GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #3

[jnblsm]

I believe stephendoddy already addressed your comments on the children and the custody case.
We are trying to assemble facts through sleuthing, they are thin on the ground.
Jason's family rarely post anything at all.
The support group is administered by supporters, not family.
I think Jason and Mag's relationship was a real love affair.. they idolised eachother until her tragic death. It was mutual, both sane and both working together for their little family.
Jason was extremely traumatised following her death.
If you read past posts you will find your questions have been addressed already.
You dont actually know what actions they took and you dont know they took none either.

I understand the principles of sleuthing, but thank you!
If my questions were addressed previously, I obviously think they need to be explored again. That's why I asked.
So...
Why did Jason marry another person if he was still so smitten with his first wife? Did he really move to the USA because Molly wanted to come home? If so, in my opinion, that says a ton of how he felt about her.

 

[Truthalways]

If those kids were her biological kids and they were allowed be cocooned within a family who's mother had been indicted on a murder charge and grandfather. I would have serious concerns. One of these accused beat this victim so hard there was pieces of his skull on the floor in the room.? In my opinion these are not people you want tucking kids into bed at night. But maybe I'm missing something?

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[DaleTray]

Is there any way the kids could be called to testify? No doubt they could tell many needed facts. Is there an age that determines testimony?

 

[stmarysmead]

Thank you so much for your suggestion. However, reading the book again won't change the point I was making on my post.
The family saw problems early on and did nothing.
I didn't "omit the rage killing." I simply hadn't gotten that far. My point is that it shouldn't have happened. If I witnessed my brother's wife doing something terrible enough to be brought up against her publicly, I wouldn't wait to bring it up after he was killed.

I have to admit, reading the book gave me a much broader insight into MM's particular manifestations of her illness. That's why I suggested it. On the face, I can understand your point of view. We do know that MM told the inlaws she was bipolar and we do know Jason and the inlaws reacted strongly to that incident. But what I learned from reading the book...is that MM's angry rages would be quickly followed by almost pitiful bouts of sorrow and remorse. I found myself wondering how anyone could not want to ease her pain. She had migraines, a foot tumor, bipolar disease, and terrible insecurity. I'm not saying she was manipulative but the combination of all this was an immense burden to everyone from parents to Keith to Jason that loved her.

I think Jason initially told his family he was handling it. So realistically what could they do? It's always fine for Monday Morning Quarterbacks to critique. The suite built in the basement and the many references to the parents visiting, and cruises, and travel...makes me think that Jason tried for a long time to cope.

In the book, it says this:



And for awhile, I think mothering was a source of fulfillment to her. But the children were getting older. Parenting teenagers is a far cry from parenting little kids who love you unconditionally. I believe, in my opinion, that Jason say changes that made him refuse to let her adopt...and then finally, want to go back to Ireland with the children.

I do believe that, whether she is convicted or found not guilty, that the autopsy now proves she is dangerous to herself and others.

 

[kittythehare]

I understand the principles of sleuthing, but thank you!
If my questions were addressed previously, I obviously think they need to be explored again. That's why I asked.
So...
Why did Jason marry another person if he was still so smitten with his first wife? Did he really move to the USA because Molly wanted to come home? If so, in my opinion, that says a ton of how he felt about her.

I didnt say he was 'smitten', I said he loved her and she loved him.
Smitten suggests something inferior to love.
She died. He was vulnerable and he was targeted by a nutcase with experience in targeting vulnerable men, JMO.
It happens.. first they target emotionally, then psychically, mentally and finally sexually.. again JMO.
If you read the media reports, there is a separate thread on them, yes, I think it was reported that she wished to return to USA.
Vulnerable grieving people sometimes make bad decisions, thats human nature.
Perhaps he did love her, but she was an abuser.
He died in the course of one of her psychopathic rages.
His death was described ad heinous, atrocious and cruel- that means prolonged and help was denied.
His marriage to her does not mean he deserved this atrocious death.
Victim blaming appears to be fashionable these days but we have seen no evidence of how he might have contributed to her narcissim, her psychoses or her alleged manic depression.
Remember too how skillful she had become at concealing her condition. It was 3 years before she told him, they had become engaged and were awaiting his travel visa..

 

[searchinGirl]

Is there any way the kids could be called to testify? No doubt they could tell many needed facts. Is there an age that determines testimony?

this one is hard to call... I believe they know what happened that night.. and I believe they know better than anyone their parents relationship...however, I don't think there is anyone in the world that wants to see them suffer anymore...IMO

 

[emmalpage81]

I understand the principles of sleuthing, but thank you!
If my questions were addressed previously, I obviously think they need to be explored again. That's why I asked.
So...
Why did Jason marry another person if he was still so smitten with his first wife? Did he really move to the USA because Molly wanted to come home? If so, in my opinion, that says a ton of how he felt about her.

I think it was addressed in LS's interview (http://evoke.ie/news/jason-corbett-wasnt-ready-to-marry-claims-best-friend) it was said that she didn't want to just be seen as the nanny and wanted a firmer role in the family. I think this is why KM's description of her wanting to get engaged with him struck a chord as that also seemed to be for validation; to make her happy regardless of the fact that he wasn't that sure.

I also think it has been stated a few times that JC was unaware of her health problems until plans to move to the State's had been made. I cannot recall the actual article so someone with a much better memory than me could, hopefully, link it. At that time he may have felt it was too late and it was worth giving it a shot.

 

[Mom2catieandtwins]

Is there any way the kids could be called to testify? No doubt they could tell many needed facts. Is there an age that determines testimony?

I pray they don't. I hope the prosecution can prove guilt, without the help of two innocent kids. It had been reported the children are receiving counseling. Could those records be used?

 

[Logic-lady]

Thank you so much for your suggestion. However, reading the book again won't change the point I was making on my post.
The family saw problems early on and did nothing.
I didn't "omit the rage killing." I simply hadn't gotten that far. My point is that it shouldn't have happened. If I witnessed my brother's wife doing something terrible enough to be brought up against her publicly, I wouldn't wait to bring it up after he was killed.

Perhaps they did address it? Perhaps their concerns had in some part influenced Jason's decision to move home. We will never know whether they took further steps to protect Jack and Sarah because we are only privy to an excerpt from a court transcript, however, I would hazard a guess that this is why they felt the need to move so quickly to protect the children after Jason's death.

 

[Logic-lady]

Perhaps that's why it has been alledged that Jason was leaving and taking his kids. Maybe he couldn't take her abuse anymore. Certainly there are witnesses to her verbal abuse ...fat shaming. Maybe he could not allow this go on with the kids either anymore. Who knows what these kids witnessed from mm especially in the days leading up to and after their fathers murder. As for Jason's family. We are only getting snippets from Tracey Lynch testimony. We could hear at trial that they had tried to intervene or talk to mm or Jason about their concerns.

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True, perhaps they had tried to build a rapport with her to try to understand her more and help? Certainly that would explain why she felt comfortable discussing her relationship with Jason with them (ie. confiding in LS about seeking information regarding a divorce etc) Perhaps they tried to help in a more sensitive way than confronting her outright?

 

[searchinGirl]

I pray they don't. I hope the prosecution can prove guilt, without the help of two innocent kids. It had been reported the children are receiving counseling. Could those records be used?

I think perhaps they could be particularly if they know something about the crime...IMO

 

[searchinGirl]

is anything known about the three previous nannies that preceded Molly?

 

[kittythehare]

here is a link to scholarly articles on psychopathic rage killings.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar? q=psychopathic+rage+killings+peer+reviewed+and+cited&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwifnozu2LHMAhXLFsAKHYnwBaMQgQMIGjAA

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=psychopathic+rage+killers&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5

 

[Mom2catieandtwins]

this one is hard to call... I believe they know what happened that night.. and I believe they know better than anyone their parents relationship...however, I don't think there is anyone in the world that wants to see them suffer anymore...IMO

When I read MM's Facebook posts, they seem threatening to the children. Her love will find them. Comes across as a threat to me. How many fights, MM outbursts, manic highs and lows did they witness? Did she tell them after such an event she "loved" them. Did she tell them if they "loved" her they would not tell anyone? Did MM force the children to prove their love? Her post do not seem real to me. All the remembering and overly descriptive words and phrases. It is almost like she is trying to rewrite the true events of their lives.

 

[jnblsm]

I didnt say he was 'smitten', I said he loved her and she loved him.
Smitten suggests something inferior to love.
She died. He was vulnerable and he was targeted by a nutcase with experience in targeting vulnerable men, JMO.
It happens.. first they target emotionally, then psychically, mentally and finally sexually.. again JMO.
If you read the media reports, there is a separate thread on them, yes, I think it was reported that she wished to return to USA.
Vulnerable grieving people sometimes make bad decisions, thats human nature.
Perhaps he did love her, but she was an abuser.
He died in the course of one of her psychopathic rages.
His death was described ad heinous, atrocious and cruel- that means prolonged and help was denied.
His marriage to her does not mean he deserved this atrocious death.
Victim blaming appears to be fashionable these days but we have seen no evidence of how he might have contributed to her narcissim, her psychoses or her alleged manic depression.
Remember too how skillful she had become at concealing her condition. It was 3 years before she told him, they had become engaged and were awaiting his travel visa..

I'm not going to argue about your definition of "smitten." In your spare time you can use Google to see why I used the term correctly.
My whole point is that I have a hard time with the family insisting Mags and Jason are happy together now. Yes, Molly has severe issues. I hope that J&S are getting major counseling in how to move past a narcissist killer.
I just don't see how the family, and some here, can assume that Jason and Mags are peering down from Heaven, holding hands. I don't think that's fair, or healthy for the kids.

 

[kittythehare]

I'm not going to argue about your definition of "smitten." In your spare time you can use Google to see why I used the term correctly.
My whole point is that I have a hard time with the family insisting Mags and Jason are happy together now. Yes, Molly has severe issues. I hope that J&S are getting major counseling in how to move past a narcissist killer.
I just don't see how the family, and some here, can assume that Jason and Mags are peering down from Heaven, holding hands. I don't think that's fair, or healthy for the kids.

I have not heard anybody referring to heaven here.
Why dont you ask whoever you heard saying it?
Do you have evidence the children saw this, read facebook or indeed that any member of the family said it, thought it, indoctrinated the children or that their current environment is anything but healthy warm loving and secure?
I ask because I really dont know
I did see several religious themed posts on Molly's page and also on Sharons'..
Also her trolls usually spit venom and add a prayer for good measure.
I did notice that.

 

[Logic-lady]

Reading back through my post I realized I had a lot of spelling and punctuation issues and I'm sorry.[emoji20]

What if the kids were biologically hers? Would there have been such a huge push to get them away from her? MM actually spent more time with them than Mags did. I'm a little peeved that Jason's family is implying and posting that Jason and Mags are now together again watching over their beloved children. How can they doubt he would genuinely fall in love with someone else after his wife died?
Let's pretend his second wife didn't kill him. Would they be so quick to get the kids?
If they saw so many signs of abuse while Jason was still alive, why did they wait until he was dead to make claims to authorities? That ticks me off! If I personally saw my nephew being in the sink situation as the way it was transcribed, someone would have a black eye. There's no way I'd wait until my brother was dead to say anything. Imo

don't forget there is about a $1M estate at stake here ... and both sides each feel they should have it..IMO

I understand the principles of sleuthing, but thank you!
If my questions were addressed previously, I obviously think they need to be explored again. That's why I asked.
So...
Why did Jason marry another person if he was still so smitten with his first wife? Did he really move to the USA because Molly wanted to come home? If so, in my opinion, that says a ton of how he felt about her.

This is just my opinion, but I think it is quite likely that Jason fell in love with Molly, the same way I believe the kids loved Molly. I don't think his family have ever denied that he loved her, in fact if you look at the comments on their wedding pictures etc they seemed to have a fairly positive, supportive relationship with each other, as normal as any other in-law scenario I have seen.

I think this comes down to experience. They watched Jason as a young man meet a woman and fall head over heels in love, they got married, built their own home, had their first child, set up their happy, happy lives together, enveloped in their wider extended family. Imagine the euphoria of that second pregnancy, Jack was to be a big brother, their family was expanding, it must have been such an exciting time...Sarah arrives and hurray, it's a girl - the perfect 2.4 family. Imagine the happiness and the joy that flowed through that house in those weeks. And then suddenly, out of nowhere, in one single night it's devastated. Mags is gone in an instant, no goodbyes, absolutely nothing. I think Jason will always have loved Mags, because there is no way to switch those feelings off. When you lose someone so instantly, you lose a part of yourself too. The Corbett's would have known that the Jason who continued on after losing Mags, was not the same Jason as before. I don't think it is a dispersion on any woman who would have come into Jason's life after this, but I don't think the family would ever have felt he could have loved her the same as the mother of his two children. IMO

That is not to say they didn't accept Molly as Jason's choice after the fact, it seems by all accounts that they supported the relationship (even if just for Jason's sake) in the years since the move to America. The fact of the matter is, Mags & Jason ARE reunited in Heaven looking over their two beautiful children, because Jason in now dead too. It really doesn't matter how much they accepted Molly in the intervening years, Jason died at her hand, I can understand they wouldn't exactly be singing her praises now!

Also, just a note on the life insurance money, it's been mentioned a few times (mostly on Molly's FB page) that the Corbett's are only after the money - this argument doesn't make any sense to me. They played no part in the murder, how does this equate to them being money grabbers?

 

[jnblsm]

This is just my opinion, but I think it is quite likely that Jason fell in love with Molly, the same way I believe the kids loved Molly. I don't think his family have ever denied that he loved her, in fact if you look at the comments on their wedding pictures etc they seemed to have a fairly positive, supportive relationship with each other, as normal as any other in-law scenario I have seen.

I think this comes down to experience. They watched Jason as a young man meet a woman and fall head over heels in love, they got married, built their own home, had their first child, set up their happy, happy lives together, enveloped in their wider extended family. Imagine the euphoria of that second pregnancy, Jack was to be a big brother, their family was expanding, it must have been such an exciting time...Sarah arrives and hurray, it's a girl - the perfect 2.4 family. Imagine the happiness and the joy that flowed through that house in those weeks. And then suddenly, out of nowhere, in one single night it's devastated. Mags is gone in an instant, no goodbyes, absolutely nothing. I think Jason will always have loved Mags, because there is no way to switch those feelings off. When you lose someone so instantly, you lose a part of yourself too. The Corbett's would have known that the Jason who continued on after losing Mags, was not the same Jason as before. I don't think it is a dispersion on any woman who would have come into Jason's life after this, but I don't think the family would ever have felt he could have loved her the same as the mother of his two children. IMO

That is not to say they didn't accept Molly as Jason's choice after the fact, it seems by all accounts that they supported the relationship (even if just for Jason's sake) in the years since the move to America. The fact of the matter is, Mags & Jason ARE reunited in Heaven looking over their two beautiful children, because Jason in now dead too. It really doesn't matter how much they accepted Molly in the intervening years, Jason died at her hand, I can understand they wouldn't exactly be singing her praises now!

Also, just a note on the life insurance money, it's been mentioned a few times (mostly on Molly's FB page) that the Corbett's are only after the money - this argument doesn't make any sense to me. They played no part in the murder, how does this equate to them being money grabbers?

Your screen name makes sense.

 

[stmarysmead]

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40724688/.../duke-lacrosse-accuser-convicted-child-abuse/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...ed-boyfriend-stabbing-death-article-1.1526467


Here's a comparison with another high profile case when we allow compassion to cloud judgement. When the Duke lacrosse case was dismissed due to DNA evidence that exonerated the players of rape, the false accuser was not charged. Crystal Mangum in her way, was a lot like MM...both very attractive, suffering from bipolar disease, and substance abuse. And in both cases, were compelling in their suffering...Molly in FB and Crystal wrote a book.

Crystal graduated from college and had many supporters after the case that tried to help her. They were adamant that it would be cruel to hold her responsible. And there things stood...until a few years later she set her boyfriends apartment of fire. Charged with arson, she again was let go with a sympathetic "time served." A few years later, a new man took her and her children into his home. A very hardworking and compassionate man by all accounts. She stabbed him to death and is now incarcerated.

In this case, we already have a hardworking and compassionate man brutally killed.

Should we let Molly Martens walk free to see what happens two years from now?

 

[DaleTray]

It happens.. first they target emotionally, then psychically, mentally and finally sexually. ..

I really think this should be a required class in Psych 101 for all young men. I find it totally ridiculous that it took me over 30 yrs of life experiences w women to learn this :facepalm::facepalm: