartphone with a camera most people take pictures of their kids almost daily. Or teens take pictures of each other. If it was 1970 I might say, "wait a minute, who had a camera and was it a special occasion?" But it's 2018 and everyone with a phone thinks they are a photographer. And kids learn very early on to naturally strike a "pose" for photos. I don't even find her poses to be "model like". She just seems to be sitting on the ottoman and smiling at the person taking the photo. It's such a normal kid/young teen photo IMO. Before I read that the FBI said it was a "family" photo I figured Hania and her friends from church might have seen this ottoman outside and thought it would be funny to take photos with it. That's what young teens I know do-- every little thing they see is an opportunity for a fun photo. JMO.

I’m thinking along the same lines as you Gardener1850 and MsFacetious, thank you for posting it...many girls that age use every opportunity to take pictures when they are dressed up. Not to mention, the devastation that area has had recently, and for years really, there probably was an ottoman that floated by a month or so ago and the girls found it!

IMO, I’ve lived in NC, about 2 1/2-3 hours north east of the Lumberton area, for 2o years now but not originally from the state of NC. As stated in earlier posts, this area has always been considered a very “rough area” to live in and the hurricanes and flooding do not make this situation any easier. From what I know from the past 20 years, there are many farms and farm workers in the state of NC, and in that area especially. I didn’t find it odd that the vehicle was registered to a family member in the state of SC low country area, which has a great deal of farming also. Not to mention, SC doesn’t require yearly vehicle inspection, and in some counties in NC emission inspection also. I’ve had my own personal headache with this and my son’s ‘04 4runner and spent $1,000 before it would pass inspection, to pay property taxes, and receive the yearly plate tag renewal, all before he would’ve been stopped and received a ticket for out of date tags! It’s a lot to deal with and many people need transportation to work.
Anyway... I guess my long post just means..Hania was being a girl her age the day before and IMO...wrong place, wrong time with an evil person passing through looking for “something to do” because he spends his days with nothing to do and I seriously doubt this guy has internet or even a regular place to stay and certainly not a regular job...IMO...
BTW...so happy the FBI tweeted about this!

 

[MimosaMornings]

The pictures themselves were not what I was interested in - nor was the ottoman of particular inquiry.
(You would not drag home or keep a water logged ottoman especially in that humid environment- if you’ve been thru a flood you know what I’m talking about!)

Two clues I was looking for from pictures:
•Cell phone
•Last activities of Hania

 

[GraceG]

I wish Gray Hughes had not started out his broadcast with statements suggesting Hania might have had something to do with her disappearance. She was forced into a vehicle against her will and family and neighbors heard her screaming and saw it happen. This wasn't a plan she made to runaway or else she would not have screamed nor fell to the ground as the man forced her into the SUV. That said, the way GH locates where the videos of the walking man were taken and the visual enhancements he does of the videos are very interesting and valuable for discussion of the case. JMO.

He has the best of intentions and sharing these cases is important, but he doesn't always get it right. When there was that horrific limo crash in New York he immediately put up a video stating they were all coming/going from a wedding, implying it was the wedding party because that is what one news site reported. It was a birthday party. I think he just takes what is available AT THE TIME, reviews it thoroughly and adds his own opinion. It's not much different than we do here so we won't all agree. I'm not ruling anything out in this case but it's too early to make such a suggestion, as there is NO evidence to date to support that she staged her own disappearance.

 

[Gardener1850]

He has the best of intentions and sharing these cases is important, but he doesn't always get it right. When there was that horrific limo crash in New York he immediately put up a video stating they were all coming/going from a wedding, implying it was the wedding party because that is what one news site reported. It was a birthday party. I think he just takes what is available AT THE TIME, reviews it thoroughly and adds his own opinion. It's not much different than we do here so we won't all agree. I'm not ruling anything out in this case but it's too early to make such a suggestion, as there is NO evidence to date to support that she staged her own disappearance.

Yeah, I like GH but that suggestion rubbed me the wrong way. The FBI has very clearly said she was kidnapped. They have been pushing back against nasty social media gossip suggesting she ran away. There are people carjacked and kidnapped in their own cars quite often in high crime areas. It is usually a crime of opportunity, not a crime where the carjackers know their victim. The only thing different about this case is that a 13 year old who doesn't drive was starting the car. I get that people are going to question that and wonder about how frequent that event was-- was someone watching her, did she innocently tell someone her location, etc. But this is a high crime and high poverty area. Break-ins are common in the trailer park. Crime is rampant. To speculate Hania may have had something to do with her abduction (even if innocently on her part) at this point with the info we know is a bit like saying maybe a rape victim shouldn't have worn that short skirt or gone to the club and let a man buy her drinks. It is a defense mechanism of people who believe something like this could never happen to them and their family. They have to make it somehow the victim's fault in order to feel more safe. There is subtle victim blaming there even if they don't mean to or no matter how many times they say they think Hania may have been communicating with someone "innocently" and not expecting this result. She is being used as an example of "what not to do" and there is no evidence here that she did anything at all to bring this about. She is still missing. She is a real person and her family are real people who see things like this posted online saying she may have brought this on herself or may have planned to run away. Show me the evidence that she was talking to strangers online and I will consider that she may have accidentally let a predator know her personal info (I see this happen with missing endangered teens all the time and it is usually obvious from their social media accounts that they were vulnerable). Until there is evidence, I refuse to consider that scenario. MOO.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Missing Lumberton teen 1 of dozens in NC

 

[Skully]

It doesn't matter if she texted him or sent a photo or not. She is still a victim, she was kidnapped by an older boy-man what ever. A 13 year old is too young to know the dangers of sharing on any SM. There are so many apps that get kids into trouble, just because they want to be kids, chat and share photos. I think the point was, he knew she was there, he knew that he had a get away vehicle and how to find her. That was my point too. I didn't listen to the end of Hughes podcast, but he is right that it's fishy how he know where to go and how to find her. I don't think Hania knew this would happen, I don't think any 13 year old would think there is danger in texting or chatting with someone. As far as the photos, I think she is 13 and they are innocent photos, they just happen to have been taken the day before.

 

[margarita25]

“Social media can be cruel,” the FBI Charlotte field office said in a tweet, referencing a statement, handwritten in spanish, made by her mother. “Hania Aguilar is still missing,” it said. “Support this Mother, her daughter was kidnapped.”

FBI Blasts Online Cruelty As Search For Missing NC Girl Continues

“Federal Investigators are taking to social media to denounce internet trolls.”

Good!

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“”Every time a mother or a family member talks on TV about something like this, the bad side of social media comes out again,” an FBI spokeswoman said regarding the treatment Elsa Hernandez, the mother of missing teen Hania Aguilar, is getting. And that is stressful for her — for people to pick apart how she looks and her reaction. It’s heartbreaking.”“

Stop Criticizing Family And Spreading Rumors About Kidnapped 13-Year-Old, FBI Says

 

[Gardener1850]

It doesn't matter if she texted him or sent a photo or not. She is still a victim, she was kidnapped by an older boy-man what ever. A 13 year old is too young to know the dangers of sharing on any SM. There are so many apps that get kids into trouble, just because they want to be kids, chat and share photos. I think the point was, he knew she was there, he knew that he had a get away vehicle and how to find her. That was my point too. I didn't listen to the end of Hughes podcast, but he is right that it's fishy how he know where to go and how to find her. I don't think Hania knew this would happen, I don't think any 13 year old would think there is danger in texting or chatting with someone. As far as the photos, I think she is 13 and they are innocent photos, they just happen to have been taken the day before.

RBBM. There is no evidence at all that she was communicating online with her abductor or anyone involved in this. Please do not state speculation as if it is a fact. If that turns out to be the case, then I agree with the rest of your post-- it is not her fault, no matter what she may have done online (I have advocated for "runaways" who were trafficked victims as well, so I get what you are saying). But since there is no evidence of this occurring, why even go there as a theory? There are very not victim friendly places online where Hania is being smeared by this lie that she had something to do with her abduction. I usually don't pay attention to social media gossip but it is so bad in this case that the FBI has addressed it directly in a tweet and in press conference statements. The last thing we need here is to confuse speculation with the facts of the case. That's all I'm saying. JMO.

 

[Rodnester]

‘All of us together can make a huge difference’: Elizabeth Smart’s dad offers help on girl abducted from her own driveway before school

Elizabeth Smart's father reminds everyone that there is still hope even though a long time has past since Hania was abducted.

 

[Kristineellen]

I live nearby and they continue to post in the newspapers for tips and witnesses. I can't access the link because fayetteville observer requires payments but it is on their main page. When the other women went missing, there wasn't as much focus. Unsure if it was because of age, drug use, prostitution backgound, etc.

Besides a feeling that they aren't related, the police do not seem to be interested in connecting the two. Lumberton is just a high crime area with extremely low income families. We cancel school when its too cold because we know that some families can't afford winter jackets for students to wear at the bus stop.

I am very happy with the reward money. It is more than what some people may make in a year. I truly hope it brings something to light.

I would like to add that sex trafficking in HUGE being that it is near a military base. We have a lot of trafficking in Fayetteville. I hope this is not the case.

 

[Alethea]

I think I missed all the speculation about the photos. It just looked like amateur family or friend photos. In the world of Instagram and Snapchat people, including teens, are taking photos and sharing every day. I watch my friends' kids grow up on Facebook practically. Every other day there's a new photo and post. If these photos were posted somewhere online, it would make her one of millions of teens posting photos online. Like Gardener said, it's not rare or notable anymore. It's become so common that now the trend is to not post photos of your kids to "save" them all of the exposure. I'm not sure if that's more self-important than actually necessary but the pendulum may be swinging back from our 24/7 oversharing society. JMO

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

It hurts every day when I check in here to see if any progress has been made. I am like everyone else here, praying for answers for Hania’s Mom and family. Maybe there will be a break soon....hoping so much for that.

I’m glad Ed Smart continues to speak out on Hania’s behalf.....that can only help.

 

[andalso]

The FBI is asking for the public’s help to find a 13-year-old girl kidnapped from outside of her North Carolina home.

Wanted by the FBI: Seeking Assistance in Hania Aguilar Kidnapping Investigation — FBI

 

[FlamingoLady]

I live nearby and they continue to post in the newspapers for tips and witnesses. I can't access the link because fayetteville observer requires payments but it is on their main page. When the other women went missing, there wasn't as much focus. Unsure if it was because of age, drug use, prostitution backgound, etc.

Besides a feeling that they aren't related, the police do not seem to be interested in connecting the two. Lumberton is just a high crime area with extremely low income families. We cancel school when its too cold because we know that some families can't afford winter jackets for students to wear at the bus stop.

I am very happy with the reward money. It is more than what some people may make in a year. I truly hope it brings something to light.

I would like to add that sex trafficking in HUGE being that it is near a military base. We have a lot of trafficking in Fayetteville. I hope this is not the case.

Honest question: What does sex trafficking have to do with a military base?

 

[andalso]

Active searches continue for abducted Lumberton teen Hania Aguilar

Is Hania driving in this photo or starting car?

Is this the same SUV she was kidnapped in?

Am I the only one who hasn't already seen this photo? ( I have been consumed by my job and maybe missed some stuff but I've tried to stay caught up).

Who took this photo? Selfie?

Where was this photo taken? (Notice the fence in back ground.)