NC - Keith Scott, 43, killed by LEO, Charlotte, 20 Sept 2016 #1

[katydid23]

They aren't going to use a taser except in hindsight. You meet force with equal force. He had a gun so they are of course going to use a gun to protect themselves. jmo

Taking someone when they have a gun in their hands is not advisable. :no:

 

[thistle]

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[DexterMorgan]

We don't know that they didn't try to talk to him and deescalate at the beginning. The videos start from the middle of the tragic
situation. By the time the videos are recording, things were going downhill fast.

But it is easy for us to look backwards and say 'maybe' the wife should have been allowed to come closer to the armed suspect.' ---then again, they don't know what their domestic situation was like. Would she trigger things in a bad way? Would he shoot her? They would really be in trouble if something like that happened.

When cops try to detain someone, and there is a weapon involved, and an ex-con is facing serious time because of it, things are volatile and dangerous. The cops are very concerned for their lives too because these are the situations that get them and their partners and possibly bystanders, killed or injured.


Everyone is now talking about how the cops should have looked out for the victim, and should have 'saved' his life, and protected him from himself.

But they gave him a dozen or more opportunities to drop that weapon. He had many chances to end the whole nightmare himself. His own wife was screaming at him, begging him not to do what she saw him about to do. And yet, the public wants to fault the officers.

Here was an ex con, sitting at a school bus stop, waiting for his son. And he is rolling a joint, about to get high, while armed with a loaded weapon. And everyone is calling out the cops as the ones to blame for this mans sad death. No mention of the very poor choices the guy himself made that led directly to his death.

I hope his child doesn't blame himself since dad was there for him.

Does anyone know the childs age?

 

[thistle]

Taking someone when they have a gun in their hands is not advisable. :no:

I know you mean 'tasing' someone w/ a gun, but I think they should have taken the risk (although at no point did I see a gun in his hand)- I don't dispute that he had one, I just don't think it was an imminent threat to the officers.

 

[thistle]

Quite possibly he was high, & a former felon, who had an illegal weapon in an ankle holster- the only video I saw was him outside his vehicle, w/ his hands at his side, no weapon. I understand why police officers go into every situation expecting the worst, & trying to plan for it-both sides of this situation are screwed, & I don't anticipate things getting any better...

 

[perfectingpink]

Our Chief of Police has talked a lot about slowing things down in situations like this to attempt to deescalate potentially volatile situations. I don't know if/how that would work here, but it would be worth looking at for the future. I must say, I am happy our city is talking and being proactive on all fronts, citizens and LE.

 

[bluesneakers]

[video=twitter;779656475115261952]https://twitter.com/kirkmorrison/status/779656475115261952[/video]

That’s the message the San Francisco 49ers quarterback delivered to Oakland’s Castlemont High School football team, who protested the playing of the National Anthem on Saturday by lying on the sidelines with their hands in the air, Fox Sports reported. Kaepernick took a knee, as he’s been doing before his team’s NFL games, next to the Castlemont players.

“You are important. You make a difference. This matters,” Kaepernick told the team during a pre-game speech. “Everything you do matters.

“That’s what this is about. I had to come support y’all, because the same y’all took a stand and stood with me, I had to come out here and stand with y’all. So I appreciate what y’all did. I love y’all, y’all my brothers. I’m here with you.”

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/...upport-for-their-national-anthem-protest.html

 

[thistle]

You know what, these football players are so far removed from this situation, it's not even relevant. How about the reactions of the people who live in this neighborhood?

 

[bluesneakers]

You know what, these football players are so far removed from this situation, it's not even relevant. How about the reactions of the people who live in this neighborhood?

How about them? Feel free to share.

 

[thistle]

I don't live in NC anymore, but I grew up there, my niece lives there now, she was frightened about the protests in Charlotte (she lives in Raleigh). I can only weigh in as someone who used to live there, is concerned about folks in state, & still thinks that football players laying down on the field on the other side of the country is irrelevant. (However, I support their right to lay on their backs as long as they want to).

 

[drjones]

any person that is using drugs or alcohol in public and is handling a weapon that they refuse to drop when ordered to several times IS an imminent deadly threat to the police, they are not a potential threat, it doesnt matter if they make a threatening move, if the weapon is in their hand and they are refusing to drop it they are right at that moment an imminent deadly threat.

 

[DexterMorgan]

1000 videos but none show too much. Im surprised the wifes video didn't show the hubby when talking to him. Especially when she says for him to not let them break the window.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Ok. The dash cam shows him backing up and then shot once he turned away to look at the officer on his right side.

It was very quick. He probably had no time to access the totality of the situation at that point.

 

[MIKAYOYO]

Ok. The dash cam shows him backing up and then shot once he turned away to look at the officer on his right side.

It was very quick. He probably had no time to access the totality of the situation at that point.

Seriously, whether he had time to assess the situation or not, he shouldn't have been in that situation to begin with. I'm truly confused by the thought process that ignores the fact he had a gun! He didn't listen. FFS

 

[human]

A law prof from NC weighs in on the legality . His analysis may surprise some.

http://www.npr.org/2016/09/25/49539...th-carolina-apply-to-keith-lamont-scotts-case

 

[thistle]

Yes, I'm surprised,too. I think she couldn't get much closer, & I think she was aware of the 'issues' & was trying to protect her husband, but for whatever reason, she couldn't protect him. I think he did have TBI, & was probably smoking, & carrying a gun (which he shouldn't have, considering he was a felon), but I also think he was just waiting for his child at the bus stop, & was caught up in the hunt for another felon. I am not a particularly religious person, but I can offer up prayers for the family & the officers-I think it was a perfect storm, & that it should not have happened,

 

[animlzrule]

You know what, these football players are so far removed from this situation, it's not even relevant. How about the reactions of the people who live in this neighborhood?

How would this not be "relevant?" Presumably, many of these players are POC, or, have friends/family members who are POC. I don't believe a person's ability to empathize or acknowledge the systematic racism and disparities in the policing of POC vs. whites has anything to do with the geographic locations of injustice that are now being witnessed and recorded. It's a nationwide issue; it could be any of these boys next time. This is a systemic, national problem in policing, consequently, there are going to be protests nation wide. Good for them.

 

[popsicle]

NBC Charlotte ‏@wcnc [video=twitter;780188573827993600]https://twitter.com/wcnc/status/780188573827993600[/video]
#BREAKING: City of Charlotte lifts midnight curfew, effective immediately #CharlotteProtest #KeithScott

 

[popsicle]

NBC Charlotte ‏@wcnc 7m7 minutes ago
CMPD: Protester hit by officer on ATV, arrested for attempting to march onto I-277 #CharlotteProtest


NBC Charlotte ‏@wcnc 2m2 minutes ago
CMPD identifies protester arrested for attempting to march on I-277 as Donnell Jones, a 26-year-old from Missouri #CharlotteProtest

 

[animlzrule]

I haven't read what drew the police's attention to this man in the first place. I've read that he was sitting in his SUV when "noticed" having a hand gun and rolling a joint. How did they see that? Was he sitting in his car, waving a gun around? How did they know he was rolling a joint? Would you not have to purposefully approach the car and peer into the window in order to find a gun/drugs? They claim they noticed this while still seated in their car. I'm having trouble picturing how they could have seen anything from that vantage point. Particularly if the SUV had a high profile. Were the police also in an SUV? Did Scott trust that they were legitimate LE being as they were in plain clothes? Even if the scenario went down as the police claim, it's very difficult to understand the degree of escalation here. He was not pointing his gun when shot. None of this makes any sense.