GUILTY NC - Jason Corbett, 39, murdered in his Wallburg home, 2 Aug 2015 #3

[DaleTray]

Another bombshell!
This is an incredible piece for the Prosecution. Because, while they of the $750,000 beach house, $150,000 condo, and $400,000 Tennesse home, are begging for donations...the "fine family" is smearing the Corbetts who had to bear countless expenses because of the Marten family murder!
!

I can't tell which one is liquidating assets quicker......The Martens or Sears

 

[Hotchips]

I like many others here am baffled by Sharon marten's role in this. One explanation I had thought of before was that if Sharon took sleeping tablets that she may not have been awoken by any noise upstairs until law enforcement came with the sirens blaring. But I see that uncle mike stated they both heard the noise upstairs so that theory doesn't work. We don't know what time everyone went to bed. It would have been late if the kids arrived home at 11pm. They had no choice but to the call emergency services when he wasn't getting up after the beating but prior to that, was it a case they didn't realise how bad things had got upstairs and didn't call the cops cause they thought it was just a regular row going on prior to TM going to have a look. He possibly heard them arguing prior to going up and didn't wish to involve himself in a verbal argument and only went when he thought things could have been getting out of hand and was heading up to tell them to be quiet, for fear of waking kids etc. According to what we know so far is that TM allegedly heard jason he was going to kill her when he was either enroute to the room or when he entered the room. So my thinking is if SM didn't sleep through it through use of sleeping aids, she may not have known the extent of what was actually happening up in the room and stayed put as she figured tom would tell them to stop and it was nothing more than a verbal argument. Perhaps the tradazone was hers. It can be used as a sleeping aid I believe. She is staying out of the limelight though, possibly something to do with her teaching job and not having her students know what is going on in her personal life.

 

[stmarysmead]

I like many others here am baffled by Sharon marten's role in this. One explanation I had thought of before was that if Sharon took sleeping tablets that she may not have been awoken by any noise upstairs until law enforcement came with the sirens blaring. But I see that uncle mike stated they both heard the noise upstairs so that theory doesn't work. We don't know what time everyone went to bed. It would have been late if the kids arrived home at 11pm. They had no choice but to the call emergency services when he wasn't getting up after the beating but prior to that, was it a case they didn't realise how bad things had got upstairs and didn't call the cops cause they thought it was just a regular row going on prior to TM going to have a look. He possibly heard them arguing prior to going up and didn't wish to involve himself in a verbal argument and only went when he thought things could have been getting out of hand and was heading up to tell them to be quiet, for fear of waking kids etc. According to what we know so far is that TM allegedly heard jason he was going to kill her when he was either enroute to the room or when he entered the room. So my thinking is if SM didn't sleep through it through use of sleeping aids, she may not have known the extent of what was actually happening up in the room and stayed put as she figured tom would tell them to stop and it was nothing more than a verbal argument. Perhaps the tradazone was hers. It can be used as a sleeping aid I believe. She is staying out of the limelight though, possibly something to do with her teaching job and not having her students know what is going on in her personal life.

I agree with a lot of this, except, if they are both awake and TM feels the situation is so dire that he needs to arm himself with a baseball bat, then Sharon heard the same things he did and should have been equally alarmed. And for her husband as well!

He would not have taken a bat to tell them to be quiet.

It's very true that Jason was a big man. I would not have let my 160 lb husband who is 65 years old go upstairs, bat or not, to face a raging man almost half his age and twice his size. I'd have called police for help and been right behind him.

Unless.

TM went to the home that day to manage MM...which is why they came rushing back. Which is actually my theory. I (hope) ...don't think the children were awake. I think MM woke up her parents and, as other posters stated, told them she had killed JC. I don't think TM had any idea about the brick or the excessive injuries when he finally called 911.

 

[kittythehare]

I agree with a lot of this, except, if they are both awake and TM feels the situation is so dire that he needs to arm himself with a baseball bat, then Sharon heard the same things he did and should have been equally alarmed. And for her husband as well!

He would not have taken a bat to tell them to be quiet.

It's very true that Jason was a big man. I would not have let my 160 lb husband who is 65 years old go upstairs, bat or not, to face a raging man almost half his age and twice his size. I'd have called police for help and been right behind him.

Unless.

TM went to the home that day to manage MM...which is why they came rushing back. Which is actually my theory. I (hope) ...don't think the children were awake. I think MM woke up her parents and, as other posters stated, told them she had killed JC. I don't think TM had any idea about the brick or the excessive injuries when he finally called 911.

I think it is very difficult to scream while being choked , too.
And where did these new tablets come from?
Why so many tablets?

 

[stmarysmead]

I think it is very difficult to scream while being choked , too.
And where did these new tablets come from?
Why so many tablets?

There is only one person in the history of this tragedy that is known to possess MANY tablets...but it's Molly Martens.

 

[stephanddoody]

I agree with a lot of this, except, if they are both awake and TM feels the situation is so dire that he needs to arm himself with a baseball bat, then Sharon heard the same things he did and should have been equally alarmed. And for her husband as well!

He would not have taken a bat to tell them to be quiet.

It's very true that Jason was a big man. I would not have let my 160 lb husband who is 65 years old go upstairs, bat or not, to face a raging man almost half his age and twice his size. I'd have called police for help and been right behind him.

Unless.

TM went to the home that day to manage MM...which is why they came rushing back. Which is actually my theory. I (hope) ...don't think the children were awake. I think MM woke up her parents and, as other posters stated, told them she had killed JC. I don't think TM had any idea about the brick or the excessive injuries when he finally called 911.

I hope I am not right but if the children did sleep through it I would have serious worries as to why they did. It must have been very loud Tom and Sharon were awoken by it and with the amount of injuries to Jason I would think that he probably screamed the place down . Maybe that would be why they looked for murder one We don't have the transcript of the custody hearing but Tracey did say under oath

It was claimed the beverage was so strong that when Mrs Lynch tried one, she later had to be helped to bed and was ill for two days.

we don't know what was said immediately before this but could she have been saying that that something was put into her drink? If there was a story relayed back to others about Molly putting drugs into people drinks and the police are aware of that fact they may have to testify in court . Supposing we assume for one minute Jason was spiked. He had a heart defect, trazadone is dangerous for patients with heart problems. On the other hand trazadone is regularly prescribed for patients with Bi-polar. My question is could the kids have ingested something to make them sleep? And maybe it's most likely that the guardians have already ran these tests the day the children were handed into their care and have this proof aside for the trial? What will the defence do then. Also what if there is already evidence of Molly spiking other people? Again its speculation on my part not fact .

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...r-wedding-jason-corbetts-sister-34345782.html

 

[Hotchips]

I agree with a lot of this, except, if they are both awake and TM feels the situation is so dire that he needs to arm himself with a baseball bat, then Sharon heard the same things he did and should have been equally alarmed. And for her husband as well!

He would not have taken a bat to tell them to be quiet.

It's very true that Jason was a big man. I would not have let my 160 lb husband who is 65 years old go upstairs, bat or not, to face a raging man almost half his age and twice his size. I'd have called police for help and been right behind him.

Unless.

TM went to the home that day to manage MM...which is why they came rushing back. Which is actually my theory. I (hope) ...don't think the children were awake. I think MM woke up her parents and, as other posters stated, told them she had killed JC. I don't think TM had any idea about the brick or the excessive injuries when he finally called 911.

Yes true about the bat. Was the exact location of the bat when he or she picked it up ever disclosed yet or will we ever know for sure? Hard to establish this IMO. It could have been anywhere, either in the garage or it could have been lying in the hallway. They really only have TMs version of events in this respect to go on unless someone else who was in the house earlier that evening can recall specifically seeing it. I am firmly of the belief still until I hear to the contrary that TM is covering to a certain extent for MM, that she started the whole thing off with the paving brick and Jason was struggling with her to disarm her and also trying to defend himself and TM walked in just at the moment Jason possibly had his hands on her, not to physically abuse her, but naturally outraged at her attack on him and doing what comes natural when one is attacked which is to try defend himself by whatever means either by pushing or trying to restrain her. TM reacts as many a father would do on what greeted him. However, its only afterwards when he assesses the scene he realises that he didn't inflict all the damage with the bat but molly and the paving brick did. Is it possible he could have survived the attack if he were hit with just the bat I wonder?

Now, despite the claims of mollys bipolar, was she unstable at the time of the attack... I don't think she was..wouldn't the first place she should go or be ordered to go is the nearest psych ward to both protect herself and those around her. The child services in NC who met her in the aftermath would have been looking for signs of instability while asessing her and didn't see anything wrong, she is able to give instructions to her lawyers and seemingly functioning normally since for her court appearances. I'm on the fence about the bipolar and the part it plays in this murder to be honest. Did she actually have bipolar or was it a form of depression she had, il await medical evidence on this. She claims not to have taken medication in eight years which would tie in with the timeline of her coming to Ireland, it's just not possible for a person with bipolar to function normally for eight years without a carefully followed medication plan. Its a Massive and foolish lie for her to tell when her life is on the line which is easily verified. I am of the view she is and was very much stable and in control of her actions whether or not she suffered some of form of mental illness eight years ago and prior, i dont believe at the time of the murder she was suffering from mental health. There's just something odd about this and her side have offered nothing to rebutt any of what has been said which is in line with what their strategy has been so far...to reveal as little as possible. Such interviews like KMs are giving them fodder to work with. Has her previous mental health problems any relevance to the upcoming trial, at the moment I don't think it has. Telling a lie or being vague about previous medical history in the past does not make a person a murderer and this can be explained away that she was ashamed and worried how people incl jasons family would react if she revealed all, this is what the defence will say and there are plenty who can relate to that. I wish we knew more of her alleged version of events of what led up to this. Something made her snap and I really really would love to know for sure what it was but il have to patiently wait for the trial for this!

 

[stmarysmead]

I hope I am not right but if the children did sleep through it I would have serious worries as to why they did. It must have been very loud Tom and Sharon were awoken by it and with the amount of injuries to Jason I would think that he probably screamed the place down . Maybe that would be why they looked for murder one We don't have the transcript of the custody hearing but Tracey did say under oath we don't know what was said immediately before this but could she have been saying that that something was put into her drink? If there was a story relayed back to others about Molly putting drugs into people drinks and the police are aware of that fact they may have to testify in court . Supposing we assume for one minute Jason was spiked. He had a heart defect, trazadone is dangerous for patients with heart problems. On the other hand trazadone is regularly prescribed for patients with Bi-polar. My question is could the kids have ingested something to make them sleep? And maybe it's most likely that the guardians have already ran these tests the day the children were handed into their care and have this proof aside for the trial? What will the defence do then. Also what if there is already evidence of Molly spiking other people? Again its speculation on my part not fact .

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...r-wedding-jason-corbetts-sister-34345782.html

This is a very frightening but very possible scenario. If TM and SM were awakened in the basement...which usually has insulation since it is not part of the "main house"....surely the children would have awakened upstairs...immediately above the Master bedroom in the main house. How could they not? Unless they were administered something to make them sleep. I wonder if the police found them STILL asleep.

The sworn comment from Tracey Lynch is intriguing. Maybe MM found her irritating during her visit and MM decided to have her Sick for a few days.

 

[emmalpage81]

I hope I am not right but if the children did sleep through it I would have serious worries as to why they did. It must have been very loud Tom and Sharon were awoken by it and with the amount of injuries to Jason I would think that he probably screamed the place down . Maybe that would be why they looked for murder one We don't have the transcript of the custody hearing but Tracey did say under oath we don't know what was said immediately before this but could she have been saying that that something was put into her drink? If there was a story relayed back to others about Molly putting drugs into people drinks and the police are aware of that fact they may have to testify in court . Supposing we assume for one minute Jason was spiked. He had a heart defect, trazadone is dangerous for patients with heart problems. On the other hand trazadone is regularly prescribed for patients with Bi-polar. My question is could the kids have ingested something to make them sleep? And maybe it's most likely that the guardians have already ran these tests the day the children were handed into their care and have this proof aside for the trial? What will the defence do then. Also what if there is already evidence of Molly spiking other people? Again its speculation on my part not fact .

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...r-wedding-jason-corbetts-sister-34345782.html

To be honest, with everything we have learnt about MM and her extended family, I would say anything is possible.

 

[kittythehare]

I hope I am not right but if the children did sleep through it I would have serious worries as to why they did. It must have been very loud Tom and Sharon were awoken by it and with the amount of injuries to Jason I would think that he probably screamed the place down . Maybe that would be why they looked for murder one We don't have the transcript of the custody hearing but Tracey did say under oath we don't know what was said immediately before this but could she have been saying that that something was put into her drink? If there was a story relayed back to others about Molly putting drugs into people drinks and the police are aware of that fact they may have to testify in court . Supposing we assume for one minute Jason was spiked. He had a heart defect, trazadone is dangerous for patients with heart problems. On the other hand trazadone is regularly prescribed for patients with Bi-polar. My question is could the kids have ingested something to make them sleep? And maybe it's most likely that the guardians have already ran these tests the day the children were handed into their care and have this proof aside for the trial? What will the defence do then. Also what if there is already evidence of Molly spiking other people? Again its speculation on my part not fact .

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...r-wedding-jason-corbetts-sister-34345782.html

I was wondering about this too.
Do you remember the interview which stated Molly would leave her meds, her lithium to be precise where the children could easily access it?
And that was during visits to Tracey's house when they were home on holiday.
Remember her mania came in cycles.. waves up and waves low.. I believe its possible he called them. She was escalating and he had learnt the signs by now.

Also Keith claimed she had 'it' all her life.
it is possible she was heavily medicated as a child herself, by her parents. In those cases its a much smaller step to medicate your own children.
Its almost 'normal'.

There was a part of the 911 call, very close to the end when people thought she was trying to keep the children away from the room where their father's bloodied corpse lay.. I didnt hear it that way, I interpreted it as paramedics trying to get her out of the room while they worked.
If the children were anywhere around that room that night after the murder, there is no way they were being properly tended.

What exactly was Sharon doing, if not caring for them and protecting them from this sight?
If it was a case that they awoke and sleepily wandered in there had either been no noise from the attack or they had been drugged.

If they were drugged, who administered the medicines?
It would also suggest pre-meditation.
Jason's apparent inability to defend himself suggests he was poisoned with a drug that causes paralysis, is possibly combined with traz tho traz has a longer half life than the other ingredients, 8 hrs,
Sux, is an anaesthetic used in hospitals and vet practices, its difficult to detect on autopsy. It causes paralysis, person is alive aware, but cannot move or speak.

I am personally firmly of the belief that he received that or a similar drug. If I am right and if the children were also medicated, we are talking first degree murder, not self defense and not manslaughter.
Very few drugs are actually checked on autopsy.. only the most common.

Molly was thinking talking divorce for 2 years.. but she could not lose him because she would lose the children and his wealth.
Its a possibility, glad you mentioned it..
link to sux- http://www.frca.co.uk/article.aspx?articleid=229

 

[Logic-lady]

Now, despite the claims of mollys bipolar, was she unstable at the time of the attack... I don't think she was..wouldn't the first place she should go or be ordered to go is the nearest psych ward to both protect herself and those around her. The child services in NC who met her in the aftermath would have been looking for signs of instability while asessing her and didn't see anything wrong, she is able to give instructions to her lawyers and seemingly functioning normally since for her court appearances. I'm on the fence about the bipolar and the part it plays in this murder to be honest. Did she actually have bipolar or was it a form of depression she had, il await medical evidence on this. She claims not to have taken medication in eight years which would tie in with the timeline of her coming to Ireland, it's just not possible for a person with bipolar to function normally for eight years without a carefully followed medication plan. Its a Massive and foolish lie for her to tell when her life is on the line which is easily verified. I am of the view she is and was very much stable and in control of her actions whether or not she suffered some of form of mental illness eight years ago and prior, i dont believe at the time of the murder she was suffering from mental health. There's just something odd about this and her side have offered nothing to rebutt any of what has been said which is in line with what their strategy has been so far...to reveal as little as possible. Such interviews like KMs are giving them fodder to work with. Has her previous mental health problems any relevance to the upcoming trial, at the moment I don't think it has. Telling a lie or being vague about previous medical history in the past does not make a person a murderer and this can be explained away that she was ashamed and worried how people incl jasons family would react if she revealed all, this is what the defence will say and there are plenty who can relate to that. I wish we knew more of her alleged version of events of what led up to this. Something made her snap and I really really would love to know for sure what it was but il have to patiently wait for the trial for this!

Interesting viewpoint, and certainly damning if proved true! More psychopathic than bipolar, controlling her audience and elliciting the results that she wants...I can see how that would tie in with the timeline of the FB posts getting progressively more bitter as time rolled on and she lost more and more control, and judgements started going against her. In the beginning she had complete control, of the children, of her parents, of DSS, she portrayed an image that achieved her ultimate aim - the children and the money were hers. She had succeeded in achieving everything she wanted. I wonder if there are any links to bipolar and psychosis?

For me, the KM book reinforces too much of what we've heard already from other sources to discount it, and I'm more questioning of Molly's 'truths' than others at this point!

 

[emmalpage81]

My first thoughts after the autopsy and toxicology results were released was that JC had been slipped the traxodone to make him sleep. That MM had planned on leaving him and taking the children with her (hence bringing them back from the sleepover so late), that JC had awoken but was very groggy from the drug and had told her she was not taking his children and MM went into a complete rage. Still groggy JC could only lift his arms to protect himself; not fight back. I did not, and still do not, believe there was screaming. I think both TM and SM were informed after the fact and then the lifelong 'protect our reputation' mentality kicked in. TM was so calm on the phone, how could he have simply forgotten one of the weapons used? All my own opinion obviously.

 

[kittythehare]

Yes true about the bat. Was the exact location of the bat when he or she picked it up ever disclosed yet or will we ever know for sure? Hard to establish this IMO. It could have been anywhere, either in the garage or it could have been lying in the hallway. They really only have TMs version of events in this respect to go on unless someone else who was in the house earlier that evening can recall specifically seeing it. I am firmly of the belief still until I hear to the contrary that TM is covering to a certain extent for MM, that she started the whole thing off with the paving brick and Jason was struggling with her to disarm her and also trying to defend himself and TM walked in just at the moment Jason possibly had his hands on her, not to physically abuse her, but naturally outraged at her attack on him and doing what comes natural when one is attacked which is to try defend himself by whatever means either by pushing or trying to restrain her. TM reacts as many a father would do on what greeted him. However, its only afterwards when he assesses the scene he realises that he didn't inflict all the damage with the bat but molly and the paving brick did. Is it possible he could have survived the attack if he were hit with just the bat I wonder?

Now, despite the claims of mollys bipolar, was she unstable at the time of the attack... I don't think she was..wouldn't the first place she should go or be ordered to go is the nearest psych ward to both protect herself and those around her. The child services in NC who met her in the aftermath would have been looking for signs of instability while asessing her and didn't see anything wrong, she is able to give instructions to her lawyers and seemingly functioning normally since for her court appearances. I'm on the fence about the bipolar and the part it plays in this murder to be honest. Did she actually have bipolar or was it a form of depression she had, il await medical evidence on this. She claims not to have taken medication in eight years which would tie in with the timeline of her coming to Ireland, it's just not possible for a person with bipolar to function normally for eight years without a carefully followed medication plan. Its a Massive and foolish lie for her to tell when her life is on the line which is easily verified. I am of the view she is and was very much stable and in control of her actions whether or not she suffered some of form of mental illness eight years ago and prior, i dont believe at the time of the murder she was suffering from mental health. There's just something odd about this and her side have offered nothing to rebutt any of what has been said which is in line with what their strategy has been so far...to reveal as little as possible. Such interviews like KMs are giving them fodder to work with. Has her previous mental health problems any relevance to the upcoming trial, at the moment I don't think it has. Telling a lie or being vague about previous medical history in the past does not make a person a murderer and this can be explained away that she was ashamed and worried how people incl jasons family would react if she revealed all, this is what the defence will say and there are plenty who can relate to that. I wish we knew more of her alleged version of events of what led up to this. Something made her snap and I really really would love to know for sure what it was but il have to patiently wait for the trial for this!

Well if she was not unstable at the time of the attack, what was she exactly?

 

[Hotchips]

Well if she was not unstable at the time of the attack, what was she exactly?

In control of her actions. The easiest route for her to take when entering her plea would have been to claim insanity or mental defect, however she did not so that leads me to believe they could not provide medical evidence she was unstable or suffering from the effects of a mental illness at the time of the murder.

 

[stmarysmead]

In control of her actions. The easiest route for her to take when entering her plea would have been to claim insanity or mental defect, however she did not so that leads me to believe they could not provide medical evidence she was unstable or suffering from the effects of a mental illness at the time of the murder.

Or is she still ashamed of her illness? Maginn relates that in the book as well. She was terrified of anyone knowing. Was this the Family Secret that bound them all together? Is TM lying because the family feels that they can invent a story, blame the victim, and still pretend that they are the perfect family?

Mm's FB page is scary in her attempt to portray herself as perfect. Maybe that's what Mommy and Daddy required of her.

 

[kittythehare]

In control of her actions. The easiest route for her to take when entering her plea would have been to claim insanity or mental defect, however she did not so that leads me to believe they could not provide medical evidence she was unstable or suffering from the effects of a mental illness at the time of the murder.

Good point.
Molly was narcissistic though. Is still.
Paranoid about anybody finding out about a diagnosis she had lived with since age of 15.
Still petrified people would find out when she was with keith, 10years later.
I was thinking earlier that the easiest thing for her to have done was sit in a corner rocking furiously for several hours when the police got there, claiming amnesia and god only knows what else.

I dont usually work with disease labels and when I use them here its more in the effort of shortening descriptions.
She could have gotten away with that, a plea of amnesia, hysteria, breakdown.

i would have tried that one.
It is a measure of her vanity, her almost sociopathic approach to the murder of her husband, her rapidly changing personality and moods, looks a lot like paranoid schizophrenia, drug addiction, booze addiction.. she is quite possibly a psychopath.

 

[stephanddoody]

In control of her actions. The easiest route for her to take when entering her plea would have been to claim insanity or mental defect, however she did not so that leads me to believe they could not provide medical evidence she was unstable or suffering from the effects of a mental illness at the time of the murder.

I don't think you would secure freedom or gain custody by pleading insanity IMO

 

[Logic-lady]

Good point.
Molly was narcissistic though. Is still.
Paranoid about anybody finding out about a diagnosis she had lived with since age of 15.
Still petrified people would find out when she ws with keith, 10yyears later.
I was thinking earlier that the easiest thing for her to have done was sit in a corner rocking furiously for several hours when the police got there, claiming amnesia and god only knows what else.

I dont usually work with disease labels and when I use them here its more in the effort of shortening descriptions.
She could have gotten away wth that, a plea of amnesia, hysteria, breakdown.

i would have tried that one.
It is a measure of her vanity, her almost sociopathic approach to the murder of her children, her rapidly changing personality and moods, looks a lot like paranoid schizophrenia, drug addiction, booze addiction.. she is quite possibly a psychopath.

I agree, I think I said it before, the only hope they have of no jail time is to convincingly sell the self defense theory...any other charge would accrue some other type of incarceration and IMO, there is an arrogance in regards to the charges that highlights they don't believe they should be punished at all.

 

[stmarysmead]

I have also been curious about the charging documents mentioning "timeline." Could it be that tests or evidence indicate that the time of the crime/death and the time of the 911 call are not following spontaneously after one another as we have been led to believe? It's always puzzled me that a 65 year old man could be in a "donnybrook" of extreme physical exertion...and not even be winded in that call.

If there is an unaccounted interval there...where was Sharon? What were they doing? Why was delay necessary?

 

[kittythehare]

I have also been curious about the charging documents mentioning "timeline." Could it be that tests or evidence indicate that the time of the crime/death and the time of the 911 call are not following spontaneously after one another as we have been led to believe? It's always puzzled me that a 65 year old man could be in a "donnybrook" of extreme physical exertion...and not even be winded in that call.

If there is an unaccounted interval there...where was Sharon? What were they doing? Why was delay necessary?

Yeah,
Same as that!