NC - Keith Scott, 43, killed by LEO, Charlotte, 20 Sept 2016 #1

[CoolJ]

What is it with these damn bodycams delaying the audio? They expect us to believe they cannot make a bodycam that simulataneaously records the audio immediately upon being activated? I'm going to look into that one a little more closely. Doesn't add up. This is not 1996.

 

[K_Z]

The Latest: Officers Surround Charlotte Stadium Protesters

1 p.m.

A group of around 100 demonstrators have gathered across the street from Bank of America Stadium to protest the shooting death last week of a man by a Charlotte-Mecklenburg police officer.

The protesters, holding signs and led by a man on a bullhorn, were surrounded by at least two dozen police officers on bicycles on Sunday afternoon.

Their message competed with the noise of fans streaming toward the stadium and an impromptu jazz band playing tunes less than a block away.

Inside the stadium, people attending the game between the Minnesota Vikings and the Carolina Panthers watched the protesters from access ramps to the upper level.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-protests-expected-charlotte-panthers-game-42340749

Glad that it's a small crowd of protesters, and that they are contained and away from customers so they can't hurt any of them.

About 50 Charlotte-Mecklenburg police officers dressed in riot gear received an ovation from fans waiting to get into Bank of America Stadium for Sunday's NFL game.

Security around the stadium was increased in light of recent protests over the shooting death of Keith Lamont Scott by a police officer last Tuesday. In addition to the regular contingent of police officers, North Carolina Highway Patrol troopers placed vehicles on the street surrounding the stadium. Officers in full gear were stationed about every 50 feet along the stadium's east perimeter.

The city has declared the Sunday afternoon game between the Carolina Panthers and Minnesota Vikings an extraordinary event. That allows them to ban backpacks and regular items that can be used as weapons, such as chains and box cutters.

It also allows police more latitude to stop and search people within an area for several blocks in all directions from Bank of America Stadium.

 

[K_Z]

What do non-protesters across Charlotte think?

Derrick Jacobs: 'This is not a black/white thing. This is a blue/black thing.'Derrick Jacobs, a barber at the Mar'Cutz barber shop, says he'd rather speak out on social media than join the protests at night because "I don't think it's safe."

Andrew Deese: 'They always want to make it a race thing'. Deese said the protests have had a negative impact on workers like himself. "A lot of businesses have to close early," he said.

Chris Blowers: The situation is 'blown out of the water'. Chris Blowers, at a sports pub in Charlotte, said he thinks the "Black Lives Matter" movement is misguided.

Maurice Jones: 'From a white standpoint, you're intimidating'. Maurice Jones, right, says his heart starts pounding when he gets pulled over.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/25/us/charlotte-non-protesters-speak-out/

 

[bluesneakers]

[video=twitter;780065749981286404]https://twitter.com/NickCarboniWCNC/status/780065749981286404[/video]

 

[K_Z]

CMPD arrest man with pistol, magazine in his bag at Panthers game

Officers arrested Bruce Garmon when they found the unloaded pistol, as well as a fully-loaded magazine.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/cm...agazine-in-his-bag-at-panthers-game/450125855

The Carolina Panthers' game against the Minnesota Vikings at Bank of America Stadium had been designated an "extraordinary event" by the city, a designation that enabled Charlotte under a city ordinance to put in place certain restrictions, according to a Charlotte police press release.

The press release said "a variety of intelligence sources indicate that protests and acts of disruption will continue in Center City, Charlotte. Considering there will be large open crowds with public access, there is potential that harm could take place if a so motivated individual or group had the desire to do so," the release says. "In order to provide a safe and secure environment, we will need to expend significant public safety resources during this event."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/charlotte-boosts-security-panthers-game-amid-protests/story?id=42340414

According to a news release, Charlotte's interim city manager, Ron Kimble, made the declaration "to enhance public safety."

"An Extraordinary Event is defined as a large-scale​ event or an event of national or international significance which might attract a significant number of people to a certain geographic area of the city," the release said, adding that the designation "allows the city to modify its permitting process for activities such as parades and specifies particular items that are prohibited from being brought into certain boundaries of the event."

http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/panthers-vikings-game-declared-extraordinary-event/nsfB3/

 

[CoolJ]

Well, we've seen 3 different vantage points of this event and still nothing that shows a gun in his hand or him making any kind of threatening motions. I guess we just take the word of LE on this one?

 

[Jax49]

Reposting K_Z's link (sorry I can't get reply to work)

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/cm...agazine-in-his-bag-at-panthers-game/450125855

A gun that close to the stadium? Unbelievable. What the devil was he (God forbid) planning?

 

[K_Z]

An interesting couple of articles about riots, and the clash in philosophy on how to manage them. Are the police social workers? Or are they law enforcement officers? Which approach is historically the most effective?

IMO, the public is fed up with watching this happen over and over--the expense, the National Guard being called up, lives lost from civilian murders during riots, destruction of large swaths of property, looting and destruction of businesses, law abiding people being attacked or denied access to their homes, pulled from their cars, attacked and beaten, etc. We are, IMO, on the verge of a tremendous public and voter backlash against this kind of terroristic rioting and behavior, and the utter inability of "politically correct policing" to get control of the situation in the first hours. The fact that the overwhelming majority of these cases turn out to be justified shootings, months later, adds to the resentment and anger of the public, IMO. The public is mightily tired of the lies that are used to justify criminal behavior, IMO.

This is not a civil rights movement. MLK would never, ever, have approved or encouraged any of this, even with silence. He would have denounced this kind of behavior, in strong terms. Invoking his name to justify criminality is supremely dishonest, and defiles his message and his memory. It's truly disgusting, IMO.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439248/milwaukee-riots-police-response-shows-importance-policy

https://verdict.justia.com/2014/09/12/better-ferguson-response-looked-like

 

[katydid23]

Well, we've seen 3 different vantage points of this event and still nothing that shows a gun in his hand or him making any kind of threatening motions. I guess we just take the word of LE on this one?

Why were they yelling at him to drop his gun? Would they do that repeatedly if he had no gun?

If he didn't have one, wouldn't he say so, in reply? If cops are screaming at me to drop my weapon, and pointing guns at me, cussing me out, I am going to say ' HEY< I HAVE NO GUN'


What was his wife referring to when she surged him NOT TO DO IT?

The undercover cops reportedly saw him with the gun, so they went and got their equipment and COP gear and returned. Why would they have done all that if they hadn't seen a weapon? What purpose would they have to jack this guy up, scream at him to drop his gun repeatedly, and finally shoot him, then plant an ankle holster and gun, while his wife is standing and videoing it all?

That makes no sense.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Imo. When executing a search warrant; The officers usually all meet up prior to getting to the location to discuss the perp and what car they drive and which door to knock on and where to surround the suspect at.

So why were they pausing because a guy was rolling a joint?

Why didn't they simply head to the suspects front door.

So imo. The guy was startled and confused.

 

[K_Z]

Reposting K_Z's link (sorry I can't get reply to work)

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/cm...agazine-in-his-bag-at-panthers-game/450125855

A gun that close to the stadium? Unbelievable. What the devil was he (God forbid) planning?

It's not like it was a secret that there would be extra security, and guns and backpack prohibited. No law abiding gun owner would do something provocative like that. Thankfully, he was caught and arrested. He will probably be back on the streets in a few hours, but at least he was removed from the area during a time of heightened tensions and a big crowd. That alone may have prevented a shooting of a police officer, or an innocent football fan.

 

[katydid23]

Imo. When executing a search warrant; The officers usually all meet up prior to getting to the location to discuss the perp and what car they drive and which door to knock on and where to surround the suspect at.

So why were they pausing because a guy was rolling a joint?

Why didn't they simply head to the suspects front door.

So imo. The guy was startled and confused.

They were on a stake out. They did not know where the guy they were looking for was.

While sitting undercover in the lot, they saw the guy in the car next to them pull up, then begin rolling a blunt. THEY IGNORED THAT. It was not that big of a deal. But then they saw him flash a gun. This is the school bus stop. So if a guy is getting high and then playing with a gun, in a parking lot, they need to intervene.

 

[K_Z]

Imo. When executing a search warrant; The officers usually all meet up prior to getting to the location to discuss the perp and what car they drive and which door to knock on and where to surround the suspect at.

So why were they pausing because a guy was rolling a joint?

Why didn't they simply head to the suspects front door.

So imo. The guy was startled and confused.

I read or heard that the officers there were doing preliminary surveillance on the area IN PREPARATION to serve a warrant. That's why they had to leave and get their marked vests, and call for reinforcements. They weren't actually there that moment to serve the warrant. They probably needed to make sure the intended recipient of the warrant was home or something, before they assembled the "team" to serve the warrant. They discovered KS in the process of that surveillance. That's what I remember from the police chief's press conference.

By the way, the chief didn't come right out and say it, but I think they did some background checks of the license plate, and knew exactly who KS was, and that he was a convicted felon. They had a lot of time to research who he was, and even left the area to get reinforcements and their vests and gear. They KNEW who he was, IMO. I just think it will take a few months for that to come out, after the investigation is done, and decisions are made.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

[video=twitter;780065749981286404]https://twitter.com/NickCarboniWCNC/status/780065749981286404[/video]

Cam needs to focus on getting the damn ball to Kelvin Benjamin!

 

[bluesneakers]

Imo. When executing a search warrant; The officers usually all meet up prior to getting to the location to discuss the perp and what car they drive and which door to knock on and where to surround the suspect at.

So why were they pausing because a guy was rolling a joint?

Why didn't they simply head to the suspects front door.

So imo. The guy was startled and confused.

And justifiably frightened.

 

[drjones]

Imo. When executing a search warrant; The officers usually all meet up prior to getting to the location to discuss the perp and what car they drive and which door to knock on and where to surround the suspect at.

So why were they pausing because a guy was rolling a joint?

Why didn't they simply head to the suspects front door.

So imo. The guy was startled and confused.

did you read the police statement? they were going to ignore him, until they saw he had a gun.

we dont have all the details of exactly what was going on with the warrant, so im not going to criticize the decisions they made regarding changing any plans.

being startled and confused does not explain away his behavior, self-preservation alone should tell someone to drop any weapon they might be holding when approached by the police and told to do so many times.

but he didnt do that, he ignored them for some time, then he got out of his vehicle, then he started walking. ignoring all commands given to him by the police.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I suspect he didn't drop his gun because he knew he would be going away for a long time.

 

[K_Z]

[video=twitter;780065749981286404]https://twitter.com/NickCarboniWCNC/status/780065749981286404[/video]

I think every one of these sports players "protesting" while in uniform should be immediately suspended, and fired. They can protest all they want on their own time. When they are on the clock, in uniform, their JOB is to do their JOB, which happens to be playing football, and promoting and behaving respectably while PLAYING FOOTBALL on behalf of their employer. At a minimum, they should stay in the locker room, if they feel they cannot stand for the National Anthem, and come out later.

They should not be a distraction, or be given a platform, for this utter and complete nonsense. They are not social justice warriors, they are football players.

These protesting players need to understand that, understand their place when they are in uniform on the clock, and suspending and firing them will send that message loudly and clearly.

Let them protest on their OWN time.

 

[bluesneakers]

I think every one of these sports players "protesting" while in uniform should be immediately suspended, and fired. They can protest all they want on their own time. When they are on the clock, in uniform, their JOB is to do their JOB, which happens to be playing football, and promoting and behaving respectably while PLAYING FOOTBALL on behalf of their employer. At a minimum, they should stay in the locker room, if they feel they cannot stand for the National Anthem, and come out later.

They should not be a distraction, or be given a platform, for this utter and complete nonsense. They are not social justice warriors, they are football players.

These protesting players need to understand that, understand their place when they are in uniform on the clock, and suspending and firing them will send that message loudly and clearly.

Let them protest on their OWN time.

A lot of owners and GMs disagree with you. And of course...

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell says the league will encourage players to use their voice to promote social change as the demonstrations during the national anthem started by San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick last month continue to spread to other teams.

 

[katydid23]

And justifiably frightened.

YUP. Justifiably frightened because of his own very poor choices.

He chooses to light up a blunt, at the school bus stop, while waiting for his son to come from school. Very poor choice, in my opinion.

That is something we can all agree upon, I hope.

I also believe that he had a gun and an ankle holster. Again, a very poor choice for an ex-con. So he was justifiably frightened, because of his own poor choices.

The cops were justifiably frightened as well. Does that count for anything?