NC - Keith Scott, 43, killed by LEO, Charlotte, 20 Sept 2016 #1

[silverkitty]

Personally, I see him backing up to possibly get down on the ground.

There is no way to know what he was going to do next. Speculation gets us nowhere IMO

Saying that is akin to telling us to shut the discussion down. Thanks, but I think the discussion is valuable and should continue.

Backing up to lay down? What leads you to believe he was going to surrender when he had a locked and loaded gun in his hand the entire time? That would be the first thing to do in a surrender position. He was having none of that.



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[Tawny]

What happened to his first amendment rights. He was only stating an opinion.

That's not how that works. The government didn't oppress him for his opinion.

 

[drjones]

Not really. There is one big question, IMHO. Why didn't LE try to deescalate? They took time to suit up and then returned to confront him. Then they went in like the perp had kidnapped kids and had them tied up in the back of his vehicle. Not like he was smoking a blunt. And, I've seen no evidence he was waving a gun at anyone.

All MOO, of course.

they approached him like i would hope they would approach any person using drugs while armed in public.

they identified themselves and told him to put the weapon down and get out of the car, which he ignored.

 

[Tawny]

Saying that is akin to telling us to shut the discussion down. Thanks, but I think the discussion is valuable and should continue.

Backing up to lay down? What leads you to believe he was going to surrender when he had a locked and loaded gun in his hand the entire time? That would be the first thing to do in a surrender position. He was having none of that.



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I could say there's no way to tell if HE locked and loaded the gun but I'd just be seen as wearing tinfoil. JMO.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Not really. There is one big question, IMHO. Why didn't LE try to deescalate? They took time to suit up and then returned to confront him. Then they went in like the perp had kidnapped kids and had them tied up in the back of his vehicle. Not like he was smoking a blunt. And, I've seen no evidence he was waving a gun at anyone.

All MOO, of course.

In my opinion what escalated the situation was Scott not obeying lawful commands by LE while armed with a deadly weapon. He didn't need to "wave" the weapon to be a threat. It being in his hand is enough. JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It's tough to tell but I didn't see any threatening or aggressive moves either.

I still want to know why they approached him at all and what was initially said.

The aggression is having a loaded firearm in the first place and the failure to put it down when given that command more than once.

His weapon is very deadly. It doesn't take but a split second to fire a gun. That is the time span the officer has to make a decision whether he dies or lives by neutralizing the threat.

Anyone with a handgun in their hand refusing to put it down when interacting with LE is a serious threat. Just like it would be in a road rage incident if someone had a firearm in their hand at the time.

The PC is correct. This was very much a justifiable shooting. The officer cant wait for the person to make his next move.

The forensics to me along with all of the other evidence including eye witnesses are far more important than the video.

 

[popsicle]

Wow some witnesses at the scene are talking to the police and defending them. I have to wonder how many times he has done this routine. Show up at the bus stop park next to a parent waiting to pick up their child. Lights a joint and for to make sure they don't snitch makes sure they see his gun. For witnesses to back the police in a case like this I would think they were petrified of him.

I just watched a video, looks to be probably family lawyer/investigator questioning a supposed witness. She said the LEO that shot him was the guy in the red shirt. Well he is to the side of the truck and when the shots are fired you can tell it isn't him. The one man is taking notes and another comments, 'oh really.' She gives her name, spelling and everything. Feels like Ferguson all over again, wonder if she spoke to LE or if she is one that refused to.

 

[silverkitty]

Wait a minute. He's in the suv? I thought he was in the pickup. How in the world could they have seen a gun or marijuana from where they are standing? And why aren't we seeing the beginning of the interaction??


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The officers were taking cover behind the pickup -- dude had a gun, what would YOU do? They had pulled up in plainclothes and unmarked car (pickup?) when they saw the blunt AND the gun. They told him to drop the gun, he ignored, etc etc.

Really, the whole "innocently reading a book" argument is wearing kinda thin in light of the video, gun, holster, drugs.

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[Safeguard]

Personally, I see him backing up to possibly get down on the ground.
Speculation gets us nowhere IMO There is no way to know what he was going to do next

BBM
So...How long would you be willing to wait to see if he was going to fire his gun at you?

 

[Tawny]

BBM
So...How long would you be willing to wait to see if was going to fire his gun at you?

As long as it takes to save a life. Were they not behind cover? They were, clearly by the video. BTDT next.

I don't think it's wise to go down the "making it personal" road.

 

[bluesneakers]

Not really. There is one big question, IMHO. Why didn't LE try to deescalate? They took time to suit up and then returned to confront him. Then they went in like the perp had kidnapped kids and had them tied up in the back of his vehicle. Not like he was smoking a blunt. And, I've seen no evidence he was waving a gun at anyone.

All MOO, of course.

Jmo - they don't have to, or they're afraid, or they're lazy.

 

[silverkitty]

Wow. "I don't know why anyone would consider that racist. I'm not a racist. Nothing to see here." I'm paraphrasing.

We have a huge problem in this country that we could solve, but only if everyone admits that it's there and that it's a problem.


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Yeah. Like people calling all white people "devils" totally racist.

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[Deleted member 39678]

What happened to his first amendment rights. He was only stating an opinion.

The First Amendment only prevents the government from restricting speech. Private companies such as the Mariners or Websleuths can do all sorts of things about restricting speech. JMO

 

[ohreally]

What happened to his first amendment rights. He was only stating an opinion.

That's not how that works. The government didn't oppress him for his opinion.

What does the government have to do with the sports team? It was his team that shut down his first amendment rights while some times are saying that the first amendment rights of another race are OK. Double standard?

 

[Tawny]

What does the government have to do with the sports team? It was his team that shut down his first amendment rights while some times are saying that the first amendment rights of another race are OK. Double standard?

No.

The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition. It forbids Congress from both promoting one religion over others and also restricting an individual’s religious practices. It guarantees freedom of expression by prohibiting Congress from restricting the press or the rights of individuals to speak freely. It also guarantees the right of citizens to assemble peaceably and to petition their government.

The GOVERNMENT, meaning law enforcement et al, did not shut down his opinion. His PRIVATELY OWNED sports team did.

 

[popsicle]

I was wondering that too. I didn't but the video is less than clear and my eyes are old.


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I only see his tennis shoes afterwards. It appears during the confrontation he is directly forward of where Scott is. jmo

 

[ohreally]

No.

The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition. It forbids Congress from both promoting one religion over others and also restricting an individual’s religious practices. It guarantees freedom of expression by prohibiting Congress from restricting the press or the rights of individuals to speak freely. It also guarantees the right of citizens to assemble peaceably and to petition their government.

The GOVERNMENT, meaning law enforcement et al, did not shut down his opinion. His PRIVATELY OWNED sports team did.

Right. I agree the team did it. What I question is why is one sports team basically firing him for voicing his views while other teams are saying their players have first admendment rights. It seems to me to be a double standard. Sports teams are all for protesting the flag, but speak out on the other side and you get suspended. Just my view.

 

[Caffeine]

The First Amendment only prevents the government from restricting speech. Private companies such as the Mariners or Websleuths can do all sorts of things about restricting speech. JMO

What about his second amendment rights?

Oh wait, he's a felon.

The fact they decided he was above the law pretty much sealed his fate here. He's a convicted felon playing with a gun and smoking a blunt inside his car.

We can downplay it all we want, but what he was doing was illegal and he was caught by the police. His actions thereafter didn't help either.

 

[ninij9]

What happened to his first amendment rights. He was only stating an opinion.

It's politically incorrect to be white and have an opinion, don't you know?

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[JLSChook]

De-escalation. Lol.

I love how computer warriors have the gall to say what LE should have done, while sipping hot cocoa behind their computers/phones/Tablets, etc..

So easy to say what a person would/should do when the person wasn't there and NEVER will be in that situation. I'm sorry but that's just plain silly and disrespectful to those who put their literal lives on the line every day for the same animals that are constantly trying to kill them or are calling for their deaths.

Ridiculous.

Now that this case is finally done (most of us knew the truth from the onset), I'll move on to somewhere more productive.

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