NC - Keith Scott, 43, killed by LEO, Charlotte, 20 Sept 2016 #1

[bluesneakers]

Same LE officers? Same criminal? If not then not a valid argument. Different people different situation. Can not look at one and try to compare.

Sigh. No, of course not.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

 

[ohreally]

Girl on live broadcast said she saw the cop throw the gun on the ground

Really!! So the cops planted the gun and with his wife standing right there filming and were able to get his DNA and finger prints on the gun and the wife didn't see this. Then they were also able to plant a gun holster on him. They did all and still had time to get rid of the book. They did all of this with two police cameras rolling, wife filming and several others filming. Dang they are good. The girl either will say anything in hopes of inflaming more violence or really has a need for her fifteen minutes of fame. IMO

 

[katydid23]

Girl on live broadcast said she saw the cop throw the gun on the ground

So first, the cops screamed a dozen times at him, to drop his gun. They did that for awhile, just so they could later drop a gun there? Did the victim ever reply that he had no gun while they were yelling for him to drop it?

That girl is looking for her 15 minutes, in my opinion. :cow:

 

[Ladylub]

Sigh. No, of course not.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Sigh The only man behind the curtain I see are criminals who think they do not have to abide by the law and those that will back the criminals no matter what. Sure there are some cases when LE should not have shot this is not one. He was given plenty of chances to drop the gun and he refused to drop the gun.

 

[human]

1. When LE sees someone with a gun in NC, do they run the license plate through the data base? What if a person is walking with a gun? What does LE do? How does LE know if someone is a felon with a gun?

2. How did they know he was smoking mj? Could it have been some crappy cigar? I mean at the time. How did they know it was MJ?

 

[CoolJ]

Really!! So the cops planted the gun and with his wife standing right there filming and were able to get his DNA and finger prints on the gun and the wife didn't see this. Then they were also able to plant a gun holster on him. They did all and still had time to get rid of the book. They did all of this with two police cameras rolling, wife filming and several others filming. Dang they are good. The girl either will say anything in hopes of inflaming more violence or really has a need for her fifteen minutes of fame. IMO

anybody can say anything on these live feeds!

 

[bluesneakers]

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[1&2&3]

What is all the fuss about?

The picture of the gun, released by LE, shows what was found at the scene. Where is this "book" that he supposedly had? It certainly was not found at the scene.

I know that there can be dirty cops and the story is not what it seems. However, there is nothing in this case to even suggest such a thing. The lies appear to be coming from Mr. Lamont's own family. Look at the ruckus those lies have caused!

Don't even try to blame his not understanding or following directions to put the gun down on his TBI! He was at a school bus stop where there were other children going to be getting off the bus. He is there with a TBI, smoking marijuana, and has a gun. A nightmare waiting to happen IMO!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM This is what I can't understand! Why was he taking that kind of risk knowing the trouble he could get into if caught?

It makes me wonder if there will be more found of other drugs when the tox results come back in.

I cant understand why he or anyone else for that matter comes out with a handgun when the police are telling them over and over and over again to drop it and they refuse to drop their weapon. They gave him many chances. Why didn't he just do as they asked? FGS, was worth his life to him just to confront the police? It certainly wasn't in his best interest to be defiant. Now many children have no father when all of this was so preventable. He should have gotten out of his pickup empty handed with his hands up when they were at the truck. If he had done so he would be enjoying the fall weather in NC.

It has never made any sense to me but I see it happen in many other cases where it resulted in other cops having to take another's life to defend themselves from being shot and killed. Most who are shot and killed by cops are very confrontational individuals who refuse to comply to even the simplest of commands. That seems to be the number one common denominator in 99% of these type of cases. The 10 white people during this month who were shot and killed by a cop in various cities in a three day time period also were extremely confrontational and most had firearms they refused to give up or they had shootouts with them. Why in the hell would anyone do that? I have no answer. You are right it is not understandable and its shocking actually.

I guess criminals must have a much different mindset than those who never have been in the justice system when approached by police officers. Perhaps they blame the police for them going to prison/jail instead of placing blame where it actually is and it is all because of their own wrongdoings. It does seem we have dissolved into being a society who always places blame on someone else rather than owning up to personal responsibility and accountability. Why some have such a adverse violent reaction response to those in authority has been puzzling to me for sometimes. We not only see it regularly with our police officers who are trying to serve and protect us but has also infiltrated our school systems now where teachers/staff/ principals have even been killed or unmercifully beaten all because the offender did not want to abide by society's norms or the rule of law.. It has even changed on how the elderly is treated. There was a time most in America respect the elderly. That too seems to be passing and in its place many elderly are seen only as easy targets for crimes to be perpetrated against them. No longer do many refrain from cussing up a blue streak around someone who is elderly. I can remember a time where none of these extremely negative behaviors were almost nonexistent. Now its commonplace.

Also some of these cases are being built on totally false narratives on exactly what really happened. I find that becoming more and more aggravating. That seems to be the way it goes now. Its a good rule of thumb to never believe what any first witness says when something like this happens and to wait for the facts to come out instead. I just wish the protestors had waited before all the horrific damage was done in Charlotte but that never seems to happen either.

Going back to prison if he violated parole or having a new gun charge causing him to have to serve more time is far better than the very poor decisions he made that day. At least he would have his life back once he had served his sentence for the gun violation charge. I guess people like this aren't capable of applying common sense enough to know this behavior would only end badly for them.

What a waste. Complying to simple commands isn't hard. In fact it is very easy. If he had only complied we wouldn't even be here talking about this case and the beautiful city of Charlotte will still be a peaceful place. Didn't Mr. Scott have a lot of children? I wish he had stopped and thought about them instead of doing the reckless dangerous acts he did that cost him his own life.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

BBM This is what I can't understand! Why was he taking that kind of risk knowing the trouble he could get into if caught?

He felt shooting at someone 10 times was a way to solve a problem at his aggravated assault felony sentencing. He didn't think that talking calmly to Trinidad or deescalating the situation was the way to go.

He told the judge that Trinidad “put my wife and kids in total fear, and I didn’t know what to do. I was scared to go and talk to him. But I figured I would be less of a man if I didn’t stand up for my family and go and try to tell him, ‘You know, you need to back off.’ I didn’t have any intentions to really hurt the young man.”

To which the judge replied: “You shot at him ten times.”

This man didn't know how to handle a situation without using violence. It's clear to me that the citizens of Charlotte owe the officers that stopped Scott from harming anyone a debt of gratitude. JMO

http://www.chron.com/news/local/article/Keith-Scott-killed-by-Charlotte-police-had-9242836.php

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Girl on live broadcast said she saw the cop throw the gun on the ground

Here we go again!

Is this perhaps being said on CNN or MSNC?

 

[Dogface]

Just catching up now...have some questions and also some points I would like to make.

1. I know it's often considered a bigger crime to be in possession of a gun when under the influence. I wonder if that's the case here?

2. What is the area like at these apartments? High crime or just average? I say this only because in my younger days I use to travel to Detroit because I had some friends who were rappers there, and when we would be in the worse areas, if some people were chilling next to you, it was common practice to flash guns at each other to let each other know you were both strapped. I actually had a friend, Obie Trice, who got shot in the head for doing this very thing at a red light. It was almost like "here's my piece" and the other person would show theirs back, and they would either nod like "alright cool" or it could escalate quickly, it was also a way to warn jackers not to mess with you. . I could see KS doing this being he didn't know the guys, didn't want to get jacked, and was letting them know he was packing. (ETA: I mean he didn't know/recognize the undercovers)

3. Does North Carolina have school zones with posted times? Regardless, I imagine the cops wee aware that school buses may be coming soon, and I'm certain that a shootout/chase with an armed person under the influence is something they felt needed to be avoided.

I know I had more than three points when i started but I seem to have forgotten the rest.

 

[ohreally]

1. When LE sees someone with a gun in NC, do they run the license plate through the data base? What if a person is walking with a gun? What does LE do? How does LE know if someone is a felon with a gun?

2. How did they know he was smoking mj? Could it have been some crappy cigar? I mean at the time. How did they know it was MJ?

I don't think they have to know. I think there only have to have reasonable suspicion. Isn't there a usually a big difference from the way a person smokes a cigar (not inhaling) and the way they smoke marijuana (inhaled deeply)? Police can be very observant.

 

[Safeguard]

What is all the fuss about?

The picture of the gun, released by LE, shows what was found at the scene. Where is this "book" that he supposedly had? It certainly was not found at the scene.

I know that there can be dirty cops and the story is not what it seems. However, there is nothing in this case to even suggest such a thing. The lies appear to be coming from Mr. Lamont's own family. Look at the ruckus those lies have caused!

Don't even try to blame his not understanding or following directions to put the gun down on his TBI! He was at a school bus stop where there were other children going to be getting off the bus. He is there with a TBI, smoking marijuana, and has a gun. A nightmare waiting to happen IMO!

Maybe it was an ebook, he was reading on his phone, and that's why he sent his wife to get the charger, because he was at a good part!, And maybe...because of his TBI... he mistook his gun for his phone and that's why he didn't drop it! And that's how ridiculous all these excuses for this guy are becoming imo

I am grateful that no cops (or kids!) were killed by this guy!

 

[Dogface]

Also, as far as knowing it was MJ, first, if you see someone breaking a cigar down, they are never filling it back up with tobacco(now I'm not sure at what point they saw him as far as rolling vs smoking) but marijuana has a distinct smell, which can be smelled through a car easily, especially if it's loud. Also, when people roll a blunt they also tend to "seal" the seam by running a lighter up and down it. Also, holding in the smoke would be another big indicator. You puff a cigar, you hit and inhale a blunf.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Just catching up now...have some questions and also some points I would like to make.

1. I know it's often considered a bigger crime to be in possession of a gun when under the influence. I wonder if that's the case here?

SBM

I'll only address number one.

In this case it didn't matter to the officers if Scott was under the influence of anything as much as they saw him in possession of an illegal drug and then in possession of a firearm. Scott then became a public safety issue that the police needed to investigate.

Possession of an illegal drug was clear and possession of a firearm was clear to the officers. JMO.

 

[Doghairrules]

Is it legal in North Carolina for someone under the influence of any drug or alcohol to carry a gun?

We are too concerned about what bathrooms people use to worry about that.


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[1&2&3]

After reading all the posts regarding "open carry" of guns, I have to make a comment.

In my 35 years of living in NC, I did not know about this law or have never seen anyone carrying a gun in plain sight. Reading the comments makes it sound like guns are out in the open, freely carried by people. This is not the case.

It is extremely important to get a "concealed carry" permit and to have it with you at all times.

 

[grillzgirl]

Many people might finally have some representation and power. IMO that's why people are so afraid of the organization. They're comfortable with the level of police brutality we have now - they don't care about the oppressed and systemic racism works in their favor so by all means, please keep the world as it is.

Many people? Power? So we are going to take something that now represents the majority of the people (in this case the City of Charlotte) and place that power in the hands of a small minority of people that are in these troubled communities and let them run the show?

Who is comfortable with the level of police brutality? Who specifically are you referring to? I am not comfortable with police brutality and I'm sure as heck not comfortable with handing power over to BLM.

This man was not oppressed and it's not that people don't "care". The bottom line is that if he had complied with the NUMEROUS commands given to him to drop his illegal firearm, he would still be breathing. Period. This is not about police brutality, it's about common sense and following the law, something he apparently had trouble doing throughout his life.

So, dude was high, waving a gun at cops, ignoring commands, gets shot. Game over, case closed.

Sounds right to me. Sorry, but it is what it is. They destroyed another city for this.

Unbelievable.

Exactly.

That's about it. I don't understand why these "protesters" pick their fights the way they do. They use miscreants as hero's. I don't get it. JMO

I agree. Any answer they are given, no matter how much evidence points to the truth and facts, is not good enough. It never will be.

Yeah. Like people calling all white people "devils" totally racist.

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But that's ok. They don't want to talk about racism on their end. It's a one way street for them.

It's politically incorrect to be white and have an opinion, don't you know?

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But..........white privilege and all that jazz.

De-escalation. Lol.

I love how computer warriors have the gall to say what LE should have done, while sipping hot cocoa behind their computers/phones/Tablets, etc..

So easy to say what a person would/should do when the person wasn't there and NEVER will be in that situation. I'm sorry but that's just plain silly and disrespectful to those who put their literal lives on the line every day for the same animals that are constantly trying to kill them or are calling for their deaths.

Ridiculous.

Now that this case is finally done (most of us knew the truth from the onset), I'll move on to somewhere more productive.

:seeya:

:goodpost:

 

[1&2&3]

Sorry folks for calling Keith Scott, Mr. Lamont! Guess I had a brain freeze.:blushing: