GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #2

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Not sure if this is allowed but since it is mentioned in the media, and inserted by the Defense as part of the narrative of the case, I will post. Apologies to Mods and please remove if not permitted.

https://www.facebook.com/mona.earnest1?ref=br_rs

The picture is there today. Also please note, there's nothing else there but one post from years ago about cruising. Mr.Earnests wife has left her page open to public posts with the picture. It seems like a defense ploy to GET comments.

Just my opinion. But she could easily set her FB to private or remove the picture. Or shut down the account.

Easy fix.
 
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. Great post Mike lying again . Another lie Mike told here is another


http://www.journalnow.com/news/loca...cle_d4c1f7c5-eda5-53a9-9cec-c35ef1597340.html

It's a bit of a bonkers lie to make regarding the picture on FB as it is clear to everyone that this picture is still up and was never taken down. Lawyer playing with words by the sound of it, as the picture that is up is not one that was taken at a wedding, it is one that was taken at Christmas. Maybe there was another picture up taken at the wedding that was taken down but saying that they complied with requests to take down pictures of the children is far from the truth.

On the matter of the Visa, because it would appear that JC ended up applying for status via an employer sponsored application, I always wondered if this what was in his office that MM & uncle tried to gain access for the day after the death.
 
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Interesting comment from JC brother saying that MM was putting pressure on him to adopt the children in the two month prior to his death particularly so they could obtain US citizenship. In another article, he goes further into the residential status of JC saying that he had applied for residency but this was based on his employment rather than his wife being a US citizen. Wonder when this employer sponsored application was made? How long would his original work visa that he got when he first moved to the US in 2011 have lasted?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...nd-wife-tried-to-adopt-children-31455762.html




http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...aim-jason-planned-to-stay-in-us-31492606.html

I wonder if the defense will use her, now well documented attempts, to adopt the kids to as support of her DV allegations? Reading through some posts regarding her 'options' prior to murdering Jason, one of the theories put forward was she could have under NC law, adopted the kids and then applied for sole custody based on the alleged DV. (I can find the link if needs be) Perhaps they will use the increased pressure she appeared to be putting Jason under as 'proof' that she was taking steps to change the circumstances in an alternative manner.

If so, and Jason realised this, it may have spurred him to take swift action, hence he took steps towards moving himself and the children out of the situation. Unfortunately, unless he documented this somewhere there is nothing to refute her version of events (that we know of) so she would be able to use the defense as reasonable doubt. Hopefully, there will be information stored on his computer that would help detectives with any suspicions he may have had.

Just another thought, if they do go down this route of defense, then the comments from the friends they dined with on the Friday night could prove crucial. If she is claiming that the DV had intensified in recent months, it is detrimental to her case to have been seen publicly goading him immediately prior to his violent murder.
 
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MOD ALERT


Please refrain from bringing rumors here from Social Media. It's against TOS.

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I wonder if the defense will use her, now well documented attempts, to adopt the kids to as support of her DV allegations? Reading through some posts regarding her 'options' prior to murdering Jason, one of the theories put forward was she could have under NC law, adopted the kids and then applied for sole custody based on the alleged DV. (I can find the link if needs be) Perhaps they will use the increased pressure she appeared to be putting Jason under as 'proof' that she was taking steps to change the circumstances in an alternative manner.

If so, and Jason realised this, it may have spurred him to take swift action, hence he took steps towards moving himself and the children out of the situation. Unfortunately, unless he documented this somewhere there is nothing to refute her version of events (that we know of) so she would be able to use the defense as reasonable doubt. Hopefully, there will be information stored on his computer that would help detectives with any suspicions he may have had.

Just another thought, if they do go down this route of defense, then the comments from the friends they dined with on the Friday night could prove crucial. If she is claiming that the DV had intensified in recent months, it is detrimental to her case to have been seen publicly goading him immediately prior to his violent murder.

I dare say that those who dined with JC & MM on that Friday night will be witnesses at the trial regardless. The actions of MM as reported would not imo be the actions of someone who was in fear of DV. The event of the last few months before the death will be highly focused on within the trial I suspect.

Two days before he was killed, Mr Corbett left a social function in the US early after he became upset and annoyed at his wife jeering him about his weight."They were out having dinner with some friends on the Friday before he died when Molly started fat-shaming him," said the family friend.

"Jason always took it to heart and it upset him. He left Molly there that night and went home on his own. He was mortified. She used to always call him 'fat 🤬🤬🤬' and he never liked it."

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...ack-of-apology-from-the-martens-34348383.html
 
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I wonder if the defense will use her, now well documented attempts, to adopt the kids to as support of her DV allegations? Reading through some posts regarding her 'options' prior to murdering Jason, one of the theories put forward was she could have under NC law, adopted the kids and then applied for sole custody based on the alleged DV. (I can find the link if needs be) Perhaps they will use the increased pressure she appeared to be putting Jason under as 'proof' that she was taking steps to change the circumstances in an alternative manner.

If so, and Jason realised this, it may have spurred him to take swift action, hence he took steps towards moving himself and the children out of the situation. Unfortunately, unless he documented this somewhere there is nothing to refute her version of events (that we know of) so she would be able to use the defense as reasonable doubt. Hopefully, there will be information stored on his computer that would help detectives with any suspicions he may have had.

Just another thought, if they do go down this route of defense, then the comments from the friends they dined with on the Friday night could prove crucial. If she is claiming that the DV had intensified in recent months, it is detrimental to her case to have been seen publicly goading him immediately prior to his violent murder.
Jason had planned the trip home for a family celebration that was to occur on 21st august. he was attending 'with or without molly'
He then booked his and the children's tickets but not hers which does suggest a deterioration.
There are earlier posts about this with all the linked relevant media.
He had made enquiries regarding transfer to Ireland or UK for his work, as far as I remember thats how it went.. but the posts are probably on the first thread.

I'm not sure she claimed the dv intensified, Molly intensified.. but there has been absolutely no evidence of dv and the police have stated they received no complaints.
If she had wanted to use the NC law, she would not have needed his consent. when she knew she would never get his consent.. perhaps she made different plans.
 
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It's a bit of a bonkers lie to make regarding the picture on FB as it is clear to everyone that this picture is still up and was never taken down. Lawyer playing with words by the sound of it, as the picture that is up is not one that was taken at a wedding, it is one that was taken at Christmas. Maybe there was another picture up taken at the wedding that was taken down but saying that they complied with requests to take down pictures of the children is far from the truth.
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there was another picture up of them with their daughter on her wedding day. That was taken down. There were horrendous comments left under it insulting their daughters appearance and calling her all sorts of names. It was left up for a while but comments were being removed but they kept going up again and eventually it was taken down. Just had another look at her page today, there have been more comments left since yesterday!!! I despair is all I can say.... no cop on at all.
 
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I wonder if the defense will use her, now well documented attempts, to adopt the kids to as support of her DV allegations? Reading through some posts regarding her 'options' prior to murdering Jason, one of the theories put forward was she could have under NC law, adopted the kids and then applied for sole custody based on the alleged DV. (I can find the link if needs be) Perhaps they will use the increased pressure she appeared to be putting Jason under as 'proof' that she was taking steps to change the circumstances in an alternative manner.

If so, and Jason realised this, it may have spurred him to take swift action, hence he took steps towards moving himself and the children out of the situation. Unfortunately, unless he documented this somewhere there is nothing to refute her version of events (that we know of) so she would be able to use the defense as reasonable doubt. Hopefully, there will be information stored on his computer that would help detectives with any suspicions he may have had.

Just another thought, if they do go down this route of defense, then the comments from the friends they dined with on the Friday night could prove crucial. If she is claiming that the DV had intensified in recent months, it is detrimental to her case to have been seen publicly goading him immediately prior to his violent murder.

The prosecution might rebut this defense ploy by pointing out that if she documented the DV....and made charges against JC...she could then have had a good chance of getting custody of the children WITHOUT adoption. We had those links earlier as well. So, IF she was abused, and had witnesses (her parents)...she could have achieved her objective without killing Jason.

But she might only have gotten a share of support. Her lifestyle would certainly have changed.

Follow the money.
 
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Jason had planned the trip home for a family celebration that was to occur on 21st august. he was attending 'with or without molly'
He then booked his and the children's tickets but not hers which does suggest a deterioration.
There are earlier posts about this with all the linked relevant media.
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Do we know for absolutely certain that she was not travelling with him to Ireland for the family celebration in August, that no ticket was booked for her? There have been various versions of what the plan was in August with some reporting it as he was coming for a family celebration and a holiday and other reports of he was leaving the US for good in August. He may have been planning to move back to Ireland but it might not have necessarily been in August.
 
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there was another picture up of them with their daughter on her wedding day. That was taken down. There were horrendous comments left under it insulting their daughters appearance and calling her all sorts of names. It was left up for a while but comments were being removed but they kept going up again and eventually it was taken down. Just had another look at her page today, there have been more comments left since yesterday!!! I despair is all I can say.... no cop on at all.

Years ago, I was involved with a blog concerning a high profile case. I wrote blog posts that the public could comment on. Once you insert yourself, for whatever good reasons, into an emotionally charged case, you must realize that the Internet allows for unfiltered, anonymous commentary and a lot of it is going to be threatening and insulting.

I sympathize with the Earnests.

But I, like them, volunteered to put myself in the situation. Unlike the Corbetts, I had a choice and so do they. These sorts of reactions from strangers are the downside. I have never regretted my advocacy. It seems the Earnest Family feels likewise at this point.

But they made a proactive choice: MIke Earnest has become the public spokesman. Their daughter has made FB posts that were derogatory about Jason, the victim. Mona keeps up a photo that the guardians have asked to be taken down.

I like this website because we have rules. We can emotionally see things differently, but we cannot use personal insults to demean anyone who feels differently.

But out there in the big wide Internet, it's a very different experience. Sad to say, but in cases like these, it's parr for the course. You take the heat or get out of the kitchen.
 
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True Marymead. true.
I often think we should make a separate folder for despicable people associated with the Martens who keep writing themselves into the drama. And then go and do something utterly ridiculous and deceitful in front of thousands of viewers..
They are vexations to the spirit, they need to be dealt with, but we could waste lots of sleuthing time on them and on trivial things that wont progress our invrstigation and have already been discussed ad infinitum.
Need direction and if we co-ordinated, made lists etc, form a strategy? Just a suggestion for a direction forward. Reason being I dont like to dance to their mad tunes anymore.. they are setting agendas left right and centre, Its their narrative and theirs only and they can afford and have access to expensive media outlets.
I feel they will waste our energy.
any ideas on moving forward? Paths to investigate?
 
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Do we know for absolutely certain that she was not travelling with him to Ireland for the family celebration in August, that no ticket was booked for her? There have been various versions of what the plan was in August with some reporting it as he was coming for a family celebration and a holiday and other reports of he was leaving the US for good in August. He may have been planning to move back to Ireland but it might not have necessarily been in August.

I don't think we do Hotchips, there was never absolute confirmation that flights had actually been booked either, just reference to him going to Ireland from his fathers birthday in the August and also that he was looking to move back permanently. There was reports however that he had been actively looking for employment in either the UK or Ireland.
 
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We have been told that the police only interviewed the Martens once.. they did however according to the lawyers on this transcript request further information over the five months.
heres the quote
FREEDMAN: Well, we can`t get into the evidence, but I don`t believe there`s anything there at the scene that`s inconsistent with the

description that was given by both Mr. Martens and Mr. Corbett -- Ms. Corbett immediately after the police arrived at that scene. Both Mr.

Martens and Ms. Corbett gave statements immediately, and have made themselves accessible and have provided further information over the past

five months.
Freedman went on to redefine his version of self defence.. this is interesting

GRACE: OK, I appreciate that. My question is, were either Molly or her father injured? Because I`m reading from the sworn police document,

neither -- it`s number nine, so you know where it`s coming from, page 2. Neither Thomas Michael Martens nor Molly Martens Corbett suffered any

injuries about their person, not a single injury. And I`m looking at the picture of the dad, and from the Dailymail.com, there`s no injuries.

So how is this self-defense if they`re not injured and he`s bludgeoned dead?

FREEDMAN: Well, when you walk into a room and your daughter is being held by a person who`s three times larger, and he`s got her by the neck and

says, I`m going to kill you -- kill her, and all he wants is for him to let go, I would contend that`s self-defense.

[20:30:00] (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1601/18/ng.01.html

So he is calling his alleged defense of his daughter 'self-defence' this implies that Jason never attacked Tom at all.. How strange
 
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Assuming that JC knew that MM had seen a lawyer in the past about divorcing him, why would he allow her to adopt? That would just complicate (for him) any future divorce.

Certain testimony from the custody hearing, makes me wonder if JC did not also see a disparity in her affections between his two children. For me, that would be insurmountable.

Yes, of course. I am not suggesting for a minute that JC should have allowed adoption, it just seemed from Jasons brother statement that she upped the pressure in the 2 months prior to his death and this, coupled with the earlier posts about getting her old email account back 3 months prior to the murder and the suspicion (albeit unproven) of old flame, made me wonder about the timing of these events in view of what happened to Jason.
 
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Years ago, I was involved with a blog concerning a high profile case. I wrote blog posts that the public could comment on. Once you insert yourself, for whatever good reasons, into an emotionally charged case, you must realize that the Internet allows for unfiltered, anonymous commentary and a lot of it is going to be threatening and insulting.

I sympathize with the Earnests.

But I, like them, volunteered to put myself in the situation. Unlike the Corbetts, I had a choice and so do they. These sorts of reactions from strangers are the downside. I have never regretted my advocacy. It seems the Earnest Family feels likewise at this point.

But they made a proactive choice: MIke Earnest has become the public spokesman. Their daughter has made FB posts that were derogatory about Jason, the victim. Mona keeps up a photo that the guardians have asked to be taken down.

I like this website because we have rules. We can emotionally see things differently, but we cannot use personal insults to demean anyone who feels differently.

But out there in the big wide Internet, it's a very different experience. Sad to say, but in cases like these, it's parr for the course. You take the heat or get out of the kitchen.

Very true stmarysmead, agree totally what you say of putting oneself in the public domain. It unfortunately suits the Earnest's to receive and continue to receive such derogatory public commentary as their friends and relatives will see it and sympathise with them and it suits their agenda of painting Jason as a terrible bully, par for the course that he behaved badly when his familys supporters behave this way. It may be unpleasant and humiliating for them to have it out there on the net but they are willing to tolerate it to try save their niece and brother in law. Now that's its been reported on, it must be taken seriously though to avoid future problems.
 
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I dare say that those who dined with JC & MM on that Friday night will be witnesses at the trial regardless. The actions of MM as reported would not imo be the actions of someone who was in fear of DV. The event of the last few months before the death will be highly focused on within the trial I suspect.
http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...ack-of-apology-from-the-martens-34348383.html
"Two days before he was killed, Mr. Corbett left a social function in the US early after he became upset and annoyed at his wife jeering him about his weight. 'They were out having dinner with some friends on the Friday before he died when Molly started fat-shaming him' said the family friend. "Jason always took it to heart and it upset him. He left Molly there that night and went home on his own. He was mortified. She used to always call him 'fat 🤬🤬🤬' and he never liked it."

does anyone see this as a possible motive for wanting to choke her?... she might could use this as part of her defense...IMO...
 
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does anyone see this as a possible motive for wanting to choke her?... she might could use this as part of her defense...IMO...

Excellent point. Food for thought there. What molly will say is the reason he was allegedly choking her....we have discussed at length the possible reasons she had to attack him but not really examined what possibilities she could come up with for him supposedly attacking her....
 
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Excellent point. Food for thought there. What molly will say is the reason he was allegedly choking her....we have discussed at length the possible reasons she had to attack him but not really examined what possibilities she could come up with for him supposedly attacking her....
does anyone see this as possible motive for wanting to choke her?

Or it could have been the final straw for Jason he decided for definite this time he had had enough and he was going to leave and end the Marriage taking his children with him and this drove Molly into a rage . Why did the parents arrive ? Imo Molly told them something very important that made them change their plans and leave their home immediately and go to NC. In the picture Jasons brother posted following his visit her parents were in those also . So they left 5 days before and then came back again . 5 days later why ?
IMO if he was going to choke her because of fat shaming he would have done it the night before when Mollys parents weren't in the house . Why wait till her parents arrive and try to kill her at 3 in the morning naked.Also how can defence use story of Molly victim of DV &. Fat shamer in the same sentence!!
 
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Very true stmarysmead, agree totally what you say of putting oneself in the public domain. It unfortunately suits the Earnest's to receive and continue to receive such derogatory public commentary as their friends and relatives will see it and sympathise with them and it suits their agenda of painting Jason as a terrible bully, par for the course that he behaved badly when his familys supporters behave this way. It may be unpleasant and humiliating for them to have it out there on the net but they are willing to tolerate it to try save their niece and brother in law. Now that's its been reported on, it must be taken seriously though to avoid future problems.

I have seen very little on the J4J page that even approximates the kind of commentary our Blog received years ago. Yes, people are angry, but as I detailed in another post, there have been a long series of provocations that inspired that anger.

Indeed the Martens have Internet friends that have said things that certainly approximate anything said in J4J. They have one friend that has done something that will probably result in legal consequences between parties...the likes of which, to my knowledge, have NO equal by any Corbett supporter. To date, THEIR bullies take the cake, so to speak. Perhaps their attorneys should avoid that "bully" terminology or even the topic unless they really ...ah...know the flip side.

And if the Martens are not to be judged by their overly avid supporters, why should the Corbetts?

The accusations made by the attorneys seem self serving to their case. They failed to mention that Mona Earnest keeps her FB public, and they certainly misrepresented to the media (hopefully NOT to the court) that the children's picture was "taken down."

Unless there are other sites, and there could be, in my opinion, this is all grandstanding. Much ado about nothing. Trying to make the Martens into... the "victims"...to divert attention from the heinous rage killing they perpetrated.

The Justice for Jason website is fairly low key when it comes to victim advocacy in a highly emotional case. People are still free to express themselves.

I have seen no serious threats of bodily harm, etc...have you? The attorneys are just trying to create sympathy for two very unsympathetic defendants.

The real "bullies" are the two that armed themselves with bat and brick and did a horrific beat-down of a man that did not put one scratch or bruise on them.

All just my opinion, of course.
 
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