NC - Keith Scott, 43, killed by LEO, Charlotte, 20 Sept 2016 #1

[Doghairrules]

Yeah. Like people calling all white people "devils" totally racist.

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We have a racial problem in this country, for sure. But black people aren't the ones who set up the entire system to benefit themselves. From land ownership to educational opportunities to job opportunities to interactions with police.


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[bluesneakers]

So they should wait till he pulled the trigger and killed an officer before they stopped the threat? They can not possibly know if and when the guy would shoot. They should not have to wait it out and hope they do not get shot b/c of the people who sit in their home watching it after the fact think they can do better.

Respectfully neither Tawny nor anyone I have seen on this thread has suggested such a thing.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The absurdity of it all blows my mind, In other states MJ, a small amount is legal.

Guns are legal in NC. Especially open carry,

I am not for drugs. I am not for guns.

America seems to be. But if one is black, you can be dead or incarcerated for it, If you are rich like Rush Limbaugh, your lille drug problem can be forgiven. If you wave a huge weapon at LE and you are white, you may live through it,

Charlie Sheen is on TV with a young kid doing his crazy stuff, but that was OK.

Too weird for me

I am for law and order. If something is illegal I don't do it,period. It doesn't matter what it is. I have nothing against MJ personally other than it is illegal to have in my state which I respect my state's laws. MJ ( I believe it is only some kind of oil or something like that) is illegal to possess in my state unless it is specifically for 8 serious medical conditions only.

Guns are never legal for anyone to openly carry in NC or anywhere else if they are an ex-felon. Ex-felons under no circumstances can have or own any firearms..........not even in their homes.

 

[bluesneakers]

Scott was breaking the law by being a convicted felon with a gun strapped to his leg that he decided to pull out and also breaking the law by being in possession of pot. I don't find it funny at all.

Especially since this lawlessness caused him to be killed so that he wouldn't hurt anyone. JMO

Open carry is legal in North Carolina. I've seen men walking around stores and parking lots with guns strapped to their legs.

 

[Ladylub]

That's not at all what I said but ok.

You wanted them to talk it out. How long do you talk it out to someone who has a gun? He can fire his weapon before they know "it's time" to shot the guy with the gun.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Thanks and always great to 'see' you my friend.

I haven't read all the details released so forgive me for this questions.

Is that all they found in his vehicle? Just the one blunt? I thought they may have called in his tag number and knew beforehand he was an ex-felon.

And how many witnesses have come forward that confirm what PCKP has stated all along? Did they release any of the transcripts of the witness statements?

IMO

We have seen the one picture of the single "blunt." Apparently the undercover officers observed Scott with the blunt and correctly decided that it wasn't worth their time to do anything about. Then they observed that Scott had a gun. That changed the situation. A person with a controlled substance and a firearm is a danger to the public and needs to at least be detained so as to determine what's going on.

Scott didn't cooperate, ignored commands to drop his gun and was fatally shot by police. I don't know if LE knew Scott was a felon before they attempted to detain him. LE has said they interviewed everyone who would talk to them. No transcripts have been released at this point. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I would hope they DID call it in and DID know he was a felon. I'm just curious why they haven't said that by now, you know? It would have justified it from the start instead of all this chaos with people wondering why they approached him like they did. JMO

I thought the PC said that further information/evidence will be coming out beyond what has been released today? Maybe they are going to release more when they can compile more than just one or two pieces of evidence.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Open carry is legal in North Carolina. I've seen men walking around stores and parking lots with guns strapped to their legs.

This case involves a convicted felon who had a gun in his possession. I can't find anything that says a convicted felon can open carry, conceal carry or in anyway posses a firearm in North Carolina.

The only way I think it's possble is if Scott had his felony conviction expunged from his record. I haven't seen that reported. JMO

 

[human]

This case involves a convicted felon who had a gun in his possession. I can't find anything that says a convicted felon can open carry, conceal carry or in anyway posses a firearm in North Carolina.

The only way I think it's possble is if Scott had his felony conviction expunged from his record. I haven't seen that reported. JMO

Did they know who he was? How would they know? Even if a car is registered it does not identify who is sitting in the car, or does your driver's license look like you?

 

[ohreally]

I want to see the witness statements. Mainly to see if any witnesses say it was a habit of his to show up at the bus area and show his gun. As much as I want to see them, I also think law enforcement needs to make sure all witnesses are protected from retaliation.

 

[human]

You wanted them to talk it out. How long do you talk it out to someone who has a gun? He can fire his weapon before they know "it's time" to shot the guy with the gun.

I have seen some youtubes where LE talks for many many minutes to white guys holding scary looking weapons.

 

[Caffeine]

Open carry is legal in North Carolina. I've seen men walking around stores and parking lots with guns strapped to their legs.

Legal...for those without felony convictions.

Though, I think Chapel Hill has banned all open carry.

NC is a funny state for that...you have legal open carry but then again you have the charge of "going armed to the terror of the public" which is essentially causing alarm when open carrying. What entails "alarm" isn't really specifically defined though.

 

[ohreally]

I have seen some youtubes where LE talks for many many minutes to white guys holding scary looking weapons.

Was the white guy in a position where if he took a few more steps backwards he would be in the clear to run, or was he cornered? Not every situation is the same require less of color.

 

[human]

I am for law and order. If something is illegal I don't do it,period. It doesn't matter what it is. I have nothing against MJ personally other than it is illegal to have in my state which I respect my state's laws. MJ ( I believe it is only some kind of oil or something like that) is illegal to possess in my state unless it is specifically for 8 serious medical conditions only.

Guns are never legal for anyone to openly carry in NC or anywhere else if they are an ex-felon. Ex-felons under no circumstances can have or own any firearms..........not even in their homes.

I imagine lots of states have laws that do not allow felons to have guns. But did LE have the slightest idea who he was?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Open carry is legal in North Carolina. I've seen men walking around stores and parking lots with guns strapped to their legs.

Not for an ex-felon though, Blue, and it isn't like they don't know they are in possession of an illegal firearm they are never suppose to have. They know because it can get them sent back to prison/jail if they are found to be in possession of one if they are still on parole/probation. Even if not on probation/parole, it can get them a brand new federal gun charge for being an ex-felon in possession of a firearm.. Many in the Chicago gangs are ex-felons who have had that attached felony added to their charges if they are in possession of an illegal firearm at the time they committed a crime or it was found when stopped by police. The gun possession charge for ex-felons enhances their sentence should they be convicted or they can be solely charged with that charge only..

Maybe if he had given them a chance and putdown his firearm he could have told them where he got the weapon.

 

[human]

Was the white guy in a position where if he took a few more steps backwards he would be in the clear to run, or was he cornered? Not every situation is the same require less of color.

I would google but I think when I spend the time, people do,not look or care. So if anyone wants to prove me wrong, have at it,

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Did they know who he was? How would they know? Even if a car is registered it does not identify who is sitting in the car, or does your driver's license look like you?

To be honest I don't know if LE had a clue who Scott was or that he fired a gun at someone 10 times in Texas. The thing is it's the actions that Scott took the day he died that matter the most.

Holding a gun and not dropping it when commanded by police is what got him shot. JMO

 

[Tawny]

I think the point of it being open-carry is this: IF they didn't know he was a felon, him having a gun is not a reason to suspect him of anything. If they DID know, then obviously yes. That's my big question right now. Had they identified him before approaching with such aggressive force over these two things: 1) MJ which they intended to ignore and 2) holding a firearm in an open carry state.

 

[silverkitty]

Open carry is legal in North Carolina. I've seen men walking around stores and parking lots with guns strapped to their legs.

Open carry, concealed carry, all require a background check and gun safety class. They are tested and receive a permit, which they MUST show to law enforcement upon demand. It's not the Wild West where you can just strap on a holster or belt. The whole "it's legal in NC" argument is really a non-starter. Your home is the only place it's legal to have a gun without needing a permit --- unless you are a felon or live with one.

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[oceanblueeyes]

I imagine lots of states have laws that do not allow felons to have guns. But did LE have the slightest idea who he was?

I believe that applies in all states.

I think so since they sat there undercover they may have called his tag number in and they may have sent them back a photo/rap sheet, but they would have known it was illegal anyway once they approached him. They already knew he had his weapon. That is, if he had put his weapon down, and not made very bad choices for himself instead.