GUILTY NC - Kathy Taft, 62, Raleigh, 6 March 2010 - #6

[gracielee]

It was such a disturbing thing, the towels and vegetables, so they never *told* any of the doctors??? That makes no sense at all. Why bother even going to therapy if one isn't going to detail, disclose what the problems are???

 

[seattlechiquita]

It is super sad to see how she is now taking way too long to answer anything, going in circles. She is not looking at the jury anymore while she answers -- she did while she was being questioned by the defense. Red flag.

 

[seattlechiquita]

It was such a disturbing thing, the towels and vegetables, so they never *told* any of the doctors??? That makes no sense at all. Why bother even going to therapy if one isn't going to detail, disclose what the problems are???

No kidding. If all the family history she told is truth, she KNEW how being a closet gay affected at least 2 family members who became alcoholics; why not help her own kid? She knew what was coming. IF the stories she told this morning are true.

 

[gracielee]

Please, everything is about a 20 minute drive from our house. Sheesh!

 

[gracielee]

'the night this happened, you saw jason?' And she doesn't even acknowledge *what* happened? 'The night he raped and murdered a woman!'

 

[seattlechiquita]

Done for the day? Pfffft.

 

[NCEast]

I find myself comparing this mother to JY's mother. I honestly think this woman is decent, loving, and found herself in a huge hole with respect to her son. JY's mother would have said and/or done anything to protect her son to include lying to cover for him. I had no sympathy for her at all. This woman has endured a lot in her marriage and in raising her son and seems so very tired.

 

[seattlechiquita]

'the night this happened, you saw jason?' And she doesn't even acknowledge *what* happened? 'The night he raped and murdered a woman!'

I know right? Either *this* or *the incident*.... denial, denial, denial.

 

[gracielee]

I know right? Either *this* or *the incident*.... denial, denial, denial.

Yeah, she said 'you mean the night he told us he was fired from the Mellow Mushroom??? Uh, yeah, that too, but more importantly, the night of the day he raped and beat an innocent woman.

 

[Boodles]

I believe she believes everything she said today. And I get why they didn't talk about certain things, why they made the choices they did. It's part of their cycle, and she's still enabling although I think she believes she has seen the light. That's very sad to me, and I do hope she can get some help. I would not wish my worst enemy to be in her shoes.

And the Mellow Mushroom statement (vs acknowledging the rape/beating) was bizarre and was like a slap in the face. But she's still in that place with her reality.

 

[borndem]

Done for the day.

What a steel magnolia this woman is! I have a mental picture of her underneath the metaphorical Williford house, holding it up with her two bare hands for 20 years or so. You do what you have to do. She didn't do it all correctly, but how many of us could have truly done a whole lot better?

Mothers, kiss your sons tonight, and thank your God.

 

[NCEast]

I believe she believes everything she said today. And I get why they didn't talk about certain things, why they made the choices they did. It's part of their cycle, and she's still enabling although I think she believes she has seen the light. That's very sad to me, and I do hope she can get some help. I would not wish my worst enemy to be in her shoes.

I absolutely agree. I have put myself in the mothers' roles in the BC, JY and now this trial and I can't even begin to imagine what a nightmare it must be. I, too, hope this mother is getting professional help for *herself*.
We all raise our children the best we can but there are no guarantees.

 

[laces]

Okay, well I feel the whole story, the entire picture is a sad one. Motherhood doesn't come with a handbook telling what will happen if you do this, what will happen if you do that....Even if she HAD told every detail to the therapists, would the outcome have been different? Maybe yes, maybe no. We will never know, however the news is filled with stories of people who got help, and people who slipped through the cracks of social service and mental health services - I would be cautious about judging too fiercely here....Remember Kathy and her sister tried to do all the right things that night....it didn't matter. All we can do now is try to see that justice is done.
I am glad that the defendant's mother has a loving daughter at her side.

 

[NCB]

I find myself comparing this mother to JY's mother. I honestly think this woman is decent, loving, and found herself in a huge hole with respect to her son. JY's mother would have said and/or done anything to protect her son to include lying to cover for him. I had no sympathy for her at all. This woman has endured a lot in her marriage and in raising her son and seems so very tired.

She's tired because being a codependent is exhausting. Striving to keep a dysfunctional family marginally functional is very hard work. Her husband has addiction issues, her son has addiction issues, she suffers from panic attacks, etc... By the time JW was a teen, she was well-adept at the mind-bending trick of talking herself into and out of things she did/did not want to see. It is a requirement when coexisting in an environment like this.
I agree with you, NCEast, PY gave me the willies. I could "see" JY in PY--the craftiness, cagey-ness. I see this mom as more of a product of her environment (her family of origin) and her circumstances--codep/enabler, etc... I am certainly in no way holding her responsible for any of JW's actions.

 

[NCB]

OT--

Wake man arrested in Virginia, charged in wife's death

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/11133261/

What is it with Wake County??

 

[borndem]

I couldn't begin to count the number of times, with three teenage daughters in the house, I heard "Mom, SHE TOOK MY........" whatever clothes, shoes,


And did I hear her say they kept a bottle of bourbon around? I thought her husband was an alcoholic?

My thoughts exactly. My father was an alcoholic -- he quit drinking when I was 8 years old, joined AA, and never drank again. There was never a drop of alcohol in our house from the day he stopped until the day our house was sold after my mother died. It takes a lot of inner strength to stop drinking (or any other addition), but my Daddy did it -- one day at a time.

 

[NCEast]

OT--

Wake man arrested in Virginia, charged in wife's death

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/11133261/

What is it with Wake County??

Good grief. I don't think I'll live long enough to watch the subsequent trials that are on hold. I'm anxiously awaiting the Hayes/Haze trial that is slated for May, 2013.
By the way, I was under the impression that the Raven Abaroa trial was set for the fall of last year. Does anybody have an update on it?

 

[borndem]

If he was my kid, I'd have marched him in to therapy and MADE SURE the therapist was advised of ALL of my concerns about my child. Especially since this family was aware of and took advantage of therapy for the husband. This wasn't a family that was 'morally opposed to therapy', the way so many are. And that's the reason I've always tried to be honest about my own problems. IMO too many people hide mental problems. It's shameful to admit to having a mental illness to many. But this family used therapy for themselves. There's no reason prior therapist's shouldn't have been made aware of EXACTLY what the problems entailed IMO.

Yes, that should have been done, but would it have mattered? It might have resulted in hospitalization, but it certainly needed to be more that the 24 hours at Dix.

If you've paid for the medicine, and have the dose in the spoon, ready for him to take it, and he spits it out, what good is the doctor or the prescription

He was selfish, arrogant, figured his parents wouldn't/couldn't really do anything but take him to a new doctor to whom he could glibly tell lies and leave out the really bad stuff, get a new script, and it might buy him a little more time & patience. He got really good at that.

If he hadn't been arrested, either he or JF would surely be dead today. JW was truly a waste of protoplasm.

I guess the Williford parents are willing to parade their families around the courtroom since, I am sure, Conner said this was the only way to go. And maybe it was. He knew he had a loser to defend -- what alternatives did he have? And pleeeeze know that I am in no way defending it -- just trying to figure out WHY they are doing this. Still don't have a clue...

 

[borndem]

Turns out the baby was not Jason's and was not a grandchild. A DNA test proved JW was not the father...several months later.

Thank goodness a replica of his DNA is not loose in the world.

 

[borndem]

He tells quite elaborate lies for someone who is nuts IMO.

That must be his artistic side talking. (Obviously, I am od'ing on this schlock.)






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