Found Deceased NC - Mariah Woods, 3, Onslow County, 27 Nov 2017 #9 *Arrest*

[Tortoise]

Well if you're saying she knew where Mariah's body was placed someone had to tell her if she wasn't there to see exactly where EK put her.
And didn't the boys go to school the morning when they notified LE that Mariah was missing? So no problem there with the boys possibly telling at the school, she didn't keep them away from other people if in fact they went to school that day?

Yes, I think EK did tell her. She may not have known the exact bridge, but she had to have known it was in Maple Hill for the grandpa to know.

I think they made sure the boys had a 'version' before they left the trailer next morning, whether they were going to school or somewhere else. I doubt whether they had that version ready when EK left to dispose of Mariah.

There was some commotion in the trailer at around 11pm-midnight, that much I think we can treat as true from everyone's versions put together.

Son said that around midnight Mariah was crying, KW or EK hit her, either he or they didn't know if she was dead, and KW told EK to get rid of her.
KW said that around midnight Mariah was crying and she told EK to deal with her.
EK said he told Mariah to go back to bed.

It seems pretty obvious to me how the son's version was being manipulated.

There also seems to be a difference in the sequence - the son says Mariah cried, then something happened to Mariah (she was hit) (when did she stop crying?) before he heard KW saying get rid of her. KW says Mariah cried and she asked EK to handle it.

On the son's version KW was involved (hit her? decided to get rid of her/knew they were in trouble). In KW's version she didn't see Mariah after she put her to bed, so she's calling from another room.

The possibilities are narrowing, but I'm still pondering.

 

[Tortoise]

It's a guess, but I go with the bio grandad being the one with the info since KW's mother didn't have a good relationship with AW it seems stepgramps wouldn't either. Also, during the NG show he was called KW's father not step father.


"The boys were placed in the care of their grandmother, Kristy Woods’ mother, on Nov. 27, according to the documents, and the grandmother, whose relationship with Alex Woods is allegedly “volatile,” was told to be the sole caregiver of the boys due to concerns over the grandfather’s drinking habits."

http://www.jdnews.com/news/20171205/mariahs-father-speaks-on-cps-documents-memories-of-his-daughter

But grandfather wasn't telling AW. He was telling someone he worked with on loudspeaker and he didn't know AW was listening.

Do we know what age KW was when her mother remarried? That could have some bearing on whether she treated him like her dad.

 

[lonetraveler]

I think that that is the more likely story. The boy heard EK tell KW that he threw her off a bridge and that is why they were searching the bridge near her home. Were they the only two bridges in the vicinity? Or maybe they just had the bridge story initially, and leaned on someone when nothing was found at the bridge near her home.

Numerous bridges in that area. IMO someone had to have directed them to go to another county to that particular bridge 25 miles away.

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[rsd1200]

I dunno, I think it all depends on how you were raised. I grew up in a very traditional Italian family in NJ, only one generation removed from immigrants. We were raised that where family is concerned you keep your mouth shut, circle the wagons and protect your family at all costs, even if it's the brother of your sister-in-law, you keep whatever to yourself and you NEVER help the police when it's family. Speaking against family, well, it simply isn't done.

My ex, he was a born and raised Baptist boy from Texas and his family had no loyalty to each other, they would turn each other in at the drop of a dime. I saw it first hand when his one sister had an active warrant out for DWI, his other sister found out where the felon sister was staying, she called the cops and told them where to find her.

I grew up in a very solid, stable, home. My parents never even fought in front of us, and spankings were almost unheard of in our home. However, anything that was said, or done, within the family, stayed, within the family. You don't go telling family stuff outside the home. I, to this day, could not tell you what my parent's financial matters are, only that I grew up in what I'd call, a middle, to upper-middle, class home. Not even real sure how, when, or where the parents met, only that they did,as I am here. I'm from the foothills of Appalachia, born and raised here, and churched in the Pentecostal Holiness religion. You mind your own in our family. My parents trusted LE but they had friends who were in LE and they were good folks. I am not as trusting. Now, although both sides didn't tell anything outside of home, one side, mostly lived life more staid, while the other lived life more footloose. Our home is a combo of the two sides of my family, leaning more toward footloose. We are what we are, what you see is what you get. I don't sugarcoat. There's a local paper, so no need in pretending that all my kids are alright, but one just has job, somewhere, out of state... A relative sold that story for years. I got suspicious, and, WOW!

 

[Leader6518]

As part of the autopsy, the pathologist may take biological
samples such as blood, other body fluids, and tissues for
further study in an effort to determine the cause and
manner of death. Toxicology testing on some of these
samples may be performed if the pathologist believes that
the results may affect the determination of cause or manner.

The sample testing will not delay the release of the body to
the next of kin. However, the results of such testing may
take several months to finalize, causing the manner and
cause of death to be certified as “pending.” If a death
certificate is issued with a “pending” manner and cause of
death, a supplemental death certificate will be issued once
testing is completed.
http://www.ocme.dhhs.nc.gov/faq/OCME-FAQ-Pamphlet.pdf

According to this -it could take several months to get the results back. I was hoping days.

And it may not be the toxicology reports they want. They have sent evidence out for testing. We don’t know what they have, but if it includes testing for DNA it could take awhile. Hairs, fibers, etc. too. The DA will want evidence to defend the charge of murder. And the forensic reports will help in determining what did or didn’t happen. JMO


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[luvs2laugh]

And it may not be the toxicology reports they want. They have sent evidence out for testing. We don’t know what they have, but if it includes testing for DNA it could take awhile. Hairs, fibers, etc. too. The DA will want evidence to defend the charge of murder. And the forensic reports will help in determining what did or didn’t happen. JMO


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I agree! As badly as I would like to see the monster (s) who took Mariah's life charged with murder -like yesterday- I am willing to wait however long it takes for them to build the strongest case possible, so that the charges stick.

 

[rsd1200]

For starters i think they are both liars.
So do you think she went along for the ride when EK put Mariah in the river? Or do you think he told her where he put Mariah, or she told him where to take her for disposal and that's what he did?
Everything is still a bit sketchy to me as to when exactly Mariah even died, so i don't know if that can be determined as to the how & when?

IDK if it was heard on NG, in Dad's interview, as handed down to him, but, and I'm sorry, I just cannot listen to NG, I'd read on here that the eldest boy heard his mother say "just get rid of her". If that is true, then she was definitely in the know.

 

[JazzTune]

Is it possible that she has 'signed' herself in to a psych treatment facility? I'm hoping one of the legal minds here could answer this for me. If KW is in treatment at this type of facility - they (Sheriff or law) cannot legally communicate with her?? Would she be somehow protected while there? TIA

I'm not an attorney but the last 15 years of my nursing career were spent working on an adult inpatient locked psychiatric unit of a regular hospital.

I was Charge Nurse for the last 7 of those years. Here was the protocol we followed.

No one was allowed to speak to our patients without authorization. For regular visitation, the patients gave their own patient code number to whomever they wanted to have it. That number had to be verified by staff before any patient access was allowed.

As for LE access during treatment, that would have required the physician's approval, which our physicians did not allow until the patient was discharged.

The nursing supervisor of the hospital, as well as the hospital security team were always made aware prior to impending discharge. LE and our security team then met the patient at the door upon discharge.

That is interesting you bring this up, because that is the exact reason why many people thought they would escape LE.

When they were in the initial phase of arrest, they would tell LE they were suicidal.

Though we were not a forensic hospital at all, we were always available for overflow. That is why they would end up in our ER, and then be admitted to our unit.

It was usually a ruse. The criminals thought somehow they'd manage to get discharged without LE being aware, but that never happened.

All our doctors saw right through them. We notified LE prior to discharge to be at our exit door.

That's not saying that is how all hospitals function. Just our protocol. I would bet it's similar to most others, depending on resources available.

ETA: Correction. We did have a couple of patients who were arrested on the unit during treatment and removed right away, but it was usually because of an attack on another patient or staff member, not for prior charges...




JMO

 

[Wishbone]

But grandfather wasn't telling AW. He was telling someone he worked with on loudspeaker and he didn't know AW was listening.

Do we know what age KW was when her mother remarried? That could have some bearing on whether she treated him like her dad.

That could be right...don't know anything about him except for the drinking

 

[Tortoise]

I'm guessing she's at a safe house...witness protection.

 

[Karinna]

IDK if it was heard on NG, in Dad's interview, as handed down to him, but, and I'm sorry, I just cannot listen to NG, I'd read on here that the eldest boy heard his mother say "just get rid of her". If that is true, then she was definitely in the know.

Oh that's terrible if he heard his own mother say that about his baby sister.
I also think she knew Mariah was deceased. Know what you mean about NG and agree, she is hard on the ears to listen to.

 

[Karinna]

I'm guessing she's at a safe house...witness protection.

Yes she could be.

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

Thank you and amen. I’ve almost completely stopped reading here for just that reason.


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It's appalling, and flat out disgusting. Those of us that pointed out KW's Susan Smith fake tears early on got ripped on, and skewered, and now AW is getting thrown under the bus.
SMH

 

[Welilagent]

In nc there is much more to permanent placement
I am kinship and the process is not an easy on
They will be sure of the children’s best interest
In my experience
Hope this post is ok

 

[rsd1200]

But another poster actually stated he wasn't sure EK was a violent person because everyone else with violent allegations could be lying. That's what I take issue with, the mental gymnastics we'd have to go through to believe that. We're talking about whether or not he has a propensity for violence, and therefore, whether or not he was capable of hurting her.

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I think he had a hot temper, and, at times he lost complete control of that temper. Not a good thing. I have a hot temper. It kinda runs in our family. I have learned to put distance in between me and what sparks mine. Thus far, in over 1/2 a century, I've only killed a breakfast sandwich and one cell phone (there's no cradle, to slam the receiver into, anymore. I kinda miss that satisfying feeling.). Not saying my temper never surfaces, but I've never killed anyone, nor bashed the windows out of one of our vehicles.

 

[MissMalowe]

Just a thought. Maybe Mariah was hurt by someone else, perhaps a sibling played too rough with her and she got really hurt. KW and EK, thinking it wasn't anything serious put the child down for a nap and she died. When they go to wake her they realize she is dead, they panic thinking EK, KW or both will be blamed so they concoct the story, EK dumps the body and they call the cops in the morning.

Just for the record, I do not think it went down like this BUT it is a possible scenario. Particularly the rough play that leads to serious injury. I cannot recall the boys name now but there was that case down in Florida where the boy killed the little girl his mother was babysitting by playing out a professional wrestling move on the girl. He caused her severe internal injuries that led to her death.

That very well could have happened, however that would be an accident vs negligence or a murder, so then what would lead them to cover it all up? If there was something in their house that they didn't want LE to see, they could have driven her to the nearest ER themselves...even left one parent behind to get rid of things they don't want LE seeing under the easily believable premise of "stayed back to be with the other children"

I'm not saying accidents that end in a cover-up don't ever happen, but I think it's more likely that what was done to her was done intentionally, by an adult in the house, and her body was in no condition that could leave them with trying to play it off as an accident to the hospital or EMTs, hence no 911 call at the time whatever occurred actually occurred.

 

[RAISINISBACK]

I grew up in a very solid, stable, home. My parents never even fought in front of us, and spankings were almost unheard of in our home. However, anything that was said, or done, within the family, stayed, within the family. You don't go telling family stuff outside the home. I, to this day, could not tell you what my parent's financial matters are, only that I grew up in what I'd call, a middle, to upper-middle, class home. Not even real sure how, when, or where the parents met, only that they did,as I am here. I'm from the foothills of Appalachia, born and raised here, and churched in the Pentecostal Holiness religion. You mind your own in our family. My parents trusted LE but they had friends who were in LE and they were good folks. I am not as trusting. Now, although both sides didn't tell anything outside of home, one side, mostly lived life more staid, while the other lived life more footloose. Our home is a combo of the two sides of my family, leaning more toward footloose. We are what we are, what you see is what you get. I don't sugarcoat. There's a local paper, so no need in pretending that all my kids are alright, but one just has job, somewhere, out of state... A relative sold that story for years. I got suspicious, and, WOW!

I too grew up in a stable home. I too grew up Pentecostal Holiness. My parents were married at 18 and 20 years of age. They were married nearly 40 years before my mom died. It was the only marriage for both of them so there was no step anything, no half siblings. there was not a lot of money but there was a whole lot of love. My parents didn't argue a lot, they didn't spank us and they stressed that being loyal to family was the most important thing in this world.

But we were also taught that if you did something wrong you owned up to it. You stood up and admitted it and took whatever punishment that came to you as a result of your actions. You didn't blame someone else. You didn't blame the police for getting caught. You simply said "okay I did it, now what?"

 

[rsd1200]

BBM

So sorry, I don't mean to be picky-picky, but I'm sort of confused by the part I bolded.

I admit I have some trouble keeping all the different initials clear, at times.

I'm thinking though that AW is Alex Wood? Am I correct then in assuming this is a typo? That you meant KW?

( If so, don't feel bad. I do it all the time! )



JMO

Sorry, it was late, I meant KW (mom). That's why I've been trying to just use mom, Dad, and EK. lol After I signed off, I asked my better half, if he would help me get rid of of a body? He kinda laughed and said, well, I dunno, it's considering the circumstances. lol I then, went on to give him this scenario: What if, you were living with someone, that you cared about, and you come home, and there is a deceased three year old in the home. She could have accidentally died, or been deliberately killed. If, said love of your life, asked you to take the little three year old, and put her body in a river, and pretend she'd been kidnapped, could you, or would you, do it? Even if it meant not doing it, would cause a lot of trouble? His answer? "NO. I would not do something like that." Not even a hesitation. However, although I call us dysfunctional, and we are to some extent, we don't even register on the meter compared to this family.

 

[Karinna]

In nc there is much more to permanent placement
I am kinship and the process is not an easy on
They will be sure of the children’s best interest
In my experience
Hope this post is ok

Hi & :welcome5:

 

[RAISINISBACK]

That is all well and good, but there have been quite a few people that have been mentally ill that have been killed by LE. And others that are sky high on drugs as well and acting crazy. I think most of LE would be aware of just how dangerous a job they are signing up for when they apply to become an LE person. It's like someone enlisting in the military it sure isn't to go on a picnic. And none of those jobs are easy but they are what they are. They are agents of the Govt.
I guess without police we would have to police ourselves, and don't know how that would work out.

BBM

How would you like to face one of these people and not be allowed to defend yourself? I wonder, would you just stand there and meekly allow them to hurt or kill you? Or would you pull the weapon that you have been trained to use and use it to defend yourself from harm?