NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Fayetteville, 10 Nov 2009 - Allegedly sold by mother #26

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I'll have to look up that video again, I thought he was speaking as to why BL gave AD a chance. When he said everybody deserves a second chance. Felons even deserve a second chance.
That's what I remember, but I will look up the video.


My point in my post was you can't judge someone by their criminal history all the time.This case has taught me that a mother with a clean record can sell her child into prostitution and hand her off to a murderer.
That was my point.

Even the worst Criminal does not get caught until he does.That may mean years
of criminal behaviour before a record shows up. So you are right in degrees.

But they knew enough to keep that baby out of there. A good place it sure was NOT. :no:

 

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They as in the children who lived with others?
So Byron and Cheyanne knew? Why didn't they say anything?
Why didn't the people who "wanted" to take Shaniya to raise her because they knew she was in a bad situation say anything?
If everybody knew and did nothing, why are we only blameing BL?

I would have to go back and review.
Shaniya was going to go I think with the Colemans, but I am not 100% it was the Colemans,
but she was to go with a family and on the last minute BL changed his mind.
WHY he changed his mind ??? I have no idea....

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I would have to go back and review.
Shaniya was going to go I think with the Colemans, but I am not 100% it was the Colemans,
but she was to go with a family and on the last minute BL changed his mind.
WHY he changed his mind ??? I have no idea....

If this information is coming from the Colemans I question it.
Where were the phone calls from the Colemans if they knew she was not in a good situation?
The Colemans had a very long drawn out court case with BL IIRC.
I'm sure their feelings for him are not the best. IMO their "facts" may be
biased.

That's what I was referring to when I said some people who have come forth after the fact, may have an "axe to grind" with BL.

 

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If this information is coming from the Colemans I question it.
Where were the phone calls from the Colemans if they knew she was not in a good situation?
The Colemans had a very long drawn out court case with BL IIRC.
I'm sure their feelings for him are not the best. IMO their "facts" may be
biased.

That's what I was referring to when I said some people who have come forth after the fact, may have an "axe to grind" with BL.

Why would anyone take him to court to take the kids??? Because Thank God they care, no other reason.
NOR could they have gotten them if the judge did not see them more fit to raise kids.
I am glad they won the case, those kids are in a far better situation then poor Shaniya was in.
Early on I too was concerned about them not saying anything positive, but with time by listening to him
I am glad they were straight forward. He did not tell the exact same story twice.

And yes they have a right to see him as "unfit to raise kids"... "axe to grind" if they did win the case.
They sure are providing a better home then he did.

FOUND IT: It was not the Coleman's it was Tim Allan.

Tim Allen has been caring for Lockhart's 17-year-old daughter, Cheyenne, since July. Cheyenne lives with Allen and his daughters, with whom she attends Pine Forest High School. Allen said Lockhart agreed Oct. 1 to let Shaniya stay with his family at night while Lockhart was gone and for her to spend the days at a day care run by Allen's mother. A day later, Allen said, Lockhart told him he had changed his mind.
"He said he knew she wasn't supposed to be over there, but he wanted to give her biological mother a chance," Allen said. On Oct. 3, Lockhart left town, Allen said, returning the day Shaniya went missing.

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953110

WHY DID HE SUDDENLY CHANGE HIS MIND????? He knew she was not supposed to be over there.
And he knew they took good care of his other daughter. The Allan's did not have sons, and it may have been an ideal location for a girl who seemed to be afraid of men (red flag- she only warmed up to women)
I sure do hope that most people do not buy anything other then THIS WAS Criminal Negligence,
a parents job is to make sure a child in in good care.

Maybe the Allan's could not go to authorities about Shaniya, maybe what they knew was not enough proof.
BUT WANTING TO TAKE HER is definitely caring. It just would have cost BL more money JMO.

I think the reason authorities may not look far closer is they need a face to go with "Child Trafficking"
and he may be that face, and how undeserving for him to become the poster boy.
But they may be looking far closer...lets hope so.

MOO

 

[kiki the parrot]

ITA w LCoastMom. I'm weary of the mantra, "how could he (or she) have known." As pointed out by many (including myself) there were enough obvious, readily VISIBLE reasons for concern and alarm--even had one never bothered to verify that the mother had "turned around her life" as claimed, or run background checks eg on her live-in or associates etc.

Beginning w the AREA itself--a dangerous, crime infested one notorious for drugs in which even grown adults say they would feel unsafe and be wary of going near. From everything we've seen and has been reported the TRAILER and living conditions themselves were nasty and filthy. One need only drive up and get as close as the door before most REASONABLE RESPONSIBLE people would have recoiled and turned on their heel. How about the "MOTHER," whom CDL is quoted as saying she "didnt trust as she neglects her children."

I've said this (and will keep on saying it til I'm blue in the face), abuse or malice isn't even required anyway... NEGLECT alone can be sufficient (a child inadequately supervised eg) of which CDL readily admits she had previous knowledge. Must we know the extreme severity of repercussions in this case to have reservations re leaving a helpless child under such circumstances? Must we predict eg that the child will be RAPED and MURDERED for our better judgment or protective instincts to kick in? Omg is dumping a child, w/out the slightest street smarts even, w/in a high-crime and drug infested area, in rank living conditions, under watch of someone in whom we lack confidence to care and supervise their children properly, not itself SUFFICIENT??? Somebody please HELP ME HERE.
:banghead:
I'm weary of the handwringing and imploring, "What were they to do, me oh my, woe is them, w/e were they to do" as if--even then, in the absence of any precaution or preventative measures--they found themselves "helpless and powerless" w no other possible options :boohoo: Was BL being held hostage in an underground bunker out of state at gunpoint? Were neither given access to phones?? Bound and gagged??? No options?? Huh... turning on your heel, or flying back, sounds like a good start... placing an immediate welfare call to DFS and requesting an emergency court injunction are a couple others that spring to mind. Seems to me what they were to DO is only what any reasonable, responsible parent (or caregiver) is expected to DO in their place.

So "AD and MAM killed this child." Hmm, interesting. AD did not put a hand on her daughter afaik, never suffocated, nor physically strangled the life from poor Shaniya either. No. She delivered her daughter into the hands of someone she did not know to be safe or trustworthy. And by extension this applies to Shaniya's father, and CDL. The point is not that they "did not know" Shaniya would be neglected (a concern which admittedly pre-existed), inadequately attended, abused or otherwise suffer in their absence w that druggy "mom" in that squalid trailer in that crime infested location. Rather, they had no earthly reason to believe--to be satisfied or to trust--she would not. NONE.

And not every single person who voices concern or has an unfavorable opinion of BL as a father "has an axe to grind." I don't pick posts apart which fairly and accurately represent the truth. It wasn't UP to "other people" (other relatives, ex girlfriends or w/e else BL pawned off Shaniya onto) to stay aware and informed of Shaniya's whereabouts, examine w/e environments into which her dad saw fit to place her, nor to run background checks on other occupants, eg, of another neglectful parent's dwelling; anymore than it was UP to others to raise BL's daughter. Those tasks rightfully remain the parent's responsibility.

arrot:

 

[everyoneneedsavoice]

LCoastMom & Logical Mind

I think this case with Shaniya shined a light on the torment of Child Trafficking. I don't think that
BL has anything to offer Child Trafficking at all accept that he was Shanaiya's father.

There was a definite destine with the brother and sister.
they could barely look at each other. To me it felt as if she HAD to support his butt or the blame would
end up in his ball park.

I somehow remember that she is a single parent and unemployed....I wonder if it became an issue and
BL thought that AD can get welfare - just guessing here, Maybe he is helping sis financially.
Another possibility that I had not voice yet is: CDL has a son; what IF Shaniya was trying to give him
B job?What if Shaniya has been abused at AD before, and thought she was being a good girl by trying to give
CDLs son a B Job???? This could have created another situation for CDL that she did not know how to
deal with...This may be how she knew that AD was not a good place for the child. Just saying.....
CDL knew that sending her there was not good, she did not think AD was a good mom, and that is all
she said. BUT if she knew that much she knew much, much more.....
Actually IMHO She knew enough to make a difference.

His 20 year old son knew MAM was a felon...and said even a felon deserves a chance....
IMHO there is something really wrong with this picture. They all knew what was going on there.

I am thrilled his kids are taken care of by other family members, who wanted to take Shaniya too
cant imagine why he would not allow it? other then he would have to give them more money and maybe
he resented that? Again I am just guessing, because it makes no sense not to let the good people have
her, and instead he gave the poor baby to a low life junkie.

BBM

IMO, if she believed Shaniya was being abused by AD or BL, then she should have acted on behalf of Shaniya; as opposed to being worried about "placing blame".

I can't begin to fathom how anyone could look at the facts that we know and speculate such a thing as...Shaniya trying to give CDL's son a Bjob. IMO, CDL's son should be left out of this...completely! But, in response to your "speculations"...I think this statement by CDL alone is enough to disprove that theory... (snipped from article) "Antoinette and I never really got along because of the way that she neglected her children,"
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/crimesider/entry5695400.shtml


Where was it ever stated that CDL, BL, BC (BL's son), or CL (BL's daughter) for that matter, knew that Shaniya was around MAM? I missed that somewhere? I recall BL's son's statement about giving a felon another chance (paraphrased) but can't seem to locate any articles / videos that say that all of them knew Shaniya was going to be around MAM or "a felon"...as it stands, AD has no felony record, she was living with sister (BD) and mom who also have no felony record that I recall...oh and CC (BD's boyfriend) didn't live their...to my recollection. I might be wrong...wouldn't be the first time...LOL...so can you link me to where you got this information that "they all knew what was going on"...in regards to BC's comment re: MAM being a convicted felon.

BL was already paying the coleman's child support and paying "someone" child support for Shaniya, so it's not like he would've been paying "out" more money. (snipped from article) Before Shaniya's death, Lockhart was paying child support on three children, including Shaniya and two of the children from his marriage. http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953110

IMO, if other family members really thought Shaniya was in harms way and/or wanted to keep her and / or knew of AD's surroundings / lifestyle...then why didn't they step up and fight for her. The colemans certainly weren't afraid to use the legal system, imo, as supported by this article: http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953110; which says, The Colemans and Brad Lockhart have been on opposing sides in several lawsuits in recent years, most of which were dismissed" Also says, "I would have kept Shaniya, but he never asked me," Phyllis Coleman said. "After all, I kept his (other) three children.''
So you know someone is not safe but you wait for someone to ask you keep her? That's why, IMO, the coleman's have an axe to grind with BL...as opposed to a sincere concern for Shaniya's "safety".

 

[everyoneneedsavoice]

I'll have to look up that video again, I thought he was speaking as to why BL gave AD a chance. When he said everybody deserves a second chance. Felons even deserve a second chance.
That's what I remember, but I will look up the video.


My point in my post was you can't judge someone by their criminal history all the time.
This case has taught me that a mother with a clean record can sell her child into prostitution and hand her off to a murderer.
That was my point.

Yes, Kimberly you are correct. According to the transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/17/ng.01.html

COLEMAN: I recently moved to Charlotte. But Shaniya was mostly -- my aunt took good care of her as well as my father. The majority of time she was with my father or with my aunt. Just with my aunt spending time and with my father, you know, raising her.

And my father recently gave her -- Antoinette a chance to -- give the mother a second chance to raise her daughter. I mean, because everybody deserves a second chance. Just like a convicted felon, I mean, he deserves a second chance because he could have changed. You never know.

GRACE: Did anybody in your side of the family know that drugs were being sold out of that home?

COLEMAN: No, not that I`m aware of.

GRACE: That was my understanding. That nobody on the dad`s side knew that that was going on in the home.

COLEMAN: No, we didn`t have no clue at all, because if we did, we would never let Shaniya go to that type of environment.


And that was before BL walked outside during the interview...

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Thanks.

I thought I remembered it right, but I was at work and couldn't dig much for the video/transcript.
So, he was speaking of AD and gave an example of a convicted felon deserving a second chance.

 

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Yes, Kimberly you are correct. According to the transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/17/ng.01.html

COLEMAN: I recently moved to Charlotte. But Shaniya was mostly -- my aunt took good care of her as well as my father. The majority of time she was with my father or with my aunt. Just with my aunt spending time and with my father, you know, raising her.

And my father recently gave her -- Antoinette a chance to -- give the mother a second chance to raise her daughter. I mean, because everybody deserves a second chance. Just like a convicted felon, I mean, he deserves a second chance because he could have changed. You never know.

GRACE: Did anybody in your side of the family know that drugs were being sold out of that home?

COLEMAN: No, not that I`m aware of.

GRACE: That was my understanding. That nobody on the dad`s side knew that that was going on in the home.

COLEMAN: No, we didn`t have no clue at all, because if we did, we would never let Shaniya go to that type of environment.


And that was before BL walked outside during the interview...

I am going to try to find the interview with the son, not with Coleman. but I am going out for a while...Be back.

 

[everyoneneedsavoice]

I am going to try to find the interview with the son, not with Coleman. but I am going out for a while...Be back.

Thanks...maybe I'm losing my mind because I don't recall an interview with another son and didn't know there was another son (well, old enough to talk / interview) besides BC...who is a Coleman. IIRC the BL's FIL and his oldest son are both "BC's???

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Thanks...maybe I'm losing my mind because I don't recall an interview with another son and didn't know there was another son (well, old enough to talk / interview) besides BC...who is a Coleman. IIRC the BL's FIL and his oldest son are both "BC's???

That transcript from Nancy Grace is from the interview with the son.
I've seen his name B Coleman and I've also seen it B Lockhart.
????

But, the interview was with the son.

 

[LogicalMinds]

I never said that stuff about Shaynia and CLD's son etc...I don't think that at all

I do think that somehow BL decided it was time for AD to "do her share"...for whatever selfish reasons of his own...
maybe money was tight (maybe lost money in stocks/etc?) Maybe the new GF

the fact is that he somehow decided this was the way to go

for those who are willing to "give him a break">> would YOU wish to go to Sleepy Hollow for a month?? Hang out with the dealers and the working girls??

From day one..in the local "forums" of the papers/tv stations....I have seen "locals" post about Sleepy Hollow...how bad it was....drugs and prostitution

we have seen that crummy trailer....with 2 adult male felons living in it

if BL or CDL had gone there they would have seen the mess...seen the 2 goons hanging around..
and even smelled the s//t from the backed up plumbing

BL and CDL have never really said when Shaynia was taken there...they have given different dates

no "journalists" ever asked them the "hard questions"

did she have a cell phone?
did you call her?
when did you take here there?
why? how many times had she been there before?
did you walk inside the trailer?
how/why did you decide "it was time for AD to be a mother"?
who watched Shaynia before..who did BL pay child support to ? when? how much?
How did Shaynia feel about going there??
what about her school? did anyone find out if she was going to school??
how much of her clothing was packed along with her?

would YOU want to spend a month at Sleepy Hollow??

would CLD and her kids and BL move in there for a month?


I would love to see him answer those questions

and IF he ever goes out giving speeches on "child trafficing" I will be happy to attend if he comes down here and I will be happy to ask those very questions right in his face


JMO BL has decided to lay low..which is his best move cause as time goes on more people like me will ask those questions....yes, he is a "grieving parent" but he brought this upon himself and sadly sadly put Shaynia in this dangerous horrible positiion

No one could "expect" her to be sold, raped and murdered...but really what "good" did he expect to come from leaving her there??

 

[everyoneneedsavoice]

snipped...

I never said that stuff about Shaynia and CLD's son etc...I don't think that at all

Logical Minds and LCoast...my apologies...I just went back and re-read my post...your names were "bolded" by the poster that I was quoting...not by me.

I did not mean to imply that either of you felt that way...I will go back and try to change the "bold" from the post I quoted...not sure if I can or not...but wanted to clarify that.

eta: I was able to remove the "bold" of names from the post I quoted...

 

[everyoneneedsavoice]

That transcript from Nancy Grace is from the interview with the son.
I've seen his name B Coleman and I've also seen it B Lockhart.
????

But, the interview was with the son.

ITA...seen it both ways also, but yes, the interview I provided the links for was the son's interview.

 

[Ransom]

ITA...seen it both ways also, but yes, the interview I provided the links for was the son's interview.

Byron "Lockhart" Coleman III is the son of BL and his deceased wife, Vicki. This is the young man that we all saw on the NG show. How his name was changed is unknown to me. This young man also has a record.

Byron Coleman, Jr. died on the USS Roosevelt by a blast from an aircraft engine (1990/1991). This is BL brother-in-law and the son of Byron Coleman, Sr.

Byron Coleman, Sr. is BL's father-in-law and the dad of Vicki who was killed in a home invasion (1998??). His only son, Byron Coleman, Jr. died. See above.

Hope this helps!!!

 

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BBM

IMO, if she believed Shaniya was being abused by AD or BL, then she should have acted on behalf of Shaniya; as opposed to being worried about "placing blame".

I can't begin to fathom how anyone could look at the facts that we know and speculate such a thing as...Shaniya trying to give CDL's son a Bjob. IMO, CDL's son should be left out of this...completely! But, in response to your "speculations"...I think this statement by CDL alone is enough to disprove that theory... (snipped from article) "Antoinette and I never really got along because of the way that she neglected her children,"
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/crimesider/entry5695400.shtml


Where was it ever stated that CDL, BL, BC (BL's son), or CL (BL's daughter) for that matter, knew that Shaniya was around MAM? I missed that somewhere? I recall BL's son's statement about giving a felon another chance (paraphrased) but can't seem to locate any articles / videos that say that all of them knew Shaniya was going to be around MAM or "a felon"...as it stands, AD has no felony record, she was living with sister (BD) and mom who also have no felony record that I recall...oh and CC (BD's boyfriend) didn't live their...to my recollection. I might be wrong...wouldn't be the first time...LOL...so can you link me to where you got this information that "they all knew what was going on"...in regards to BC's comment re: MAM being a convicted felon.

BL was already paying the coleman's child support and paying "someone" child support for Shaniya, so it's not like he would've been paying "out" more money. (snipped from article) Before Shaniya's death, Lockhart was paying child support on three children, including Shaniya and two of the children from his marriage. http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953110

IMO, if other family members really thought Shaniya was in harms way and/or wanted to keep her and / or knew of AD's surroundings / lifestyle...then why didn't they step up and fight for her. The colemans certainly weren't afraid to use the legal system, imo, as supported by this article: http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/11/18/953110; which says, The Colemans and Brad Lockhart have been on opposing sides in several lawsuits in recent years, most of which were dismissed" Also says, "I would have kept Shaniya, but he never asked me," Phyllis Coleman said. "After all, I kept his (other) three children.''
So you know someone is not safe but you wait for someone to ask you keep her? That's why, IMO, the coleman's have an axe to grind with BL...as opposed to a sincere concern for Shaniya's "safety".

There is a post where I found that it was Allen who offered and not the colemans and I made that correction. YES they offered to take Shaniya and BL changed his mind.
only a couple of posts up...
I do speculate some of these things because I am looking at the facts and they do not ad up. Girls are not afraid of men unless there is a reason. :no: they do not fear men when their experiences are normal.
I have also listened to this brother sister team and they are not in alignment. I do not buy their act at all.

I will continue to look for Byron's interview and I remember his reference about MAM.

It is OK with me if you give BL a pass...I do not.

 

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I never said that stuff about Shaynia and CLD's son etc...I don't think that at all.

<<<SNIP>>>LM sorry I did snip your post.
BBM
I asked it as a hypothetical...because I know from women who were abused as children by men, they were told that was being a good girl, so sometimes playing with the boys they used to run around the house and get all the young boys thinking they were playing...till a female adult would stop her/them and punish her/them...That is a common story by abused women.

I do not know why Tom Allen suddenly came into the picture to offer his home for Shaniya, What happened that CDL could not keep her???
Why did Byron say his aunt would keep her during the day, but his dad really raised her, shed be with him.

ALL of this WHY she could not stay at Aunt CDL made me question it.
I still question it, I have not given up my questions because there have been no answers yet that fit anything.

 

[Ransom]

There is a post where I found that it was Allen who offered and not the colemans and I made that correction. YES they offered to take Shaniya and BL changed his mind.
only a couple of posts up...
I do speculate some of these things because I am looking at the facts and they do not ad up. Girls are not afraid of men unless there is a reason. :no: they do not fear men when their experiences are normal.
I have also listened to this brother sister team and they are not in alignment. I do not buy their act at all.

I will continue to look for Byron's interview and I remember his reference about MAM.

It is OK with me if you give BL a pass...I do not.

BBM
I told my daughter: "if you ever find yourself lost, go find a mommy to help you". Did that tell her to fear men? I don't know? My daughter was never lost, but I did tell her to go to a woman/mommy and not some man. I guess that is my bad? I also told my daughter to never let any man touch you where in areas that your bathing suit covers. IF that happens, then tell me. Never happened, but I did tell her that. My bad again?

I'm not giving anyone a pass. I want AD and MAM prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law in NC. JMO and I think you do too?

Night folks. Sleep well and I hope we'll learn more very soon about this case.

 

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BBM
I told my daughter: "if you ever find yourself lost, go find a mommy to help you". Did that tell her to fear men? I don't know? My daughter was never lost, but I did tell her to go to a woman/mommy and not some man. I guess that is my bad? I also told my daughter to never let any man touch you where in areas that your bathing suit covers. IF that happens, then tell me. Never happened, but I did tell her that. My bad again?

I'm not giving anyone a pass. I want AD and MAM prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law in NC. JMO and I think you do too?

Night folks. Sleep well and I hope we'll learn more very soon about this case.

Ransom we all did what you did with your children. I do not compare that, all the little girls I know do not fear men.
that is so very very different then going up to strangers.
I heard what they said clearly....Both father and son made reference to and were very clear that with women Shaniya was very different then with men. She did not go near them much. I do not remember the exact words. But it is a Definite red flag.
I do see it clearly.
It is OK for you to look at it very differently.

 

[songline]

ITA. I'm weary of the mantra, "how could he (or she) have known." As pointed out by many (including myself) there were enough obvious, readily VISIBLE reasons for concern and alarm--even had one never bothered to verify that the mother had "turned around her life" as claimed, or run background checks eg on her live-in or associates etc.

Beginning w the AREA itself--a dangerous, crime infested one notorious for drugs in which even grown adults say they would feel unsafe and be wary of going near. From everything we've seen and has been reported the TRAILER and living conditions themself were nasty and filthy. One need only drive up and get as close as the door before most REASONABLE RESPONSIBLE people would have recoiled and turned on their heel. How about the "MOTHER," whom CDL is quoted as saying she "didnt trust as she neglects her children."

I've said this (and will keep on saying it til I'm blue in the face), abuse or malice isn't even required anyway... NEGLECT alone can be sufficient (a child inadequately supervised eg) of which CDL readily admits she had previous knowledge. Must we know the extreme severity of repercussions in this case to get the slightest CLUE or to have reservations re leaving a helpless child under such circumstances? Must we predict eg that the child will be RAPED and MURDERED for our better judgment or protective instincts to kick in? Omg is dumping a child, w/out the slightest street smarts even, w/in a high-crime and drug infested area, in rank living conditions, under watch of someone in whom we lack confidence to care and supervise their children properly, not in and of itself SUFFICIENT??? Somebody please HELP ME HERE.
:banghead:
I am weary of the handwringing and imploring, "What were they to do, my oh my, woe is them, w/e were they to do..." as if--even then, in the absence of any precaution or preventative measures they found themselves in a "helpless, powerless" position w no other possible options :boohoo: Was BL being held hostage in an underground bunker out of state at gunpoint? Were neither given access to telephones?? Bound and gagged??? No options?? Huh... turning on your heel, or flying back, sounds like a good start... placing an immediate welfare call to DFS and requesting an emergency court injunction are a couple of others that spring to mind. Seems to me what they were to DO is only what any REASONABLE and RESPONSIBLE parent (or caregiver) is expected to DO in their place.

So "AD and MAM killed this child." Hmm, interesting. AD did not put a hand on her daughter afaik, never suffocated, nor physically strangled the life from poor Shaniya either. No. She delivered her daughter into the hands of someone she did not know to be safe or trustworthy. And by extension this applies to Shaniya's father, and CDL. The point is not that they "did not know" Shaniya would be neglected (a concern which admittedly pre-existed), inadequately attended, abused or otherwise suffer in their absence w that druggy "mom" in that squalid trailer in that crime infested location. Rather, they had no earthly reason to believe--to be satisfied or to trust--she would not. NONE.

And not every single person who voices concern or has an unfavorable opinion of BL as a father "has an axe to grind." I don't pick posts apart which fairly and accurately represent the truth. It wasn't UP to "other people" (other relatives, ex girlfriends or w/e else BL pawned off Shaniya onto) to stay aware and informed of Shaniya's whereabouts, examine w/e environments into which her dad saw fit to place her, nor to run background checks on other occupants, eg, of another neglectful parent's dwelling; anymore than it was UP to others to raise BL's daughter. Those tasks rightfully remain the parent's responsibility.

arrot:

AWSOME POST :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I wish you were a lawyer I would like you to represent Shaniya.