NC NC - Leland, Hooper & Mount Misery Rds, BlkFem 13-56, Snoopy Watch, clothes, Dec'79

[theshadow45]

Leland Jane Doe has been unidentified for 41 years today.

 

[theshadow45]

As of yesterday, Leland Jane Doe has been unidentified for 42 years.

 

[HopeRains]

3 weeks PMI with remains located on December 8 would go back to just around the Thanksgiving holiday, November 22 of 1979. With the isotope analysis and other info, perhaps she was making her way through or coming to NC for the holidays. I believe the recon makes her appear to be on the high end of the age range, but concur that her specific dental info relative to wisdom teeth would most likely put her on the low end of the age range. I thought ME/Coroner's were also able to look at the skull sutures to assist in guestimating age, but perhaps there was some issue or anomaly with this type of examination.

 

[theshadow45]

Leland Jane Doe has been unidentified for 43 years today.

 

[John/Jane Doe]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the current list of NamUs exclusions for this Jane Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.

 

[Caring1]

@Caring1 Hey could you post the current list of NamUs exclusions for this Jane Doe? I would greatly appreciate it.

4 Missing Person Exclusions

 

[jennytrevor]

Sheila Cooks? Unsure if she has DNA on file. Not sure about circumstances but I see a resemblance.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[theshadow45]

Leland Jane Doe has been unidentified for 44 years today.

 

[theshadow45]

Leland Jane Doe has been unidentified for 45 years today.

 

[HopeRains]

My notes from earlier research indicate there is an article of which I do not have access, if someone else does.

The Wilmington Star News, 12/9/79.

 

[theshadow45]

Leland Jane Doe has been unidentified for 46 years today.

 

[Gee_rich1]

A few suggestions:

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

By bringing people, information, forensic science and technology together, NamUs helps resolve cases.

www.namus.gov

 

[Rikissa]

3 weeks PMI with remains located on December 8 would go back to just around the Thanksgiving holiday, November 22 of 1979. With the isotope analysis and other info, perhaps she was making her way through or coming to NC for the holidays. I believe the recon makes her appear to be on the high end of the age range, but concur that her specific dental info relative to wisdom teeth would most likely put her on the low end of the age range. I thought ME/Coroner's were also able to look at the skull sutures to assist in guestimating age, but perhaps there was some issue or anomaly with this type of examination.

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That the wisdom teeth hadn't erupted is not always a sign that a person is in the low end of an age range, for example I'm 60+, and my mandibular wisdow teeth hasn't erupted yet. Not all wisdom teeth erupt, as in about 8 out of 10 people, at least one tooth doesn't erupt.

What Are Wisdom Teeth?

Wisdom teeth are the last ones to grow in, usually between ages 17 and 25. While our ancestors needed them, most of us now no longer do.

my.clevelandclinic.org

In post #1 it's mentioned that a forensic anthropologist had estimated the Jane Doe's age to between 42 and 55, so I would guess that the skull sutures had been examined.

 

[HopeRains]

That the wisdom teeth hadn't erupted is not always a sign that a person is in the low end of an age range, for example I'm 60+, and my mandibular wisdow teeth hasn't erupted yet. Not all wisdom teeth erupt, as in about 8 out of 10 people, at least one tooth doesn't erupt.

What Are Wisdom Teeth?

Wisdom teeth are the last ones to grow in, usually between ages 17 and 25. While our ancestors needed them, most of us now no longer do.

my.clevelandclinic.org

In post #1 it's mentioned that a forensic anthropologist had estimated the Jane Doe's age to between 42 and 55, so I would guess that the skull sutures had been examined.

Thanks, and I agree with regards to lack of eruption on the wisdom teeth, it doesn't happen for everyone (including my own >25-year-old children).

Having said that, given all remains were recovered and the lower end of the age range is still 13, I would suggest they don't really know or in the very least are trying to cover all bases. If she could be that young, it would be great for a younger reconstruction to be developed. Hopefully, with DNA available she will be identified soon, more than 40 years for her and anyone missing her is entirely too long.

 

[HopeRains]

nvm - here's a younger reconstruction, done by NCMEC and previously posted.

 

[Rikissa]

Thanks, and I agree with regards to lack of eruption on the wisdom teeth, it doesn't happen for everyone (including my own >25-year-old children).

Having said that, given all remains were recovered and the lower end of the age range is still 13, I would suggest they don't really know or in the very least are trying to cover all bases. If she could be that young, it would be great for a younger reconstruction to be developed. Hopefully, with DNA available she will be identified soon, more than 40 years for her and anyone missing her is entirely too long.

It's a pity that there are no photos of the clothes she was wearing, as those could give an indication of her age. Were they in a style a younger woman would wear, or more suitable for an older woman? By the description in post #2, well, unless young girls/women in the US dressed very differently from Europeans back in 1979, those boring colours would not likely have been found in my wardrobe when I was in my 20s, rather colours my mother wore.

Wouldn't there be more info/searching for on the Doenetwork for a missing younger woman, than if she was older (40+)? An older single woman with parents dead, and no siblings and/or children, might not have anyone missing her, especially if she had moved recently, and had not made new friends.