Found Deceased NC - Mariah Woods, 3, Onslow County, 27 Nov 2017 #9 *Arrest*

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How would you like to face one of these people and not be allowed to defend yourself? I wonder, would you just stand there and meekly allow them to hurt or kill you? Or would you pull the weapon that you have been trained to use and use it to defend yourself from harm?

This was my reality for years. As I just mentioned in a prior post, I worked on an adult in-patient locked psychiatric unit of a regular hospital.

We faced this potential every day. Street drugs have really changed the face of the physical dangers to mental health staff now.

To find yourself suddenly face to face with a mentally ill person who is floridly psychotic with hallucinations, paranoia, and rage, is beyond terrifying.

Sometimes the security staff were on our unit more than they weren't.

The difference for us though was that we were certain the patients had no weapons. ( They were thoroughly checked by two staff before admission to the unit. )

We didn't have any weapons either of course, but we utilized specific techniques learned during mandatory training, to subdue the patient as a team without harm to them or us. Easier said than done at times.

LE does not have that same luxury we did. I understand that. Therefore, I hesitate to criticize them without knowing the individual situation.

At the same time, I am totally in favor of LE implementation of improved management skills for the mentally ill.

It is truly heartbreaking to see just how vulnerable the mentally ill are...


ETA: This may be off topic. Please feel free to delete...



JMO

 

[haven71]

Yes, I think EK did tell her. She may not have known the exact bridge, but she had to have known it was in Maple Hill for the grandpa to know.

I think they made sure the boys had a 'version' before they left the trailer next morning, whether they were going to school or somewhere else. I doubt whether they had that version ready when EK left to dispose of Mariah.

There was some commotion in the trailer at around 11pm-midnight, that much I think we can treat as true from everyone's versions put together.

Son said that around midnight Mariah was crying, KW or EK hit her, either he or they didn't know if she was dead, and KW told EK to get rid of her.
KW said that around midnight Mariah was crying and she told EK to deal with her.
EK said he told Mariah to go back to bed.

It seems pretty obvious to me how the son's version was being manipulated.

There also seems to be a difference in the sequence - the son says Mariah cried, then something happened to Mariah (she was hit) (when did she stop crying?) before he heard KW saying get rid of her. KW says Mariah cried and she asked EK to handle it.

On the son's version KW was involved (hit her? decided to get rid of her/knew they were in trouble). In KW's version she didn't see Mariah after she put her to bed, so she's calling from another room.

The possibilities are narrowing, but I'm still pondering.

The fact that the son said when Mariah was crying, KW or EK hit her, and KW told EK to get rid of her.

This really stood out to me today. I think it lends more credence towards KW being abusive to Mariah as well. Otherwise he might've said, "But I don't think so, because my mom never hits Mariah/us."

Also that KW told EK to get rid of her. That almost sounds like someone who had really lost it with their child, knew it, and was still angry about it, kind of like, "get her out of here, she's caused me enough trouble."

JMO of course.

 

[MissMalowe]

This is what I do. It may very well sound stupid...but things fly fast here. When I have been away for a few days, I go to the very last page and read what people are talking about. I can usually tell if there is a legit update. If there seems to be, I go back a few pages to try and find that update and either move back or go forward. Sometimes I just cant sit and read 50 pages to get caught up.
Sometimes I can. lol

No updates/new info also no additional arrests or additional charges. No autopsy report or preliminary findings.

 

[MissMalowe]

Meant to ask this earlier but thought I had perhaps misinterpreted theories as facts but it appears I've actually missed a giant piece of information....

The SON reported hearing Mariah crying, hearing something happen to her AND his mom saying to "get rid of her?!"

Could someone kindly point me to the post # or the link with this information? I hadn't heard of this coming from the son previously. Thanks so much!!

 

[Hatfield]

If I asked hubby to dispose of a body for me, he would first call the police, then call a good psychiatrist for me.

If your truly love someone, truly love your family, you would never, ever ask them to do something for you that might cause them harm later or cause them to go to jail.

JMO
Good points and jumping off your post.

I also asked myself and trying to answer honestly what I would really do in a situation like that. There would be no hesitation in me contacting authorities. Whether it was my child or my spouse if they came to me and admitted they killed my other child or anyone else for that matter then I would sit them down and explain to them why we have to go to authorities with the truth. I would also try to get legal help to get as light a sentence as possible for them but they would have to face consequences for their actions. Its just the way I was raised.

Another important reasons is I could never live with myself with something like that hanging over me. My conscious would not let me.

So bringing it back to this case I feel one or both of them is guilty because they would not want to take the fall for someone elses doing.
If one of the boys ended up killing her then they would not cover it up. They would not want to take the rap for something they themselves did not do.

Even if one of them is physcopathic and they have no conscious they still would not want to do prison time for someone else's doing so they would not cover it up IMO.

Which only leaves one possibility IMO. One or both of them were directly responsible and they were covering up for themselves and only themselves.

IMO they knew that underage people will sometimes get lighter sentences or no sentences so any attempt to throw the guilt on the other child would have been an idea they may have come up with after the fact. I am not sure if that is even where that surfaced or not so I guess we have to wait to see if either one of them was even blaming the other child.

 

[Wishbone]

Meant to ask this earlier but thought I had perhaps misinterpreted theories as facts but it appears I've actually missed a giant piece of information....

The SON reported hearing Mariah crying, hearing something happen to her AND his mom saying to "get rid of her?!"

Could someone kindly point me to the post # or the link with this information? I hadn't heard of this coming from the son previously. Thanks so much!!

Tortoise transcribed the NG show...post 566

 

[AgeofAquaruis]

http://www.wtsp.com/mobile/article/...edly-abducted-out-of-north-carolina/494998399



Had to dig, but they definitely reside at the 2405 address listed on Nov 28. So the 27th could be a reporting/input error or perhaps that's where they called 911 from. Just stuck out to me, No idea if it actually means anything...

Wasn't there an MSM link in an earlier thread about suspicious activity or something to that effect that listed Earl and someone else as being involved and it was recently, as in before arrest (obviously) but after Mariah's "disappearance" being reported? Perhaps this was that incident? But it just says address....no incident listed. Hmm....off to dig more.

Does anyone else remember that report or am I confusing details from different cases?

Wow. I totally missed that.
Abducted at 11:30pm. KW 'put her to bed, or checked on her at 11:00 pm. Maria 'woke up' at 12:00 pm.
That's a hole big enough to drive a semi through, sideways.

 

[alexwood]

Nancy Grace podcast December 4th, (two days after Mariah's body was recovered)

part transcribed:

AW: It was all a lie, her daddy, Kristy's dad said that they didn't get home until about midnight that night, and Earl took her body at some point after that and drove her body down to Maple Hill where she was found and dumped her.

interruption

..home from Raleigh where Earl and Kristy was visiting Earl's family. All this came from Vance, Kristy's daddy.

HC: ...woke up crying. Kristy told Earl to go take care of, to go get Mariah.

We have a mutual friend who works for Vance, which is Kristy's father, he called us crying the day they found out Mariah was missing and they were out looking for her, he called us crying saying he knows what happened, so he called Vance, put Vance on speakerphone. Vance however did not know that Alex and I were at Scott's house cause he was talking about it but we heard the conversation, cause Scott was like now you know asking him.

And Vance was saying that someone that was inside the home had told him what had happened, and he was like they're not gonna find Mariah, that they need to be looking around Maple Hill, and like around those trails and stuff and then like around the Maple Hill area and Scott's like have you reported this? And he said that he did tell a detective that. Well I also told a detective that too, before they even found her, cause I told them that this is what ...(interrupted)

Vance said that what was put to him is like when they got home around 11:30 near 12 midnight they put Mariah to bed, she woke up crying, that Kristy told Earl to go handle Mariah. They're trying to say that Earl got mad, and hit Mariah, and that one either Earl or Kris.., one or other of them, the mother or the mother's boyfriend hit Mariah, now they said that they don't know for sure as like they really, like they think it's like an accident you know that's how he's explaining it, you know I think they just thought you know they didn't mean to kill her, they didn't even know that really if she's dead, but they just panicked and Kristy told Earl to go get rid of her pretty much, dispose of her, hide her, or else they're all gonna get in trouble.

And that's how..what happened and then that's when Vance said they're not even gonna find that baby around in the woods, they're gonna find her up in Maple Hill and they need to be searching around Maple Hill, and that's where they found her.

Good job, Tortoise.

Thank you!

 

[MissMalowe]

Tortoise transcribed the NG show...post 566

Yes I see (and heard, I think this was one that I listened to on the NG show) that Alex Woods and his fiance Heather were telling NG about the story they overheard on speaker phone of a conversation between a mutual friend and Vance, but I didn't see where it specifically stated that the info Vance was relaying came directly from the son? So I'm confused. Will go back and read post #566 a 2nd time....

 

[rsd1200]

I too grew up in a stable home. I too grew up Pentecostal Holiness. My parents were married at 18 and 20 years of age. They were married nearly 40 years before my mom died. It was the only marriage for both of them so there was no step anything, no half siblings. there was not a lot of money but there was a whole lot of love. My parents didn't argue a lot, they didn't spank us and they stressed that being loyal to family was the most important thing in this world.

But we were also taught that if you did something wrong you owned up to it. You stood up and admitted it and took whatever punishment that came to you as a result of your actions. You didn't blame someone else. You didn't blame the police for getting caught. You simply said "okay I did it, now what?"

OT/ My parents married in their early 20s and are still together. Totally stable home. I was such a shock to their system. Bless their hearts. However, it's in our bloodline, it just skipped my mother... and landed square on me. I was kinda like that song, by Johnny Paycheck, I'm The Only Hell My Momma Ever Raised. :facepalm: I have not ever been arrested, though, thank the good Lord, nor has the spouse.

 

[Wishbone]

Yes I see (and heard, I think this was one that I listened to on the NG show) that Alex Woods and his fiance Heather were telling NG about the story they overheard on speaker phone of a conversation between a mutual friend and Vance, but I didn't see where it specifically stated that the info Vance was relaying came directly from the son? So I'm confused. Will go back and read post #566 a 2nd time....

he never said just who the info came from

 

[rsd1200]

If I asked hubby to dispose of a body for me, he would first call the police, then call a good psychiatrist for me.

If your truly love someone, truly love your family, you would never, ever ask them to do something for you that might cause them harm later or cause them to go to jail.

Exactly! In addition to a lawyer. Mine would think I'd gone round the bend if he came home to a deceased child and I asked him to dispose of the body. He thought I was kidding at first. He should've known I'd been on WS.

 

[Tortoise]

Kristy told Earl to go handle Mariah, then Kristy told Earl to go get rid of her.

Is this ringing true? She tells Earl to do both?

look after her, get rid of her. I only believe the second happened. The first was her invention, her lie for LE.

Very good point haven71 about the son thinking it was possible that mom had hit her.

I don't think anyone hit her though. I'm back to this being something the son guessed because they wanted to get rid of her. That doesn't detract from his reaction though, given that he's guessing it could have been either of them.

 

[Tortoise]

Yes I see (and heard, I think this was one that I listened to on the NG show) that Alex Woods and his fiance Heather were telling NG about the story they overheard on speaker phone of a conversation between a mutual friend and Vance, but I didn't see where it specifically stated that the info Vance was relaying came directly from the son? So I'm confused. Will go back and read post #566 a 2nd time....

He said it was someone in the trailer. I don't think KW or EK would say they didn't know which one hit her or that they didn't know if she was dead but KW told Earl to get rid of her. It had to be one of the sons.

 

[rsd1200]

This was my reality for years. As I just mentioned in a prior post, I worked on an adult in-patient locked psychiatric unit of a regular hospital.

We faced this potential every day. Street drugs have really changed the face of the physical dangers to mental health staff now.

To find yourself suddenly face to face with a mentally ill person who is floridly psychotic with hallucinations, paranoia, and rage, is beyond terrifying.

Sometimes the security staff were on our unit more than they weren't.

The difference for us though was that we were certain the patients had no weapons. ( They were thoroughly checked by two staff before admission to the unit. )

We didn't have any weapons either of course, but we utilized specific techniques learned during mandatory training, to subdue the patient as a team without harm to them or us. Easier said than done at times.

LE does not have that same luxury we did. I understand that. Therefore, I hesitate to criticize them without knowing the individual situation.

At the same time, I am totally in favor of LE implementation of improved management skills for the mentally ill.

It is truly heartbreaking to see just how vulnerable the mentally ill are...


ETA: This may be off topic. Please feel free to delete...



JMO

I concur. One of my kids works in much the same type of place doing much the same. Not a very big person at all but is able to handle big ole men. Those patients can also make weapons out of things sitting around, chairs, for instance, so they have to be vigilant.

 

[rsd1200]

JMO
Good points and jumping off your post.

I also asked myself and trying to answer honestly what I would really do in a situation like that. There would be no hesitation in me contacting authorities. Whether it was my child or my spouse if they came to me and admitted they killed my other child or anyone else for that matter then I would sit them down and explain to them why we have to go to authorities with the truth. I would also try to get legal help to get as light a sentence as possible for them but they would have to face consequences for their actions. Its just the way I was raised.

Another important reasons is I could never live with myself with something like that hanging over me. My conscious would not let me.

So bringing it back to this case I feel one or both of them is guilty because they would not want to take the fall for someone elses doing.
If one of the boys ended up killing her then they would not cover it up. They would not want to take the rap for something they themselves did not do.

Even if one of them is physcopathic and they have no conscious they still would not want to do prison time for someone else's doing so they would not cover it up IMO.

Which only leaves one possibility IMO. One or both of them were directly responsible and they were covering up for themselves and only themselves.

IMO they knew that underage people will sometimes get lighter sentences or no sentences so any attempt to throw the guilt on the other child would have been an idea they may have come up with after the fact. I am not sure if that is even where that surfaced or not so I guess we have to wait to see if either one of them was even blaming the other child.

Sounds plausible.

 

[Busylady]

So confused at this point - I don't see anything that says son told anyone anything about what happened in the trailer that night, per the AW - Vance told LE what happened and where to look for Mariah the day Mariah went missing yet LE didn't bother looking in Maple Hill at that time. So the day Mariah went missing we have Vance, Scott, AW, and HC all had heard what had happened - doesn't make sense to me why LE didn't immediately search Maple Hill area then?

 

[rsd1200]

Good job, Tortoise.

Thank you!

Oh thank you Tortoise, for listening and transcribing!!!

I found this part particularly disturbing. I'd thought I'd read it before but wasn't sure. Surely they knew. If not, I hope they can tell if she was deceased when they "got rid of her".

you know I think they just thought you know they didn't mean to kill her, they didn't even know that really if she's dead, but they just panicked and Kristy told Earl to go get rid of her pretty much, dispose of her, hide her, or else they're all gonna get in trouble.

From Tortoise's post #566 brought forward by alex to post #578

 

[Tortoise]

So confused at this point - I don't see anything that says son told anyone anything about what happened in the trailer that night, per the AW - Vance told LE what happened and where to look for Mariah the day Mariah went missing yet LE didn't bother looking in Maple Hill at that time. So the day Mariah went missing we have Vance, Scott, AW, and HC all had heard what had happened - doesn't make sense to me why LE didn't immediately search Maple Hill area then?

I'm reading between the lines. The son gave this info to his grandpa. Grandpa tells LE. LE ask KW why her son thinks that Maple Hill could be relevant. KW tells LE that the son is possibly mistaken because EK told them he was out that night stealing dressers from High Hill Road and she never said anything before because he would get into trouble for a/ not saying he left the trailer that night and b/ for the theft.

 

[Tortoise]

Oh thank you Tortoise, for listening and transcribing!!!

I found this part particularly disturbing. I'd thought I'd read it before but wasn't sure. Surely they knew. If not, I hope they can tell if she was deceased when they "got rid of her".



From Tortoise's post #566 brought forward by alex to post #578

I think it's a case of son listening through the walls.