GUILTY NC - Laura Ackerson, 27, Kinston, 13 July 2011 #8

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  • #601
I vote NYC or VI if she gets out.

Well, she'll have to get a prison job to make enuff money to get that plane ticket (one way for one). Maybe they will put her on shower detail in the slammer -- she's good at it, you know. She'll make that place shine.
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At somewhere around a buck a day (yes, a buck), it'll take her a long time to get to the VI !
 
  • #602
I'm still thinking she may have a small bank account hidden somewhere that is paying for her private defense. She refused the state provided attorney. I wish I knew how much Gaskins et al charged her, I don't think she got her money's worth. Or maybe she did......

NCEast --

I really thought for awhile her attorney was trying to mimic Matlock - and doing a really BAD job!!! But as the trial advanced I felt like he may just be past his prime. He didn't seem to be able to stay on track.

Maybe it's a good thing if your attorney sounds dim witted at times? Right now I am wondering if the Jury felt sorry for her because of her counsel!

I will never forget the JUDGE's comment about the HUNT to find ANYONE who had seen that Mr. Ripley movie! :floorlaugh:

The female attorney kept making me laugh. The camera would pan over to her and she would look like she had been through a windstorm. And it just got worse with time.

And the young man - whom it appeared was there to man the tech equipment was out of his depth! The prosecutor had to keep helping.

It was almost comical. Could it have actually been purposeful? And an advantage?
 
  • #603
Born DEM -

You think they use vinegar in prison?
 
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Didn't somebody ask earlier today if they were hung on a 1 or 2 murder charge would that void the entire trial? Did we get an answer? I know the instruction was if the jury could not reach murder 1, then go to murder 2, and then to conspiracy, etc. but what happens if they can't agree on a murder 1 or 2? Anybody??
 
  • #606
I agree that GH never wanted to have to grow up. Somebody was always making excuses for him & rescuing him when the money ran out. He was always just on the verge of closing a big deal (not!) & that is one of the ways he conned people into helping him. Now that AH's money had run out his parents were stepping in to rescue him. Very sad.

Well, they're not having to support him now -- except maybe for his canteen fund. Grrr

And if the jury gets it right, they may be funding AH's canteen, too. Or not.

What's with this jury, folks??? One hold-out or what?? I don't see this thing getting hung, however, there are so many choices, they'll have to pick something besides NG. I just don't want that biatch serving 6 years and walking out of there. :banghead:
 
  • #607
JusticeFever,

Hubby #3 Nicky Smith was a successful TX businessman. He died from complications after a swimming accident. They hadn't been married very long but Amanda as wife inherited quite a bit. Half of his companies, a home in Austin. His holdings included a working farm and a separate irrigation business. She sold her half of the irrigation business to his brother. Sold the house.

Hubby #2 was her Divorce attorney from hubby #1. Not sure what sort of settlement she got when that marriage imploded.

Thanks!! I didn't know all this.
 
  • #608
Didn't somebody ask earlier today if they were hung on a 1 or 2 murder charge would that void the entire trial? Did we get an answer? I know the instruction was if the jury could not reach murder 1, then go to murder 2, and then to conspiracy, etc. but what happens if they can't agree on a murder 1 or 2? Anybody??

If I remember correctly, if they cannot convict of murder on either degree, then they move onto the rest of the charges.

My sense is that the debate on murder is still going. There is NO doubt she was an accessory after the fact, but the murder must have the jurors stunned right now.
 
  • #609
Anything happening????
 
  • #610
I am never going to fall for that bowling ball telling me it's a crystal ball again!


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  • #611
PURE SPECULATION ---

As far as the Nicky Smith chapter, I have wondered if drugs or liquor played a part and the family knew it? Not sure what happened to wife #1. Nicky had two grown children. Both supposedly detested Amanda. And I was surprised to learn that Shae lived with either Amanda's sister Karen or HER DAD when Amanda was married to Nicky. Shea's testimony during the first trial gave the impression Shae was very close with Nicky and Amanda and Nicky had been married for a considerable time. NOT true.

I can tell you several chapters I wish we knew more about:

HER ART SUPPLY BUSINESS. It was only open for 2 years. And it apparently was located inside someone else's business. WHOSE? Did it make a profit?

I wonder about that ex-boyfriend she was leaving the island to avoid. WHO WAS HE? HOW LONG WERE THEY INVOLVED? What's his story?

Suddenly Grant is sent a ticket to NYC by Amanda. She said she felt that ex- was bothering Grant. What's the real story there? I keep thinking of what Laura wrote in that custody report. Any connection?

Grant was apparently KNOWN as someone who was a druggie. Why would any woman take up with someone like that? She said she heard him at a bar and later agreed to take guitar lessons from him. WELL, I'd like to hear her play!!! I have wondered if that was fiction and they found each other because of shared interests.

BTW - Has anyone seen any ART this woman has done?

Could some of her financial ruination be NOT because of Grant and the custody case BUT because of drugs/alcohol?

She looked so painfully skinny after just having a baby. Is that normal when one has a C-section?
 
  • #612
Here's my two cents -- all just an opinion based on the two trials. I think AMANDA was MUCH more at the center of this. Her life was filled with her doing what she wanted when she wanted and up until she met Grant Hayes she had come out where she wanted. NOW in steps GRANT HAYES - someone she THOUGHT was going to be A SOMEBODY if she didn't already think he was a SOMEBODY in the music industry. She moves to NY and signs up to learn the music industry, sends him a ticket, ... Little Grant is sent up to become a child actor. BUT WAIT - Laura enters the picture. She is NOT what Grant claims. She doesn't just release her kid. As time drones on Amanda realizes in order to do what she wants where Grant or those kids go, Laura needs to be controlled. Every man in Amanda's past was self sufficient. She knew how to manipulate THOSE kinds of men apparently. This was entirely different. A perpetual child like GRANT HAYES and his ex-girlfriend who even after they married refused to fade away. The Psychologist and his own mother claimed Grant was 'docile'. I found that very interesting. Not lazy, docile. I take this to mean ZERO DRIVE. He drifts along on currents. Shae noted he never finishes anything. AMANDA was quite the current wasn't she? She was a self centered self starter and I believe she drove this custody matter - and her finances - off the rails because of her own arrogance and determination to have her way. She thought she could game the system. She had been there before but that was a different time and different state. She has a mighty high opinion of herself. And she thought she had the resources. Grant kept claiming he was going to make some money. She overestimated her ability to control the situation. I think she grew to resent all of the communication between Laura and Grant.

Did anyone pay attention to that cellmate's testimony including some new gal at the jail who played music with Grant and told Amanda in jail that Grant and Laura had met in Florida AFTER Amanda and he was married. WOW would that put a spin on that document!!! Whether true or not I bet Amanda was threatened by Laura. As Amanda was losing control, Laura was gaining it.

I think that report set AMANDA off. I think she could see a personal hell ahead where she was in a car chauffeuring these kids for years and years, trapped in Kinston NC, and she needed it all to stop! And I believe she was toe for toe with GRANT where Laura's death went. She hated Laura.

Also believe she thought GRANT would take responsibility for the murder and exonerate her if for no other reason the children. But he didn't, did he? He only cared about himself. So Plan B was to throw Grant under the bus which is exactly what she has done and hope the jury buys she was deaf.dumb.blind until TEXAS and then Grant threatened her.

ABSOLUTE RUBBISH from where I sit.

Contrary to type, contrary to her past, contrary to the evidence.

Amanda Hayes in my opinion is not crazy, she is something far worse.

I am wondering why the Jury is having so much trouble sorting fact from fiction.

Omigosh, this is just so PERFECTLY STATED. Thank you! I agree with everything, totally agree.

Grant made it clear that he was not going to leave his kids for Amanda.

She had, IIRC, never been with a man before who had small kids. IIRC that guy Nicky Smith had grown children, which is completely different.

She thought Grant would be ok seeing them every once in a while. Living in NYC, flying down once every few months to see them. No big deal.

Boy was she wrong.

Not only did Grant want to see them....OFTEN...but he also wanted control of them. He wanted to be able to control their upbringing. That meant Laura would have to be a constant in their lives, b/c she wasn't about to give them up.

She wasn't prepared for that.
 
  • #613
Deliberation Clock:

Monday: 1 hour 15 minutes

Tuesday: 3 hours, lunch break, 2 hours, break (20 minutes), 1 hour 10 minutes (6 hrs, 10 min.)

Total: 7 hours, 25 minutes

Are they trying to be detectives and figure out how EXACTLY the murder happened?

Sheesh.

It is not that complicated.

They know Laura died.....or DO THEY?????????
 
  • #614
Well, I'm only glad for the delay because it means I can get a proper prep from you in just a couple of weeks!! Sweet!!

Yes indeed-y, you can! Something about
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tomatoes, right!!!!
 
  • #615
JusticeFever,

Hubby #3 Nicky Smith was a successful TX businessman. He died from complications after a swimming accident. They hadn't been married very long but Amanda as wife inherited quite a bit. Half of his companies, a home in Austin. His holdings included a working farm and a separate irrigation business. She sold her half of the irrigation business to his brother. Sold the house.

Hubby #2 was her Divorce attorney from hubby #1. Not sure what sort of settlement she got when that marriage imploded.

I re-watched her testimony regarding her husband's today.
Ron Adamson who was hubby # 2 worked in the same law office as her divorce attorney who had been diagnosed with cancer so he retired. She didn't marry her divorce attorney.
 
  • #616
Let's see....tomorrow they're gonna open up with "Can we visit the apartment? We need to see everything in person. Signed: Foreperson"
 
  • #617
PURE SPECULATION ---

As far as the Nicky Smith chapter, I have wondered if drugs or liquor played a part and the family knew it? Not sure what happened to wife #1. Nicky had two grown children. Both supposedly detested Amanda. And I was surprised to learn that Shae lived with either Amanda's sister Karen or HER DAD when Amanda was married to Nicky. Shea's testimony during the first trial gave the impression Shae was very close with Nicky and Amanda and Nicky had been married for a considerable time. NOT true.

I can tell you several chapters I wish we knew more about:

HER ART SUPPLY BUSINESS. It was only open for 2 years. And it apparently was located inside someone else's business. WHOSE? Did it make a profit?

I wonder about that ex-boyfriend she was leaving the island to avoid. WHO WAS HE? HOW LONG WERE THEY INVOLVED? What's his story?

Suddenly Grant is sent a ticket to NYC by Amanda. She said she felt that ex- was bothering Grant. What's the real story there? I keep thinking of what Laura wrote in that custody report. Any connection?

Grant was apparently KNOWN as someone who was a druggie. Why would any woman take up with someone like that? She said she heard him at a bar and later agreed to take guitar lessons from him. WELL, I'd like to hear her play!!! I have wondered if that was fiction and they found each other because of shared interests.

BTW - Has anyone seen any ART this woman has done?

Could some of her financial ruination be NOT because of Grant and the custody case BUT because of drugs/alcohol?

She looked so painfully skinny after just having a baby. Is that normal when one has a C-section?
I am pretty sure AH's art supply business was located in a portion of an art gallery on St John.
I am also pretty sure drugs and alcohol were a big part of GH's and AH's life.
 
  • #618
Born DEM -

You think they use vinegar in prison?


I hope not, Veracity -- I'm hoping for headaches, BIG BLEACHY HEADACHES!!!
 
  • #619
Didn't somebody ask earlier today if they were hung on a 1 or 2 murder charge would that void the entire trial? Did we get an answer? I know the instruction was if the jury could not reach murder 1, then go to murder 2, and then to conspiracy, etc. but what happens if they can't agree on a murder 1 or 2? Anybody??

I was gonna say that they could just go to accessory, but they will have to decide acc. to 1st or 2nd. Hmmmm. Bothersome, 'East, bothersome...
 
  • #620
yeppers. they want to watch the next episode of The Following. :floorlaugh:

They are a day late then! :giggle: (It's on Monday nights).


PS- Love that show.
 
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