GUILTY NC - Laura Ackerson, 27, Kinston, 13 July 2011 #2

[borndem]

What an awful crime. Thanks, NCEast, I'll pay attention to this trial, whenever it happens.

:wave:Hi, you :heart: two!!:seeya: We'll just have to post here when we see news on this case. It's a bit early, but Abaroa was just in court this week, and he, are you ready for this, sports fans?, pleaded Not Guilty. :what:

I guess it must have been suicide on the victim's part, huh?

She tried to get away with it, but I guess she didn't cut her own body into enuff parts for it to just slip by. And somehow she smuggled herselves into the Hayes' vehicle. Pretty clever, but not quite the perfect crime...:sheesh:

Sure would love to know his legal eagles for this thing....

 

[BrownRice]

Wow, a whole 'nother year till trial. That's crazy.

BUT, it's not like they're living it up at the Ritz. They are in jail. She has lost all rights to her baby who doesn't even know here. His boys probably don't remember him either at their young age. I wonder if his arrogance has dropped a couple notches yet.

 

[borndem]

Wow, a whole 'nother year till trial. That's crazy.

BUT, it's not like they're living it up at the Ritz. They are in jail. She has lost all rights to her baby who doesn't even know here. His boys probably don't remember him either at their young age. I wonder if his arrogance has dropped a couple notches yet.

Hi, B'Rice! I so agree.

I've seen a lot, a lot, of arrogant men, but hands down, IMO, he takes the cake. Just his permanent expression is so full of self-satisfied superiority. Ohhhh, grrrrrr. :banghead: I wonder how superior he feels on his breakfasts of powdered eggs and kool-aid?

 

[JeannieC]

In my opinion and I'm probaby wrong, I believe the defense wants the delay in part because the longer they delay the less people will remember the case. The media probably won't be reporting on it, jurors won't be aware of it, and they might get the two of them off without life sentences. It makes me sick!

 

[cocomod]

http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/...res-Second-Attorney-179143901.html?mobile=yes

A man accused of killing and dismembering a Kinston mother has fired his second attorney.

 

[borndem]

From the article above:

Hayes gave a letter to a Wake County judge today saying his court-appointed lawyer hasn't done what he's asked and wants "a black attorney from Durham." Hayes fired his original attorney earlier this year.

from http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/M...tml?mobile=yes


Well, I'm sure there is a Durham County defense attorney who is not busy these days, what with the recent changes in the Durham County DA's office, and cases getting jammed up. :waitasec: ... :no: ... :sheesh:

Cases in both Wake and Durham Counties have long delays between when murder charges are brought and when the case gets an actual court date -- and for the same reasons: The DA prosecutors are up to their necks in cases; the judges are juggling schedules the best they can -- these trials have to be scheduled well in advance so that 1) ADA's, 2) defensive teams (private practice or the county's Office of the Public Defender), 3) courtrooms, & 4) judges' schedules -- can all be coordinated. To add to the craziness, some trials are expected to run 2--6 weeks or more -- so it's quite a dance to put dates on those type trials.

I don't see Wake County "borrowing" a Durham County Public Defender, but perhaps this is done -- I have no idea. I've never seen it, but I certainly haven't seen everything that a murder courtroom can undergo...

This will be interesting to follow...

 

[NCEast]

Good to see you Born! When I saw the news article today about Haze or Hayes firing another attorney it made me angry. I am so darn ready for this trial to begin and I am hoping they will find a black attorney from Durham who can provide tip top legal services so there will be no appeal issues.
I couldn't remember the name of WebSleuths! Had to google myself to find me on here! Old age, holidays approaching, and some health issues are really catching up with me. Hope you are well!

From the article above:

Hayes gave a letter to a Wake County judge today saying his court-appointed lawyer hasn't done what he's asked and wants "a black attorney from Durham." Hayes fired his original attorney earlier this year.

from http://www.witn.com/home/headlines/M...tml?mobile=yes


Well, I'm sure there is a Durham County defense attorney who is not busy these days, what with the recent changes in the Durham County DA's office, and cases getting jammed up. :waitasec: ... :no: ... :sheesh:

Cases in both Wake and Durham Counties have long delays between when murder charges are brought and when the case gets an actual court date -- and for the same reasons: The DA prosecutors are up to their necks in cases; the judges are juggling schedules the best they can -- these trials have to be scheduled well in advance so that 1) ADA's, 2) defensive teams (private practice or the county's Office of the Public Defender), 3) courtrooms, & 4) judges' schedules -- can all be coordinated. To add to the craziness, some trials are expected to run 2--6 weeks or more -- so it's quite a dance to put dates on those type trials.

I don't see Wake County "borrowing" a Durham County Public Defender, but perhaps this is done -- I have no idea. I've never seen it, but I certainly haven't seen everything that a murder courtroom can undergo...

This will be interesting to follow...

 

[StormyNights]

I have read through the entire threads. This case makes me sick to my stomach. I can't even begin to wrap my head around any of this! I don't understand why this is taking so long? Seems to me that Haze is stalling for time. Not sure why? I am sure he is fully aware and understanding that no matter he does, he will be spending the rest of his days behind bars :jail: Right? I am just curious, where is he? From what I understand, county jails are usually used for sentences less than 2 years and prison is used for 2+ years. I may be wrong on that. How long will they hold this man in a county jail before sending him to prison? Can they hold him for years? He may be enjoying his jail time rather than being sent to a prison? I just can't for the life of me figure out why he seems to be stalling for time? I am going to go ahead and assume that him and Amanda are going to be tried together? Otherwise, wouldn't they have done her trial by now? Just curious! I hope the justice that is due Laura isn't delayed much longer. Her family doesn't deserve this and IMO the courts should put a stop to his stalling tactics! :moo:

 

[teedie2]

Another link:

http://www.wral.com/grant-hayes-charged-in-exgirlfriends-death-appointed-new-attorney/11768312/

<snip>

Hayes filed a handwritten motion in September 2011, asking Stephens to relieve attorney Jim Freeman as counsel in his case. Attorney Mike Klinkosum was later assigned to Hayes' case.
Both attorneys cited ethical issues in defending Hayes, but neither have commented on what those issues might be.

<snip>

BBM

Can't imagine why the lawyers didn't want to represent him ... If he is asking for a black lawyer, I assume (maybe) neither attorney was black, and, what, does Hayes think that a black lawyer (from Durham) wouldn't have any ethics? That is insulting.

He is an arrogant, insulting SOB anyway, IMO IMO IMO !!

What in the world would a woman see in him in the first place? Never figured that out. Charisma, maybe? No, his charisma was just BS.

I feel sorry for all those who were hurt by his deeds, he has caused a world of hurt to others.

This guy makes me mad.

MOO

 

[borndem]

Good to see you Born! When I saw the news article today about Haze or Hayes firing another attorney it made me angry. I am so darn ready for this trial to begin and I am hoping they will find a black attorney from Durham who can provide tip top legal services so there will be no appeal issues.
I couldn't remember the name of WebSleuths! Had to google myself to find me on here! Old age, holidays approaching, and some health issues are really catching up with me. Hope you are well!

Hi, backatcha, NCEast!! Yeah, I'm with you & teedie2 (bbm) in being angry over this man's arrogant and insulting attitude -- I would love to know more about the "ethical problem" mentioned by the State Defender.

Does Hayes (I absolutely refuse to call him "Haze"..... Grrrrr) know how effective and just plain good Klinkosum (he is white, BTW -- for what that matters... another Grrrrr) is as a defense attorney?? IMO, you couldn't get a better defense atty than Klink -- I have seen him in a couple of trials where the deck was stacked against his clients (legally and fairly stacked, that is), but he was very effective. I was extremely impressed with him -- respectful to all principals, did not miss a trick in witness testimony and very savvy. But maybe Klink and Hayes just agreed to disagree.

What is this business about a black (man, how I hate to see race enter this thing with all else that is going on....Grrrr) Durham attorney? Makes me mad, and it makes Hayes look, well, not good ....

JMHO

 

[thistle]

Well, after dismembering his children's mother, not looking good is the least of his problems...

 

[danzn16]

Just came across this case! How heart breaking and how CRAZY!!! I live in NC, how in the heck did I not hear about this!???

 

[borndem]

Well, after dismembering his children's mother, not looking good is the least of his problems...

You said it, thistle!! That was just my sarcastic way of saying that IMO Hayes has just added one more brick in the wall of building a very unsympathetic image of himself. But I guess if his attitude has gotten him this far -- up to & not including this recent & horrifying jam that he has put himself in -- I guess he feels there's no reason to change. I hope karma is just around the corner for Hayes -- it's time for him to pay the piper. Oh, he just makes me so angry!

:banghead: This man cannot have a conscience or a moral compass -- just pure meanness and cruelty. :furious:

 

[borndem]

I have read through the entire threads. This case makes me sick to my stomach. I can't even begin to wrap my head around any of this! I don't understand why this is taking so long? Seems to me that Haze is stalling for time. Not sure why? I am sure he is fully aware and understanding that no matter he does, he will be spending the rest of his days behind bars :jail: Right? I am just curious, where is he? From what I understand, county jails are usually used for sentences less than 2 years and prison is used for 2+ years. I may be wrong on that. How long will they hold this man in a county jail before sending him to prison? Can they hold him for years? He may be enjoying his jail time rather than being sent to a prison? I just can't for the life of me figure out why he seems to be stalling for time? I am going to go ahead and assume that him and Amanda are going to be tried together? Otherwise, wouldn't they have done her trial by now? Just curious! I hope the justice that is due Laura isn't delayed much longer. Her family doesn't deserve this and IMO the courts should put a stop to his stalling tactics! :moo:

Right now, Stormy, Hayes and his wife are cooling their evil heels in the Wake County Jail in Raleigh, NC, which is administered by the Wake County Sheriff's Office. IIRC, there was no bond allowed as is common in NC for a charge of 1st Degree Murder. They should stay there until trial. If convicted, they will then be taken to a state correctional institution for the serving of their sentences, administered by the NC Dept. of Public Safety/Dept. of Corrections.

In NC, even if a sentence is 3 months, 6 months, etc., etc., of active time, the offender will be housed in a state correctional institution. There may be an exception to this for offenders who are ordered to weekend incarceration having to do with DWI/DUI, but I'm not sure.

 

[kenya2009]

So, let me get this right. Laura was murdered by BOTH her ex husband and his current wife. They then went on to try to sell the furniture (which I am assuming had evidence on it) on Craigslist? Meanwhile, he is cocky and writing song lyrics about killing the mother of his children? Now, they are both in custody and he may not get the death penalty for the crime they've committed? Is this right? I cannot believe people can be so disgusting. I am sickened by what I have read in this thread.. Where are their children now? Does he have children with his partner in crime wife as well or are they her kids from a previous marriage/relationship? Geesh, these poor kids - to have to grow up knowing your mother was killed by your insane father. Also, if he has children with his current wife, to know both of your parents are cold blooded killers...those poor babies. Seriously, what has this world come to?

 

[cocomod]

I do not understand with the mountain of evidence against him why he still believes he will get a not-guilty verdict. Just save the tax-payers, Laura's family/friends, and their KIDS a lot more heartache and plead guilty!! They both disgust me to no end!

 

[borndem]

I don't know if even threatening him with the DP would make him even slightly consider pleading guilty. Certainly he is entitled to a fair trial, and that sometimes, IMO, is the only reward a good defense attorney could get out of defending someone like Hayes, but I would not like to defend this man.

I am not a lawyer, so I am speaking of things about which I know nothing -- it's just my gut feeling when thinking of Hayes. <shudder> Of course, he is not the only murder defendant for whom I have had these feelings.

To answer your question about Hayes' children, kenya (bbm), Hayes and Ackerson had two sons together -- the last I have seen about this, and it has been months, the boys are in the custody of his parents. Her father is (was) trying to get custody -- things may have changed by now.

Hayes and his wife have had one child together, and his mother also has custody of that child as well. I don't if the custody of these three children has been officially granted through the courts or not. Someone out there may know, however. Here is a year-old article with a few of these same details:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/10267215/

 

[NCEast]

Hi, backatcha, NCEast!! Yeah, I'm with you & teedie2 (bbm) in being angry over this man's arrogant and insulting attitude -- I would love to know more about the "ethical problem" mentioned by the State Defender.

Does Hayes (I absolutely refuse to call him "Haze"..... Grrrrr) know how effective and just plain good Klinkosum (he is white, BTW -- for what that matters... another Grrrrr) is as a defense attorney?? IMO, you couldn't get a better defense atty than Klink -- I have seen him in a couple of trials where the deck was stacked against his clients (legally and fairly stacked, that is), but he was very effective. I was extremely impressed with him -- respectful to all principals, did not miss a trick in witness testimony and very savvy. But maybe Klink and Hayes just agreed to disagree.

What is this business about a black (man, how I hate to see race enter this thing with all else that is going on....Grrrr) Durham attorney? Makes me mad, and it makes Hayes look, well, not good ....

JMHO

He's just a stupid fool about Klink. I swear, I can't remember which trial we watched wherein he was a major figure for the defense. Oh the Jason .... jesus, I can't remember his last name right now. He was his attorney, am I thinking right? Crap, I hate old age. Had oral surgery Monday and I think they must have pulled some of my brain matter out too.
I am so ready for the Hayes trial to start,,,,,can't even begin to dream of what their defense will be.
Happy Thanksgiving to you Born and all of the other fine Sleuthers here.

 

[borndem]

He's just a stupid fool about Klink. I swear, I can't remember which trial we watched wherein he was a major figure for the defense. Oh the Jason .... jesus, I can't remember his last name right now. He was his attorney, am I thinking right? Crap, I hate old age. Had oral surgery Monday and I think they must have pulled some of my brain matter out too.
I am so ready for the Hayes trial to start,,,,,can't even begin to dream of what their defense will be.
Happy Thanksgiving to you Born and all of the other fine Sleuthers here.

Hi, East :seeya:-- As the Stones said, "What a drag it is getting old..." Same here my Sleuthy Friend! It was Jason YOUNG, bless your heart.

bbm --> Interesting point, East -- I hadn't yet given their defense a thought, but you're right -- WTH will it be? He's way to pompous to plead insanity. Will they claim that she came storming in their apt. with a knife and made demands? That she held a child at knife-point and they fought with her and, "Somehow she was stabbed in the chest and bled all over and died. She came in like a crazy woman. The kids were all crying. It was just horrible. I knew this would happen one day... And we panicked. We had to get her out of there so the children wouldn't see it. We had no choice. It was self-defense. Her against the two of us. Poor us."

Yes, I'm ready, too. I want to see these two meanies put away. I don't like 'em.

I just hope that the next defense attorney won't ask for more time, but I think it's likely, and it will probably be granted... Grrrr:banghead:

 

[SurfieTX]

I have no nice words for what I think of these two. The best ones I. Can come up with are arrogant and entitled.