NC - Open Carry Advocate Murders his Two Toddler Sons, 9 Aug 2015

  • #21
I'm not sure if Canada has more guns per person -- that was a claim in Moore's Columbine movie, I know -- but even if true, 95% of them are long guns used for hunting.

I would totally agree though that culture, broadly considered, is a huge problem. A culture of fear, a culture of rationalizing inequality, a culture of exceptionalism. Guns have a symbiotic relationship with many pathological dimensions of American culture.

and of course in Canada you can't just walk into Walmart and stock up on weaponry.

From global news:

There are an estimated 270 million firearms in the U.S., according to the independent research project called ‘Small Arms Survey.’ That’s 89 firearms per 100 residents, making the U.S. the No. 1 country for gun ownership.

Canada, on the other hand, ranks 13th on the study’s list, with 9.95 million firearms — or 31 per 100 residents.

Moore is right that Canada has a far lower rate of firearm homicides than its neighbour to the south.

http://globalnews.ca/news/1354803/f...canada-have-more-guns-per-capita-than-the-us/
 
  • #22
I am not against guns. I grew up in a home with guns, I was taught gun safety and responsibility...5 kids, no accident ever. What I am against is whatever system we have in our society that allows mentally insane and dangerous people to get their hands on these guns, or possess them. He should not have been allowed to have guns.
 
  • #23
  • #24
What! I can not believe this guy. Just so sick, did he not shoot himself after?

I honestly don't know where I stand with guns. I never think of them. I don't need to go out and buy one, carry one, or own one. But I think if someone is obsessed enough to not go places where one is not welcome , uh yeah that is a problem. I think I would carry one through the woods, huge fear of bears, not so much humans, I still believe their are more good people than evil.
 
  • #25
It's kind of funny (not the ha ha kind of funny) how we jump all up in some parent's shizz because their kid turned out to be a murderous 🤬🤬🤬, yet some psycho like this absolute treasure of a guy is practically SCREAMING from his SM that he in unhinged, and ARMED....and "GEE, how could we have known?" "He was just a regular, black-person-hatin' gun-wearin' (while hanging with his kids, Christ Almighty) guy", or how about "guns don't kill people, the psycho pieces of crap who insist on having guns on them so that they can take innocent lives do"?

Sorry but tonight I am just sick of people. We ought to be ashamed of what we have become, but we aren't . We are damned proud.

We are doomed as a society. And that makes me sad.

In Canada, you can be arrested for offensive language. <modsnip> A woman chose him to be the father of her children. He may or may not be mentally ill. But she obviously knew his actions, attitudes, etc. She still chose this man to father her children. Not everything in life is fair or right and sometimes it is a catastrophe or a tragedy. But we cannot control all people all the time. He could have attacked them with an ax and then blew up the house with gas from the oven or stove. It is not guns or gun laws. People come in all varieties. We cannot make a law to cover every person in every situation.
 
  • #26
In Canada, you can be arrested for offensive language. <modsnip> A woman chose him to be the father of her children. He may or may not be mentally ill. But she obviously knew his actions, attitudes, etc. She still chose this man to father her children. Not everything in life is fair or right and sometimes it is a catastrophe or a tragedy. But we cannot control all people all the time. He could have attacked them with an ax and then blew up the house with gas from the oven or stove. It is not guns or gun laws. People come in all varieties. We cannot make a law to cover every person in every situation.

In a town near me, an illegal alien just stabbed four people to death.

In OK, those two brothers stabbed their entire family.

And on and on. It's not guns or gun laws; it's violent criminals. They're coddled, excused, pled down to misdemeanors, probationed, paroled, and turned loose to run around free and do it some more. They need to be arrested, tried, convicted, locked up, and KEPT locked up. Including juvie criminals, who so often get turned loose at 18 with a "clean" record, regardless of what they did before 18.
 
  • #27
It has been set to private.



Well guns are not the lead cause of death in the western world. Or even here in US, although clearly gun violence is a big problem here.

But Israel, Switzerland and I think Canada have more guns per person than we do and none have the near the same level of gun violence. I think we have a culture problem, not a gun problem. And that culture is about worshipping and glorifying weapons, violence and fear.

BIB: I bow to you sister.
 
  • #28
It appears to have been taken down. Probably just as well -- I'm sure that a lot of his fellow ammosexuals would have copied and circulated a lot of his gun and hate-related memes.

BBM Montjoy did you come up with that term? It's perfect IMO!
 
  • #29
I am not against guns. I grew up in a home with guns, I was taught gun safety and responsibility...5 kids, no accident ever. What I am against is whatever system we have in our society that allows mentally insane and dangerous people to get their hands on these guns, or possess them. He should not have been allowed to have guns.

I grew up with guns too, and strict rules about being around them and using them. My family hunted, and we lived in the country and guns were just part of the lifestyle for everyone we knew. But no one I knew loved guns the way I see people do now. They could have been out there, just ime guns were dangerous, necessary tools, not toys and objects of worship.

I think what happens is people get too caught up in it is everyone's right to own a gun and any restriction is too much restriction. No background checks, no registrations, no records.. That's the extreme, but it's out there. And IMO when anyone and everyone is allowed to own weapons someone like this man is allowed to own them, and then children are killed.

I'm willing to bet this man has said "from my cold dead hands" and intended on dying to protect his gun, but instead he used his weapon to murder his own children. I keep thinking: He used what he most loved to kill what he should have loved the most.

Jmo etc.
 
  • #30
I'm pleased that guns aren't commonplace in the UK. I can't understand the need or desire for a gun
 
  • #31
To the people who say: Guns don't kill, people kill- and that he would have found another weapon to kill with. Why make it easier??? The accessibility of guns is outrageous! And firing off a gun is a far faster way to kill someone than to grab a baseball bat or a knife and you don't have to be as close. A victim's chances of survival I believe are far better with other weapons.
 
  • #32
I'm so rankled by psycho haters like this claiming to be Christian. Really? Jesus of Nazareth was the polar opposite of this murderous nut. What in the world does he think Jesus stood for? I'm intrigued by Osama Bin Ladin's comment (no less!) that he has never seen a religion where the followers are so far different in philosophy and actions than their leader. Indeed.
 
  • #33
I'm so rankled by psycho haters like this claiming to be Christian. Really? Jesus of Nazareth was the polar opposite of this murderous nut. What in the world does he think Jesus stood for? I'm intrigued by Osama Bin Ladin's comment (no less!) that he has never seen a religion where the followers are so far different in philosophy and actions than their leader. Indeed.

It's the same situation for Muslims -- they despise Muslim terrorists and hate being linked to them, which, unfortunately, happens quite a lot in North America, even here.
 
  • #34
In Canada, you can be arrested for offensive language. <modsnip> A woman chose him to be the father of her children. He may or may not be mentally ill. But she obviously knew his actions, attitudes, etc. She still chose this man to father her children. Not everything in life is fair or right and sometimes it is a catastrophe or a tragedy. But we cannot control all people all the time. He could have attacked them with an ax and then blew up the house with gas from the oven or stove. It is not guns or gun laws. People come in all varieties. We cannot make a law to cover every person in every situation.

You can be arrested in the states for cursing too.
 
  • #35
Anyone who kills their own child or any child is disgusting. The method of murder doesn't really matter to me as much as the intent. Most of the parents here on ws in cases like this have beaten their child to death with their own bare hands. Their own flesh kills their own flesh. Rest in peace, little men :(
 
  • #36
I'm so rankled by psycho haters like this claiming to be Christian. Really? Jesus of Nazareth was the polar opposite of this murderous nut. What in the world does he think Jesus stood for? I'm intrigued by Osama Bin Ladin's comment (no less!) that he has never seen a religion where the followers are so far different in philosophy and actions than their leader. Indeed.

Jesus wept :(
 
  • #37
Yes, well, guns don't kill people. People who think that guns are the answer to all of life's problems kill people. And once again, innocent lives are lost because of some ahole with gun-lust. Awesome. Their own DADDY!

Love your guns all you want. I don't have to. And matter of fact, I can think you are despicable for your love of guns over your fellow ma

JMO, MOO.

ETA: Gitana, I am appreciating your post and agreeing. I am just feeling so defeated by who we are as a people. I hope my anger and disgust does not come off as directed at you.


Ouch. :(
 
  • #38
Poor children. They were doomed from the start having this 🤬🤬🤬 as a father. RIP little ones.


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  • #39
Yes, well, guns don't kill people. People who think that guns are the answer to all of life's problems kill people. And once again, innocent lives are lost because of some ahole with gun-lust. Awesome. Their own DADDY!

Love your guns all you want. I don't have to. And matter of fact, I can think you are despicable for your love of guns over your fellow man.

JMO, MOO.

ETA: Gitana, I am appreciating your post and agreeing. I am just feeling so defeated by who we are as a people. I hope my anger and disgust does not come off as directed at you.

Agree 100%


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  • #40
I grew up with guns too, and strict rules about being around them and using them. My family hunted, and we lived in the country and guns were just part of the lifestyle for everyone we knew. But no one I knew loved guns the way I see people do now. They could have been out there, just ime guns were dangerous, necessary tools, not toys and objects of worship.

I think what happens is people get too caught up in it is everyone's right to own a gun and any restriction is too much restriction. No background checks, no registrations, no records.. That's the extreme, but it's out there. And IMO when anyone and everyone is allowed to own weapons someone like this man is allowed to own them, and then children are killed.

I'm willing to bet this man has said "from my cold dead hands" and intended on dying to protect his gun, but instead he used his weapon to murder his own children. I keep thinking: He used what he most loved to kill what he should have loved the most.

Jmo etc.
BBM ITA! Often when there's a shooting in the news, there are a lot of comments on news websites both pro and con gun ownership -- mostly pro. And the comments of the majority of the gun proponents are truly scary! It's obvious those people shouldn't own a gun, but they consider it their "God-given" right (LOL. Nowhere in the Bible does God give anyone the right to own a gun). Really, though, they're not exactly demanding everyone's right to own a gun -- just their right.

Again, I have friends who have made or posted comments on FB about guns. One post addressed people who don't own a gun, saying something like, "If someone breaks into your home, don't call me." I'm thinking, why would I call a friend who owns a gun? I'd call LE! IMO, the post was victim-blaming people who don't own guns, like we are bringing crime on ourselves. But, gun owners have been shot with their own gun during break-ins, and some have been unable to access their gun during a break-in because it's in another part of the house.

Another "friend" has made some scary comments about guns and she isn't (IMO) mentally stable. She claims her ex-husband abused her, but after hearing some of her lies and witnessing some of her behavior, I wonder how accurate her accusations are. When she stayed with me for over a month, I was very nervous wondering if she had a gun with her. She followed me all over the house (even into my bedroom and watched me look through my purse) and seemed to pop up unexpectedly, making me very jumpy. At the first store I took her to, she immediately went over to the checkout counter, actually going behind the counter and behind the clerk, who had just opened the till. IIRC, she didn't even tell me beforehand that she was going to ask the clerk if the store accepted EBT cards (it was posted all over the storefront). I thought for sure she was about to rob the place! And, by the look on the faces of the shoppers in line, they and the clerk did too! Also, the woman was offended when she had to ring a buzzer at a women's shelter for someone to let her in; she said it made her feel like a criminal. IMO, it's people like that, who DEMAND trust -- either verbally or tacitly -- who are NOT trustworthy.

IMO, none of us should be considered capable of deciding for ourselves that we (individually) are fit to own a gun. While there are shooters in the news who do obtain a gun illegally, there are still many who legally own the weapon they use against their victim(s).
 

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