NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Fayetteville, 10 Nov 2009 - Allegedly sold by mother #21

[imamaze]

Um, can we at least quit quoting the negative posts, since imamaze made it clear she is deleting them?


IMA - YOU MUST HAVE THE PATIENCE OF A SAINT.

Why thank you not_my_kids

I really do understand how everyone feels about this case. I agree with Tricia though, we really need to be careful about what we are posting about this family.

 

[Tricia]

Guys, we can all admit that everyone in Shaniya's life made mistakes. Mistakes that lead to Shaniya staying with her mother when she shouldn't have but this is a true crime forum. Not a bashing over and over people who made terrible mistakes forum.

I am asking now, in a much stronger tone, that the trashing STOP. It ADDS NOTHING to the discussion. We are above that.

From now on no warnings. I'll ban for good because if you can't get what I am asking you to do then this forum isn't for you.

Tricia

 

[not_my_kids]

I have a feeling she had to be clean to get the job she had then along the way between urine test relapsed. Her next sreening would have caught it.

That would not surprise me a bit...wouldn't surprise me to learn that she cleaned her system or used someone else's urine either.

I have no proof, just saying it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

What about MAM? He made a few choices too.

Oh, I totally agree!!! Could not agree more actually.
AD and MAM

And while I think BL made some bad choices, I do not think he had any idea of what danger Shaniya was in.

I've seen it posted that he handed her over like a lamb to the slaughter. GMAB

When people give a lamb to a slaughter, they know the lamb is about to be slaughtered. IMO BL had no idea what evils lurked with that "mom" and her "friends"

 

[zadari]

Child negligence is a crime. I will not be surprised if he ends up being charged.

well i have mixed feelings on this .. it all depends on whether or not if he KNEW what kind of life she was living .. he shouldve known .. i know id wanna know if it were my kikabird .. id inspect everything .. but im not him .. how do we know if mabey she invited him over to look the place over and had it all cleaned up with no friends around ? that couldve happened ..but when i see him cry i see grief and i see him kicking himself bigtime for leaving her with her mom .. but i dont know the man .. i dont see how shanyia couldve been an inconvience to him when he was gone all the time and the aunt took care of her .. and not only that wouldnt he have to pay child support if she was given back to her mom ? which wouldve in the end costed him more money than raising her i think .. i dont know how that works cuz dan and i are married .

 

[kindiejo]

I agree, his inlaws having to take him to court for child support speaks volumes to his work history.

What source can you offer to verify that the in-laws have had to take him to court in order to receive child support?

And what is your source that points out any issues regarding his work history, as that is something quite new to me?

 

[Turbo]

Can someone answer a question for me. My understanding is that AD was living in the trailer with a sister and that the sister was in the trailer at the time Shanyia was taken. Has the sister said anything about what was going on? Do we know the sister's name and history? I also remember hearing that MAM was an ex boyfriend of the sister or AD, anybody know if there is any truth in that?

 

[GetSmart]

I have a feeling she had to be clean to get the job she had then along the way between urine test relapsed. Her next sreening would have caught it.

no not really.. there are drinks you can buy and they give you clean test.

 

[songline]

Dear Shaniya:

Today I won't post about pain, fear, cruelty, facts, rumors, justice, inhumanity, or injustice. Those words can wait until tomorrow. Today, may you use me just a little to reach beyond this world and find the glory. It would be an honor for my hands to be among the hands that comfort you and lift you to God - my hands trembling next to the millions who merely long to wipe away your pain and see you safely home. The hands that once hurt in the dark are now brought to the light. They can never hurt you again. May the hands that pushed you towards the pain soon be writhing in the fire, unable to ever be a guide for the devil again.

Take these loving hands that reach for you today, Shaniya, and use their love and strength to carry you forward to a New World, dear baby, unto the loving arms of Jesus. Amen.

I just wanted to bump this post as the winner for today.
I hope we can get back to the case tomorrow.

Good night.

 

[not_my_kids]

I don't agree with the lamb to the slaughter comments either. I don't think he knew, fully. I think he may have known that AD wasn't a great housekeeper, or that there were people on the property that might not have been the greatest.

I think that he did know it was a less than perfect environment, and I would like to see him take a little bit of responsibility, but I am trying to focus on the things he did that mattered. His job was not necessarily in his control, so I don't comment about it. I don't even think he should face charges, because if AD was going to do this, I really do believe she would have done it on a weekend visit...

So, I will continue to question, but no more bashing.

 

[Muffet]

I think BL is a victim of the circumstances he helped to create...That's as delicate as I can get.
The last half of that sentence, IMO, negates the first part.

ITA. I'd similarly struggle with calling a father a victim if he sent his child to cross a highway at 11pm on a Saturday night and she got hit by a DUI. :sheesh:

Tiptoeing around his sensitivities and making excuses because he's a victim is a mistake, imo.

Showing that some parental behaviors pose risks that are unacceptable and the parent will be held accountable for them is what will cause other parents to think twice and help save more children.

JMO :twocents:

 

[Carolina Girl]

There is something strange going on with the site. I looked now and it is gone. Sorry.

HEre is the link for the funeral:
http://www.wral.com/news/video/6475163/

 

[not_my_kids]

There is an article, I believe it was in the Fayetteville Observer, stating that in 1998, the parents of his deceased wife took him to court for custody of all three kids that he had with her, they finally got it and child support in 2007.
Don't have a link, my favorites are being funny.

 

[not_my_kids]

I'd struggle with calling any father a victim if he sent his child to cross a highway at 11pm on a Saturday night and she got hit by a DUI. :sheesh:

Tiptoeing around his sensitivities and making excuses because he's a victim is a mistake, imo.

Showing that some parental behaviors pose risks that are unacceptable and the parent will be held accountable for them is what will cause other parents to think twice and help save more children.

JMO :twocents:

And that is why I say the second part negates the first...victim, yes. Innocent victim, still up for discussion. And he didn't send her to cross the freeway, he sent her to her other parent, as had been done many times before, apparently.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Wow. I'm reluctant to say anything which could give fuel to the fire here, this is not what I'd expected to find on this thread today.

Maybe that's because I am not unfamiliar w the traditions of the black church. Please I'm begging you not to bother picking that apart either, as there is no point in my pretending there is no divide... tho it is far from God's desire, the reality is it seems Jesus has "two brides," or one, divided bilaterally...

Funerals, memorials and homegoing services--like prayer--are for the living. Having said that however, I am disappointed that more was not shared re Shaniya herself. That they might realize the diamond--the jewel--that was in their midst. My instinct tells me this is because this precious child was never really the focus--truly nurtured, known, appreciated and celebrated--during the short time she was alive.

It is not Shaniya who needs our prayers now... she is where there are no more tears, no more sorrow, and forever safe from harm. I get the homegoing celebration--what better place to go after one has lived a long, full life, or even been taken in unforseen accident, and when a life has not been cut short so cruely and abruptly in such a violent, senseless fashion. So while a funeral is indeed to comfort those who mourn in w/e manner they elect, in this case--where there's a gathering of the community in which Shaniya lost her life due to so many failures and risk factors it was IMO also a missed opportunity.

A difficult one but an opportunity nonetheless, maybe even incumbent upon pastors, to address the community in some way. To communicate, to believers and nonbelievers alike, God's heart for children. To remind every parent that every child is a gift and an inheritance, and just how valuable and precious they are. To speak to every citizen, concerning stewardship of all children w/in a community. Perhaps raise awareness of our shared responsibilty to care for the innocents, the helpless, and the lost. To be our brother's, our neighbor's, and their children's keeper and become that much more vigilant. Not a message of condemnation but a cry and call to this community out of complacency, so not everyone could leave unchanged. Yes it might have had a few squirming, who would prefer to leave and return to their lives much the same. But it might have helped a few others to make sense out of Shaniya's tragedy--and to prevent another.

I know Shaniya has forever changed *me* as have the other missing and murdered children here on this board. I am keenly, acutely aware of what a treasure and a joy it is to have my daughter in my life--and I cherish and protect her all the more. God bless you all.

arrot:

 

[lbminnesota]

I asked a girlfriend today to watch the tape of AD in court. My friend is an MD. She felt pretty confident AD is going through serious withdrawal - the licking of lips, her affect, eye movement, etc. Very interesting how she picked up on the small stuff. Her non-reaction is due to the medication she's been given for the withdrawals. The unborn baby would die without it.

She reminded me that most of us cannot understand what happens to the brain when using hard-core drugs such as crack cocaine. It's an altered reality and leads to being a danger to themselves and children. A person in this state will do almost anything because of the cravings.

Another opinion my friend shared - LE probably is waiting for AD to go through her withdrawals before continuing questioning. The amount/length of usage affects each person differently - some can be functioning and some display psychotic symptoms. I believe orignally implicating Coe wasn't part of a plan - it was words from a mentally sick woman.

 

[MBSC]

Copy and paste? There is also an alert button on each post.

FWIW, a thread in a crime forum doesn't stop being a crime thread the day a funeral takes place. In the past people who want to set up a memorial thread have done so in the parking lot. Just a suggestion from someone who's been around here a bit.

Also, we might not agree or like what someone posts, as long as they are within the TOS they are allowed.

Amen, SuziQ! :clap:

I have been here at WS much longer lurking and reading than posting. There have been times that I have been offended by what someone has posted; but you know what? Although I may have not liked or agreed with what I read, I acknowledge that others have the right to feel and believe the way they do. It would be one sad, sad world if we all felt the same and thought the same. I, for one, don't want to live in a Stepford world. Each and everyone here has their own opinions and post them, expecting to be respected for how they feel. Just because some of see things differently and call them as we see them doesn't make us wrong or insensitive or callous....

Three sayings come to mind here....

Your being right doesn't mean I'm wrong.

If you can't change something, change the way you feel about it.

Put on your big-girl panties and deal with it.

JMO!

 

[SondraK]

Please remember to light a candle for Shaniya if you wish to do so.


http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=WS

 

[Muffet]

And that is why I say the second part negates the first...victim, yes. Innocent victim, still up for discussion. And he didn't send her to cross the freeway, he sent her to her other parent, as had been done many times before, apparently.

Yes. I also thought you put it perfectly in that post. (I prolly shoulda clarified that in my reply. I'll edit it now.)

 

[belimom]

From my "mandated reporter" training module that I'm doing right now:
"According to the National Child Abuse and Neglect Date System's most current report from 2006, the largest percentage of perpetrators, nearly 80 percent (79.9%), were parents of the victim, including birth parents, adoptive parents, and stepparents."

To complete the statistics (from 2006):

79.9%....parents (including stepparents)
6.7%....other relatives
3.8%....unmarried partner of a parent
0.6%....daycare providers
0.4%....foster parent
0.2%....residential staff

ETA: More than 90% of children who are abused were victimized by someone they know.

57.9%...women
42.1%...men