NC - Keith Scott, 43, killed by LEO, Charlotte, 20 Sept 2016 #1

[Doghairrules]

I think every one of these sports players "protesting" while in uniform should be immediately suspended, and fired. They can protest all they want on their own time. When they are on the clock, in uniform, their JOB is to do their JOB, which happens to be playing football, and promoting and behaving respectably while PLAYING FOOTBALL on behalf of their employer. At a minimum, they should stay in the locker room, if they feel they cannot stand for the National Anthem, and come out later.

They should not be a distraction, or be given a platform, for this utter and complete nonsense. They are not social justice warriors, they are football players.

These protesting players need to understand that, understand their place when they are in uniform on the clock, and suspending and firing them will send that message loudly and clearly.

Let them protest on their OWN time.

Standing for the national anthem is not required. If it were, we would be nazi Germany.


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[CoolJ]

An interesting couple of articles about riots, and the clash in philosophy on how to manage them. Are the police social workers? Or are they law enforcement officers? Which approach is historically the most effective?

IMO, the public is fed up with watching this happen over and over--the expense, the National Guard being called up, lives lost from civilian murders during riots, destruction of large swaths of property, looting and destruction of businesses, law abiding people being attacked or denied access to their homes, pulled from their cars, attacked and beaten, etc. We are, IMO, on the verge of a tremendous public and voter backlash against this kind of terroristic rioting and behavior, and the utter inability of "politically correct policing" to get control of the situation in the first hours. The fact that the overwhelming majority of these cases turn out to be justified shootings, months later, adds to the resentment and anger of the public, IMO. The public is mightily tired of the lies that are used to justify criminal behavior, IMO.

This is not a civil rights movement. MLK would never, ever, have approved or encouraged any of this, even with silence. He would have denounced this kind of behavior, in strong terms. Invoking his name to justify criminality is supremely dishonest, and defiles his message and his memory. It's truly disgusting, IMO.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/439248/milwaukee-riots-police-response-shows-importance-policy

https://verdict.justia.com/2014/09/12/better-ferguson-response-looked-like

Who in the world is invoking the name of MLK to justify criminality?

 

[katydid23]

Who in the world is invoking the name of MLK to justify criminality?

The protesters do it quite often.

here they met at the MLK statue in Las Vegas, and then went to block a major intersection.

http://news3lv.com/news/local/black-lives-matter-protesters-shut-down-mlk-and-carey-following-rally

"Let's love each other" - on the feet of the Martin Luther King Jr statue in Las Vegas. Protesters gathers for a Black Lives Matter movement. 7/9/2016 (John Treanor/KSNV)

 

[Safeguard]

I really wish Mr. Scott had just dropped the gun. I can't see LE yelling, "drop the gun", over and over, just because they wanted to kill this guy and they had a gun ready to plant. ( and, as luck would have it, he was wearing the matching holster!).

I know that I am not alone in the belief that LE can and does, plant evidence and violate rights of citizens to achieve, what to their minds, is a justified arrest. It happens all the time. IMO. Far to often, to be sure. I am not seeing evidence of that in this case... Maybe there is some, and I am just not able to see it.

If someone other than Mr Scott, had gotten shot and killed, would we all be crying, "why didn't they take this guy out, when they had the chance"?

I see the *Over-reach problem a lot. What I don't see, is the race factor. I lived in a city that had a huge prostitution problem. If you were a women, you could hardly step outside, without being propositioned. If I walked to the corner store, I had to keep my eyes straight ahead of me and ignore the men waving money, or asking for a "date, like they were a figment of my imagination. The city began what they called a, "revitalization" plan. A huge influx of new Police Officers was brought in, after that, the "johns" were not, ( as much of) a problem. But you still couldn't walk anywhere in that city, if you were female. I was stopped, and harassed by LE just as often! Once as I was about to return home, from getting cash from the corner ATM I was stopped, "What's your name?, Where do you live?, Where do you work? How much money do you have on you? ( patted me down too!) Show us some ID!"

I asked them, "Am I being detained? Have I done something wrong? They said, Yeah, "You were behaving in a suspicious manor!" I said , "How so?" They said, "you were walking back and forth!" Yes. Walking became crime! .

I had to move to escape a city that become like a Police State. Was there a better way to handle the crime problems in that city? I want to say, there must have been, but I don't have the answer. But I do believe this and problems like the cops and civilians alike, are facing these days, are not about race . jmo

 

[bluesneakers]

UNC students protest during national anthem

A group of spectators in the North Carolina student section wore black shirts and remained seated during the national anthem before the Tar Heels’ game against Pittsburgh on Saturday. While the anthem played, those who remained seated raised their fists.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/unc-now/article103999981.html#storylink=cpy

 

[bluesneakers]

Who in the world is invoking the name of MLK to justify criminality?

I think some people believe demonstrations, protests, civil disobedience and looting and rioting are all the same things. Bringing up MLK is an attempt to silence the discussion, IMO.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I think some people believe demonstrations, protests, civil disobedience and looting and rioting are all the same things. Bringing up MLK is an attempt to silence the discussion, IMO.

I think you brought him up with the tweet of Cam Newton's shirt???

That was the first post I saw regarding MLK.

I love what MLK stood for. I love hearing him speak. He was about peace and love.

 

[bluesneakers]

VP candidate Pence speaks to home-schoolers near Asheville

But before he launched into the faith-based initiatives, he took a moment to address the fatal police shooting of Keith Lamont Scott in Charlotte on Tuesday and the chaotic protests and violence that have followed.

He said the American people deserve a full investigation of the shooting, and he encouraged attendees to pray for Charlotte, the victim’s family and law enforcement officers.

“I’m someone who believes in the sanctity of human life, so we mourn the loss of life,” he said. “(But) no one has the right to engage in acts of violence against property or persons anywhere in the United States.”

 

[bluesneakers]

I think you brought him up with the tweet of Cam Newton's shirt???

That was the first post I saw regarding MLK.

I love what MLK stood for. I love hearing him speak. He was about peace and love.

I shared a tweeted picture of Cam Newton. I didn't say anything about justifying criminality.

I don't have such delusions of grandeur to speak for Dr. King.

 

[CoolJ]

I think you brought him up with the tweet of Cam Newton's shirt???

That was the first post I saw regarding MLK.

I love what MLK stood for. I love hearing him speak. He was about peace and love.

Yes and then we had a poster reply to the Cam Newton tweet saying he was invoking MLK's name to justify criminality. Disingenuous? I think so...

 

[popsicle]

Richard DeVayne ‏@devayneTV [video=twitter;780066550002966528]https://twitter.com/devayneTV/status/780066550002966528[/video]Charlotte, NC
#CMPD enjoys photo opp with kid who loves police. #cool #wcnc

 

[popsicle]

Steven Dial ‏@StevenDialTV [video=twitter;780139109171986432]https://twitter.com/StevenDialTV/status/780139109171986432[/video]
Very unorganized protest on college street. Minor confrontation with cops. Trying to re-organize. @wcnc

 

[popsicle]

Steven Dial ‏@StevenDialTV [video=twitter;780140123694440448]https://twitter.com/StevenDialTV/status/780140123694440448[/video]
A few things. Protesters are more unorganized today. In small numbers and more angry. @wcnc #KeithScott

 

[thistle]

I am as pro law enforcement as they come, & after watching the video, I don't think that the officers handled it correctly, & it ended in the tragedy of this man losing his life. Hindsight can only see things, not correct them....

 

[CoolJ]

I am as pro law enforcement as they come, & after watching the video, I don't think that the officers handled it correctly, & it ended in the tragedy of this man losing his life. Hindsight can only see things, not correct them....

What do you think they could have done differently to avoid loss of a human life?

 

[CoolJ]

Do we know if these LEO's got the person they were originally there staking out?

 

[thistle]

Again, hindsight- maybe if they had used tasers, maybe it they had tried to talk to & disengage the subject more, maybe if they had allowed his wife to intervene- it's a tough call- perhaps nothing would have prevented the outcome. It's wretchedly sad, because those of us on the outside can see the fear in both sides.

 

[Jax49]

Again, hindsight- maybe if they had used tasers, maybe it they had tried to talk to & disengage the subject more, maybe if they had allowed his wife to intervene- it's a tough call- perhaps nothing would have prevented the outcome. It's wretchedly sad, because those of us on the outside can see the fear in both sides.

Too damn many funerals on both 'sides' and it just keeps getting worse.

 

[popsicle]

Again, hindsight- maybe if they had used tasers, maybe it they had tried to talk to & disengage the subject more, maybe if they had allowed his wife to intervene- it's a tough call- perhaps nothing would have prevented the outcome. It's wretchedly sad, because those of us on the outside can see the fear in both sides.

They aren't going to use a taser except in hindsight. You meet force with equal force. He had a gun so they are of course going to use a gun to protect themselves. jmo

 

[katydid23]

Again, hindsight- maybe if they had used tasers, maybe it they had tried to talk to & disengage the subject more, maybe if they had allowed his wife to intervene- it's a tough call- perhaps nothing would have prevented the outcome. It's wretchedly sad, because those of us on the outside can see the fear in both sides.

We don't know that they didn't try to talk to him and deescalate at the beginning. The videos start from the middle of the tragic
situation. By the time the videos are recording, things were going downhill fast.

But it is easy for us to look backwards and say 'maybe' the wife should have been allowed to come closer to the armed suspect.' ---then again, they don't know what their domestic situation was like. Would she trigger things in a bad way? Would he shoot her? They would really be in trouble if something like that happened.

When cops try to detain someone, and there is a weapon involved, and an ex-con is facing serious time because of it, things are volatile and dangerous. The cops are very concerned for their lives too because these are the situations that get them and their partners and possibly bystanders, killed or injured.


Everyone is now talking about how the cops should have looked out for the victim, and should have 'saved' his life, and protected him from himself.

But they gave him a dozen or more opportunities to drop that weapon. He had many chances to end the whole nightmare himself. His own wife was screaming at him, begging him not to do what she saw him about to do. And yet, the public wants to fault the officers.

Here was an ex con, sitting at a school bus stop, waiting for his son. And he is rolling a joint, about to get high, while armed with a loaded weapon. And everyone is calling out the cops as the ones to blame for this mans sad death. No mention of the very poor choices the guy himself made that led directly to his death.