NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Fayetteville, 10 Nov 2009 - Allegedly sold by mother #24

[Patty G]

And they are sure stating as fact AD had a drug problem on HLN.

They sure are and it is certainly NOT fact that AD was on drugs.

 

[lbminnesota]

And that question has not been asked, to my knowledge. Also, my post was in response to a different issue - one as to whether Bl discussed with various people that he was "giving" Shaniya to AD. I take "giving" to mena, "Here, you keep her." as opposed to a visit or period of custodial time.

We know dates; everything else is murky.

 

[JustJax]

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HLN is reporting DCFS did investigat both Shaniya and her brother at the mothers home.

Rut Ro! I think I now understand the reason that BL needs an attorney! BINGO!

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They meant AD's other child living with her that lives with her...7 year old.

 

[songline]

I can see a scenario where Shanyia's parents communicated regarding their child - BL taking over when AD seemed unable to cope but allowing visits whenever she wanted. To me, I get the sense that she had problems he was aware of, but I just don't believe he was aware of any significant problems such as continuing, serious drug use, questionable men around, DCF involvement with her other child (that info is confidential and there is NO WAY it would be released to a party not involved in the actual case, except for gov. personnel), her actual living situation of not being on the lease, etc. (By the way, I saw photos of the inside of the house. The photos showed a mess but not one that was shocking. I have seen much, much worse).
To me, BL seems like an imperfect but well-meaning person. If the reports out there are true, he appears to have several kids from different moms, and he just generally seems like a guy whose life and background, family of origin, and history, may not have been the very best and limited his abilities to be on the ball, to some degree.
Yet, he seems to me like he tried to do the best he could for Shaniya with the resources he had available and considering his background, etc.
Also, there seems to be a big gap between his older kids ages and Shaniya's so he may have become a more mature person and parent, a more religious person and so forth, ya' know what I mean?
But, if my instincts are right regarding the type of guy he is and was and where he came from, etc., he may have felt some sympathy for AD and thought, "Well, I have not been perfect in my life but I have changed a lot. AD seems sincere and I don't want to deny my child a chance to have an involved mother, so I'll allow more contact."
I still think Shaniya came to be with her mother in October as a part of what was supposed to be a short visit but that AD refused to give her back when she was scheduled to, BL was out of town and didn't have the ability to immediately address the situation, Aunt Carey had no legal rights and BL just thought, "Okay, you can keep her for a while until I get back. I won't fight some extended time. I'll give you a chance."
I really see nothing to suggest he was "dumping" his kid to avoid responsibility or to begin a new, childless relationship. He just doesn't seem like the type to me and it seems Aunt Carey would have been willing to step up if that's what he wanted to do and had real concerns that AD would not be a good choice for Shaniya. What would be the reason to toss her to AD's if he knew things weren't right there and that Carey was willing to keep her? It makes no sense.
I don't get that this guy is some kind of unfeeling jerk who did not have his child's best interest at heart. (Even if his choices were not well-thought out).
Instead, he seems like the kind of guy many of us know: Sentimental, makes bad decisions in love, not alot of education, perhaps likes to throw a few back on a regular basis, big hearted but not always as responsible as he could be, loves the ladies and not smart with protection, a bit immature or irresponsible when he first had babies, but all in all, a nice enough guy, generous with friends, etc. That's my feeling. I've known alot of guys like that.
On a related topic, as far as the cigarette burn thing and this supposed strong evidence of abuse that some are citing as factual or that he knew of repeated abuse and apparently did not give a da#m, those allegations were made by people who seem to have had issues with him, some kind of custody and or child support battle back when their grandkids were younger. They may be bitter and I have seen nothing yet that shows they were so concerned that they reported this abuse. They may also simply be as angry as others here and wanting to vilify BL because his decisions led to the baby being placed in a situation ending in her torture and death. So, with that emotion and their past dealings in mind, I can't rely on their statements.
What I did hear is that BL and/or Carey say is that he or she saw ONE cigarette burn on the child and that it was claimed she "backed up into the cigarette" and that Shaniya had nothing much to add about what happened. If she was small or just being her apparently ususal, cheery self just wanting to play and distracted by whatever she was doing after she got home, I can easily see that being the case. If she ignored their question or didn't say much about what happened, they may have assumed it was caused exactly as AD or whomever, said it did.
It can happen. I have been around careless smokers and have actually witnessed kids, dogs or adults walking into a cigarette but if it was a deep, perfectly round burn, alarm bells should have gone off because usually someone who runs into a lit butt, will jerk their body part a way very fast. Also, people who purposefully burn kids always make that excuse. It seems to me that alarm bells did not go off for either BL or Carey, though, so I guess they bought the excuse for some reason.
As far as his so-called friends stating he is fully responsible for what happened, knew better, knew about the conditions, etc., that he is not a good parent or great guy, why then were they his friends? I have ended friendships when I discovered such traits in my friends. I can't abide by people who don't put their children first and I can't be friends with people who neglect their kids, willfully or not.
Also, has it been confirmed that they really were/are his friends? Do we know for a fact their identities and whether they actually had a close relationship with BL? Where did this info come from? A blog?
Bottom line, BL made some huge mistakes that he will sadly regret his entire life. I can't imagine the level of guilt he must feel. The what ifs that we all feel when there is an accident or illness that results in a death of a loved one must be intense for him. I think the only thing getting him through is grasping on to faith that God will get him through, will hold him up, will take care of his baby and that he will see her again in the eternal hereafter. Thank goodness he has that to cling to.
JMO.

I do not think he is unfeeling. I would just call him "Not Dealing" many people can function at work but not when it comes to family, and let everyone else do the functioning, they just hand over a check, if they have a good job.

I do get that he is not operating with the head on his shoulders....
I also get that he is interwoven in a clan that is not good for all concerned.
Other wise he would not be calling the conception a one night stand, he is definitely evasive, and IMO if we open up the closet, skeletons would fall out. He hangs with questionable circles. JMHO - But I'd bet on it.

 

[panthera]

Since she is pregant and apparently still doing drugs, could she be charged with anything for endagering the unborn baby?

According to Coe, she's about 2 months pregnant, and since she's in jail it's not likely still using, even if that report is true that she was prior to being arrested. A lot of people use drugs, alcohol, tobacco, before finding out they're pregnant when they're already that far along. So I'd guess no charges will be brought. MOO

 

[Patty G]

Since she is pregant and apparently still doing drugs, could she be charged with anything for endagering the unborn baby?

It would have to be proven IF she is on drugs while pregnant. I don't know if we will actually ever know the outcome of the drug tests that may or may not have been done at the jail.

 

[karen7868]

He said contractor, and maybe at the end of all this he will want to go back to work.
I am certain that IF he said to much and his employer got wind of it he would be canned, and mainly because the company does not need bad press.
they did nothing and need not get involved. If he says too much we can figure it all out contractor is just fine.It covers enough....
The man will have to get back to work one of these days.

I'm not sure, but I have googled so much and have kept coming up with BL was actually returning from Portland, OR instead of UT as originally reported. Maybe to protect his employer?

I looked at his FB and there is a lady with intials SS from PO. I know his "friend" on the other board said he is indeed engaged and they work together.

Does anyone else think she looks like the woman that was standing by his side in the press conference pic and vigil?

 

[gitana1]

We do not know the facts behind the three custody cases and they took years for some reason.

I can tell you right now BL would have won custody no doubt about it in my mind.
Shaniya lived with him the majority of her life and that is huge in our court system. There is no court in this world that would have taken that baby away from what she was used to and put her in a home that has had less then stellar performance. They will not change custody arrangements verbal or court ordered. It would take an act of god for the court to change it.

AD could not hold a steady job or a home for that matter and it all comes into play once the Judge steps in...
JMO ....

I think BL would have won custody as well. But he may not have knonw that. Many dads think moms have all the rights. It can be expensive to battle custody as well.
I don't know the circumstances either surrounding his older kids. What I gather is that he went through a horrific tragedy with the murder of his wife and may have been not dealing with that well and left the kids with the grandparents as he tried to get his head straight. Also, he may have had a job that kept him traveling, or did not have much money to provide for them on a fullt-ime basis and he was much younger then, than now. As a family law attorney with a lot of experience with probate guardianships of minor children, I can see why the grandparents could have been awarded a guardianship.
But, I'm just speculating. I really don't know.

 

[not_my_kids]

One night stands don't always mean that they only knew each other for the one night. I have had one night stands. One with my best friends cousin...who I saw about three days a week.
We hooked up once and that was the end of it. However, we still saw each other on a fairly regularly basis. Just not in the same capacity, and there was never a relationship. That tends to happen with people that close their world to only include a small circle of people, which can be typical with those in the drug scene, which we know at least AD was involved.
(Before you judge my morality, remember that i was addicted to drugs and in that lifestyle comes bad judgement on many other matters, including partners. I provide this simply to prove that different people have different definitions of one night stand. I do not have the same set of moral standards now as I did during my addiction.)

 

[lbminnesota]

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Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel
HLN is reporting DCFS did investigat both Shaniya and her brother at the mothers home.

Rut Ro! I think I now understand the reason that BL needs an attorney! BINGO!

_________________________________
They meant AD's other child living with her that lives with her...7 year old.

Oh Boy...Not sure if an entertainment lawyer is the route I'd take.

 

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But, if a one night stand results in a pregnancy, I think it's safe to say the contact would continue and possible other sexual encounters could ensue.
Sometimes one night stands, pregnancy or not, can eveolve into soemthing different. That's how my friend got married to her husband. They now have three kids and live in NZ, married for 18 years!

They apparently exchanged numbers...And called each other.
So it was not a one night stand it was only Sex on the first night.... Big difference. I think...
Seems most one night stand DO NOT do that 6 out of 6 that I spoke with tonight did not.

 

[Patty G]

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Originally Posted by Dr.Fessel
HLN is reporting DCFS did investigat both Shaniya and her brother at the mothers home.

Rut Ro! I think I now understand the reason that BL needs an attorney! BINGO!

_________________________________
They meant AD's other child living with her that lives with her...7 year old.

HLN is not always a good source of information. They seem to combine a little of this and a little of that in order to make it all fit!

 

[gitana1]

We know dates; everything else is murky.

You got that right. In fact, even the dates are kind of murky!

 

[JustJax]

One of his children said she wasn't supposed to be over there.

Brought over from previous thread. In the interview with Brad's friend, Brad is the one that stated "I know she's not supposed to go there, but AD needs to learn how to be a mom."

That was his daughter Cheyene from his murdered ex that is living with his former inlaws. It has been reported that BL gave her the boot. Her brother Byron who has the same Mom has stated quite the opposite...no knowledge of any bad stuff going on over there. Don't have the linky handy but it is from the interview on Nancy Grace where BL came up from behind him and hugged and kissed him on the head.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I hear you but I can't agree that "we know" he talked to some people about giving Shaniya to AD.
He could have discussed letting AD resume visitation. He could have discussed allowing her to extend her visit for a much longer period. He could have discussed allowing her They could be lying. The people quoted had some legal difficulties, reportedly, with BL, or some bad blood may have existed between them. So why would he be having such conversation with them about a child unrelated to them?
We know, apparently, what THEY reported, but not that what they reported is true or factual.
I'm trying hard to sift through what has been determined to be a known fact and what has been simply stated by various people. I'm just trying to be clear, here.

I don't see any signs of resentment or bad blood from the two families that reported those conversations.

The one family is just taking care of BL's daugter and I don't think they have an axe to grind. The other family were the winners in a custody battle and get child support from BL. They have 3 great kids from the deal. I don't think they would say something not true about the dad of those kids to the newspapers, I am sure the whole family knew the situation.

 

[gitana1]

Oh Boy...Not sure if an entertainment lawyer is the route I'd take.

Who is hiring an ET lawyer?

 

[JustJax]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/408/story/1060102.html

Bounced between homes

Shaniya has bounced between homes since birth, shared between a mother and a father who conceived her during a chance encounter one night. Carey Lockhart had been the girl's primary guardian because her father, Bradley Lockhart, worked long stretches as a building contractor at out-of-state jobs.

This sounds like he was gone for months at a time, imo.

Aunt Carey said she raised Shaniya when she was not with her father.
It is sad, but not uncommon for children of a broken family to be "bounced between homes" of their parents. Wonderful Shaniya had her Auntie to show her how to tie her shoes and color inside the lines.....

 

[alwaysonmymind]

A week after discovering the body of 5-year-old Shaniya Davis, police say they are still following multiple leads in the case.

Fayetteville Police Chief Tom Bergamine said Tuesday that tips continue to come in anonymously to the task force assigned to the case.

"There are a plethora of leads that we're following up on," Bergamine said.

About 20 people are assigned to the task force, Bergamine said. They are working hand and glove with the District Attorney's Office.

When asked if there were any new suspects in the case, Bergamine said several teams continue to work leads every day, and the case is ongoing.

On Tuesday, Shaniya's mother, Antoinette Davis, was transferred to the North Carolina Correctional Center for Women in Raleigh for safekeeping.

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/24/955235

 

[Dr.Fessel]

HLN is not always a good source of information. They seem to combine a little of this and a little of that in order to make it all fit!

I agree and they never used alleged so I thought they might feel safe from a lawsuit with some information we do not know.

 

[Patty G]

But, if a one night stand results in a pregnancy, I think it's safe to say the contact would continue and possible other sexual encounters could ensue.
Sometimes one night stands, pregnancy or not, can eveolve into soemthing different. That's how my friend got married to her husband. They now have three kids and live in NZ, married for 18 years!

BL was very adamant in stating "one night stand". IMO, it was very odd to refer to the mother of their daughter, to the public, as a "one night stand". :crazy: