NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Allegedly sold by mother 11/10/09 #12

[Patty G]

Do we know the aunt didn't call the dad???
Also, I don't think they realized how bad it was.
I'm sure they did not think momster would pimp Shaniya out and kill her.
IMO

No, we don't know if the aunt called the father, but based on how it came across in the article, it appears the aunt never called.

Hindsight is 20/20. Just like with the woman that heard the noise outside her home at 3:00 AM. If only she got up and turned on a light, or called the police but she didn't.

This is how I feel about not checking on Shaniya, making a point to check to see if she was in school on Monday, especially after the disturbing conversation between AD and the aunt.

If only .....

 

[nnglas]

In the video it states that Davis withdrew her from school, it is after the 2 minute mark.

Oh, ok got it. But that was in the middle of Oct., so where was she when her pictures were taken for Halloween, unless that wasn't from this past Halloween.

 

[LogicalMinds]

I imagine that baby came home some weekends from Moms house and there was no previous complaint by the child that she had been sexually harmed in any way. (father said she did get the baby sometimes on a weekend)
so the Lockheart family had no way of knowing that this could even be a small possibility. I do not think the baby had been hurt before, or she would not have been sent to her mom again.

"Imagine">> we can all speculate all we want...my speculations and imaginings are worse than what I post...I try to keep my posts about things that have been published in the media or seen on tv

The very fact that she would tell them they won't see here again is a huge red flag....I "imagine" she had NOT said that before??

that red flag would have me up and running like the bull at a bullfight

 

[impatientredhead]

BBM

I am so shocked people are bashing and blaming innocent people when the only 2 we know of that committed a crime are in jail right now.
It's a respect issue IMO.

I have not personally seen anyone attacking anyone.

Disagreeing about whether the custodial parent has some responsibility for the outcome of this situation is not an automatic sign of disrespect. As long as people express their opinions without personally attacking that parent I find it rude and condescending to be told that we are cold, sadistic and disrespectful.

I personally have said I feel great empathy for the father in this case. I cannot imagine the guilt he is feeling.

That does not mean that I cannot question his judgement. This was not a mother that had been a stellar member of society until this totally unforeseen event. She has a drug history, her boyfriend is a felon, the aunt who lives in her home is dating a drug dealer. Family members knew he was a dealer, the other one a felon, and she a recent drug user. The home she was living in leaks raw sewage. These were not signs that couldn't be seen by the average viewer.

Could he have ever imagined she would sell her to some pervert? Of course not. Could he have noticed it was an unsafe environment and not likely one his daughter should be unsupervised in, yes, anyone could have. What is the acceptable level of foreseen abuse? The fact that he didn't see her being killed by this monster doesn't erase the bad judgement that preceded her being in the place for it to happen.

He stepped up into the role of custodial parent, presumably for a reason, and that role comes with the responsibility of making sure the new environment is a safe one if he as her parent is deeming she should go to it. That was his job. And again this was not some out of the blue, mom always adored this child, mom was clean and sober, mom had a clean safe home that he had seen, mom was not surrounded by people with known questionable backgrounds. All of that was known. He took a risk that Shaniya paid for and I cannot imagine how much he is paying for, but it does not make me or anyone else who sees it as such disrespectful and out of line for saying so.

 

[MommyInHighHeels]

Oh, ok got it. But that was in the middle of Oct., so where was she when her pictures were taken for Halloween, unless that wasn't from this past Halloween.

She looks younger to me in that pic, I would guess it was last years, MOO.

ETA: Or it could be that she attended a Halloween event which took place prior to the 9th, I know here they have Halloween at the zoo 2 to 3 weeks prior to the 31st, the kids dress up for that too.

 

[songline]

I noticed that too, Rae. I just can't shake the impression that she tried to talk him out of it, and he over-ruled her. :sheesh: If so, then it would sure explain what we're hearing and seeing in their words and emotions.
But who knows... it will be interesting to find out if she called him after AD told her she'd never see Shaniya again and how that conversation went.

It's so weird that we keep reading that he was going to let Shaniya "live with" her monster, but the aunt expected her back after the weekend...?

I have a feeling that since he was not on the baby's BC he was not wanting to put his foot down till he could. But never in a million years did he expect this to happen.
I have a feeling that he was afraid that she would cause for him to lose Shaniya if he did not let her go see her mom.
I think he was playing his hand the best he could, and being he traveled for work he did not have the time to hire legal counsel which he should have done long ago, and maybe he did. But he did say he was going to let her be a Mother. And his sister did say she only packed her up for the weekend.
that is why I believe he was playing his hand the best that he could with egg Donner.

 

[paris_paris]

Without paperwork showing custody?
Someone had to have custody of this child to take her to the doctor, enroll her in school, to get her insurance.
So, legally, who had rights to this kid?
Anybody?

Nobody had legal custody, so really, Shaniya was open game to either parent... the both had legal rights.

Sometimes when there don't appear to be issues, a parent doesn't go the legal route. I expect Shaniya's Dad didn't because he didn't want to rock the boat.

 

[rotterdam]

I have no idea...

I for one get tired of the too familiar routine...

tragedy...tie a ribbon...buy a bear and let it rot outside
light a candle...and say where to send money to the "family"

start a fund, start yet another "charity" ....

what we need are laws with teeth...enforcement of laws...
state child care workers that are empowered

rather than more ragtag often self serving "foundations" and "funds" we need a national clearing house that can get things done
a clearing house that will give out money and and help as needed, where needed, when needed

we need more things like the "truckers channel" that Mark Klass is working for....have you all written a letter for that??

we need some agencies where a family like Shaynia's could go to get some quick legal help....kids are dying...enough of the sob sister bs

we need to protect the kids...not wallow around

I think we need some national agencies that are willing to get out there and make it happen
lobby....get politicans involved..sponsor bills...
set up taskforces

there should be some sort of "emergency" taskforce when people know a child is in danger as Shaynia was

I think some ...a very rare few....people touched by tragedy are capable of running a foundation...Mark Klass seems to be one
I also admire Mark Lundsford for Jessica's Law

however, let's not forget the Anthony's also had a "foundation" and were trolling for money any way they could get it

Frankly, I am always baffled why survivors of victims want to set up individual foundations. There are plenty of bona fide existing foundations for such purpose. IMO would constitute less overhead and more $$ could be used on the actual purpose of the foundation. Unless you are already rolling in dough, I can not see the reason.

 

[not_my_kids]

What if it is a custody thing, still?
What if the mother hired Mcneil to drug Shaniya, molest her, and then blame it on the father?
If she was drugged, she wouldn't remember, and taking her to the hotel eliminates the risks posed by physical evidence in the trailer.

That theory is missing some pieces.

 

[Amster]

Dads sister says LE contacted her because she was listed on the school papers. As what? Legal guardian??

 

[danni]

Thanks for this info

I wish someone from Fayetteville would say...where is this school?? Is it near the dad's house or near "Sleepy Hollow" trailer park??

I feel it is near the dad's....he/aunt enrolled her..and someone (who?) took her "out"?? why? how??

also...how could they even enroll her without some form of guarianship papers?? You can't just walk in a school with a kid and enroll them without some papers/proof etc

Please...anyone from around there?? thanks

What is dads address or sub. name? location that he lives?

 

[impatientredhead]

I imagine that baby came home some weekends from Moms house and there was no previous complaint by the child that she had been sexually harmed in any way. (father said she did get the baby sometimes on a weekend)
so the Lockheart family had no way of knowing that this could even be a small possibility. I do not think the baby had been hurt before, or she would not have been sent to her mom again.

There is no indication weekend visits had been occuring.
The boyfriend of two years says he only met her three weeks ago.
My interpretation is that she was not an active part of Shaniya's life.
There is a comment about her finally expressing an interest in her.
And while I applaud his placing value in her knowing her mother it *appears* things went a bit from zero to 60 in that regard.

The pictures of her are so beautiful I wonder if MAM saw them and this was the plan from the beginning of the new found interest in mothering.

 

[Muffet]

I can't figure out which October date is right, but I think the aunt took her to momster's for the weekend. On Sunday momster told her she'd never see Shaniya again. The aunt called Dad. Aunt's hands are tied... Dad is out of state. Dad calls momster to see what's going on and momster tells him she wants to keep Shaniya longer. He gives her the OK.

Ya, something like that.

The presser and other reports today makes me think so too, Paris.

 

[Patty G]

Without paperwork showing custody?
Someone had to have custody of this child to take her to the doctor, enroll her in school, to get her insurance.
So, legally, who had rights to this kid?
Anybody?

My thoughts too! Based on the aunt, Shaniya was with her most of the time when Brad traveled. Who is on the list at school to pick the child up, sign in, sign out, take her for medical treatment, etc., etc., etc. Who signed to withdraw Shaniya from school?

Was the elementary school that Shaniya attended not in the same district as to where AD lived.

 

[not_my_kids]

Nobody had legal custody, so really, Shaniya was open game to either parent... the both had legal rights.

Sometimes when there don't appear to be issues, a parent doesn't go the legal route. I expect Shaniya's Dad didn't because he didn't want to rock the boat.

I have never heard of a case where no one had custody of a child. I thought that was impossible.

 

[thejoker101]

I see what you are saying, however, Coe said after he was out of jail that he didn't think the mother had anything to do with it. I don't know. Im not saying she is innocent, however, I just have to wonder exactly what evidence they have that she was prostituting her daughter.

Maybe when Coe realized that Momster tried to set him up for the kidnapping, then he decided to tell what he knew.

These comments from him says he definitely know something, and if he knew then Momster knew. KWIM?


Quote from Coe

"Every day I was there the little girl was never in the living room," Coe said. "Every night when I slept there the little girl was never in the living room, so all I can say is educated people figure it out."
http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?se...cal&id=7116354

 

[balaney]

Is there any chance that the person that took her to the motel was trying to get her way from the trailer - to help her- and she dies anyway at the motel so he dumps her body out of fear

 

[mydailyopinions]

Thanks for this info

I wish someone from Fayetteville would say...where is this school?? Is it near the dad's house or near "Sleepy Hollow" trailer park??

I feel it is near the dad's....he/aunt enrolled her..and someone (who?) took her "out"?? why? how??

also...how could they even enroll her without some form of guarianship papers?? You can't just walk in a school with a kid and enroll them without some papers/proof etc

Please...anyone from around there?? thanks

With there being no formal custody arrangements, I am sure that the mother only had to provide a birth certificate for Shaniya. Maybe she needed shot records which she would still be entitled to without any custody arrangements. I would assume that without proper paperwork for any guardianship, mom could get anything she wanted where Shaniya's paperwork is concerned, same as the father.

My husband has custody of my 2 stepchildren whom I myself have enrolled in school each and every year since they were old enough to go to school. Now they are 16 and 14. The only thing that must stay in their file is the copy of the judge's order for custody..
Since there is not one in this case, I imagine they could have enrolled and removed her every other week if they chose to..

 

[not_my_kids]

Dads sister says LE contacted her because she was listed on the school papers. As what? Legal guardian??

She said guardian...as to whether she was certified legal guardian or just emergency contact, I don't know. But she did say guardian.

 

[Muffet]

I have a feeling that since he was not on the baby's BC he was not wanting to put his foot down till he could. But never in a million years did he expect this to happen.
I have a feeling that he was afraid that she would cause for him to lose Shaniya if he did not let her go see her mom.
I think he was playing his hand the best he could, and being he traveled for work he did not have the time to hire legal counsel which he should have done long ago, and maybe he did. But he did say he was going to let her be a Mother. And his sister did say she only packed her up for the weekend.
that is why I believe he was playing his hand the best that he could with egg Donner.

The only reason I have difficulty with this is that a) he said he agreed to give her a chance, which sounds like he knew he had power, and b) observing her history, I see no reason for him or her to doubt that he could have gotten custody of Shaniya if he had chosen to. KWIM?