NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Fayetteville, 10 Nov 2009 - Allegedly sold by mother #26

[Ransom]

So many people left Shaniya down.
It angers me that the people who are suppose to love and protect her
just threw her away.........period!
BL,aunt,momster and murderer! all guilty as far as I'm concerned.......

I do not think her dad (BL) or her aunt (CLD) threw her away. JMO.

We have several weeks to go before MAM comes back to court. In FEB. then AD comes back to court. At least what we know now.

I don't use "cutesy/sicko" nicknames for people. Just not my thing.

Justice for Shaniya is coming. IMO.

 

[Kissntellmefool]

Just putting my two cents in just as everyone else has. Point being, I hope MAM and AD receive the death penalty for what they did to Shaniya. I am anxiously awaiting for MAM's next court appearance, as well as AD. Anyone have any news they've found? I just wish we could skip all this technicality and get on with the sentencing. These two hideous monsters do NOT deserve a fair trial...sometimes I hate the justice system in this country.

 

[LadyL]

she is always smiling down at us

 

[lemonmoussetart]

GESHHHH :waitasec:

since my last post you all disappeared?
I had no idea it would have this effect?

Songline, am answering to this post and not the just last w/tube horrific facts. I am Catholic. After all this came out I left the Church for 5 years. Until they made those accountable (still pitiful) I really could no longer attend. All I knew when it started was not my priest, not my priest. And my dear Father Frank never had anyone pointing at him. It made me ashamed of my Church, ashamed to the point of wanting them arrested to ALL higher who knew of such persons. I was, and remain, ashamed. (my daughter was an alter server) Had to get over that it what not ME who was to blame. But, can you actually believe in a Church who would know, and then cover for them (them meaning the worst of the freakin' pedophiles)? I still live with this shame in my heart.

Tried other churches, went church shopping if you will. Went back to my parish, and my beloved priest who never had any finger, or rumor, or anything.
Do I feel about my Church the way I used to? that would be a big NO. But slowly, watching, and with faith I believe in the message. Am still careful about the messengers.

 

[songline]

Songline, am answering to this post and not the just last w/tube horrific facts. I am Catholic. After all this came out I left the Church for 5 years. Until they made those accountable (still pitiful) I really could no longer attend. All I knew when it started was not my priest, not my priest. And my dear Father Frank never had anyone pointing at him. It made me ashamed of my Church, ashamed to the point of wanting them arrested to ALL higher who knew of such persons. I was, and remain, ashamed. (my daughter was an alter server) Had to get over that it what not ME who was to blame. But, can you actually believe in a Church who would know, and then cover for them (them meaning the worst of the freakin' pedophiles)? I still live with this shame in my heart.

Tried other churches, went church shopping if you will. Went back to my parish, and my beloved priest who never had any finger, or rumor, or anything.
Do I feel about my Church the way I used to? that would be a big NO. But slowly, watching, and with faith I believe in the message. Am still careful about the messengers.

ME too, have changed from that innocent totally believing into believing just in GOD.
But let me take this opportunity to say it exists in all religions not only yours. It exists in the highest level of Government too.
That is why I think that the topic of child trafficking is a hard one to clean up.

I do not believe in our or any Government, and I sure do not believe in any organized religion any more. But I do believe in God.
When it comes to a case like shaniya and trafficking I get very angry, because I wish I could believe that they would want our kids safe, but I don't...

 

[songline]

I do not think her dad (BL) or her aunt (CLD) threw her away. JMO.

We have several weeks to go before MAM comes back to court. In FEB. then AD comes back to court. At least what we know now.

I don't use "cutesy/sicko" nicknames for people. Just not my thing.

Justice for Shaniya is coming. IMO.

And I don't think that her Dad or her Aunt were acting as responsible adults.
The area where AD lived was publicly known for exactly what it is.
I am sure Dad and Aunty did not dream of anything this bad happening to Shaniya.
But they knew AD and the hell hole she lived in.

 

[Oriah]

I want something positive to be found in this.
I want child protection agencies that do their jobs.
I want prosecutors that don't worry about the election, only the results.
I want child prostitution to be an offense that lands you in prison for the rest of your life, no ifs and or buts.
I want a law written in Shaniya's name, that does some good.
I want hotels to start asking for birth certificates on minor children.
I want the missing located forum to never have another case with the little maroon Found Deceased tag.
And I want every single parent, step parent and care giver in this country to see that video of MAM carrying her into that elevator...and I want them to understand, FULLY understand what was waiting for her when the doors opened.
And I want those parents and care givers to realize that without due diligence, it could be their child next time.

Or is none of that enough?

Bolded by me-

NMK-
I TOTALLY agree... none of it is ever enough. Unfortunately I think birth certificates for children at hotels will never be required due to other laws in place (and pure impossibilty in many cases. For example, it took me years to acquire my own birth certificate because I was adopted.) Ironic that most adults have to provide a drivers license when checking into a hotel, buying a plane ticket etc; but even that is often circumvented depending in the situation.

Perhaps there is another way to stop child trafficking in hotels, airports, train stations etc. Fingerprint analysis? The same way when you enter a bank to make a transaction and are required a thumbprint? Babies (as they are are born) are foot and sometimes fingerprinted. Parents or caregivers could have the right to change who is 'acceptable' to transport a child via that method. If the adult transporting the child were not on the "OK" list....the child could not be transported, checked in, etc. I do realize this would not help in situations (i.e. Shaniya) where parents/caregivers don't appear to care where their child goes. But at the very least, I think most parents giving birth to a child have an idea in mind as to who their safety net is (husband, boyfriend, sister, mother whoever-etc.)
It would also clarify who and when and by whom the child was transported...minus international situations.
Thoughts?
We have the technology. Why not use it?

Thanks,
Oriah

 

[Empty heart]

Nothing new? Every time I go online to find out something ANYTHING new about justice for Shaniya and there is nothing, I start to cry.

Please God don't let this horrible indignation on the spirit and life of that little girl go unanswered!
It breaks my heart.

 

[Empty heart]

I think social services dropped the ball on this one too. To what extent, I have no clue.

I think BL made bad choices. To what extent, I have no clue.

But, I absolutely believe AD and MAM killed this child. I have no doubt about that.

Why because that is what the news and police have said? So if neither of them question BL then all is good? No one gets a pass on this one for me. Dog gone it!
There was a woman who went to the bus stop with her infant and discovered she did not have correct change. She left her baby with a strange man to go home and fetch more money. He killed the baby because he was insane. Now he got convicted but the mother got charged with a crime as well. I am getting very irritated with people not asking some very basic questions of BL like did you go into the house. did you ask who was living in the house
? Did you call and check on your baby. You know very basic (bleeping ) things that people do for their DOG!!!!!

 

[Kimberlyd125]

But he didn't leave her with a stranger. He left her with her mother. There is a difference IMO. She passed her off to a murderer, he didn't.
In the example you gave, a mother left her baby with an insane stranger. You don't see a difference? I do.

The above post you quoted is my opinion.

I have stated my opnion on BL over and over on these threads. I believe he made some poor choices. He will live with that the rest of his life. But, I don't believe he did anything criminal. I think he and Aunt C love Shaniya with all their hearts. I have no doubt that they regret choices.

If info comes out later that says he was aware of more, then I will jump on the ship with the rest of the BL bashers. Just not ready for that now.

There is a reason AD and MAM are in jail. There is a reason BL is not. IMO

 

[songline]

But he didn't leave her with a stranger. He left her with her mother. There is a difference IMO. She passed her off to a murderer, he didn't.
In the example you gave, a mother left her baby with an insane stranger. You don't see a difference? I do.
The above post you quoted is my opinion.

I have stated my opinion on BL over and over on these threads. I believe he made some poor choices. He will live with that the rest of his life. But, I don't believe he did anything criminal. I think he and Aunt C love Shaniya with all their hearts. I have no doubt that they regret choices.

If info comes out later that says he was aware of more, then I will jump on the ship with the rest of the BL bashers. Just not ready for that now.

There is a reason AD and MAM are in jail. There is a reason BL is not. IMO

BBM
I do not see a difference, IMHO Empty Heart gave a great example, because Ad was a known drug addict. In my book that is not a whole lot different then giving your kid to a nut job, junkies would sell their mother for a fix, now that is pretty nuts, and many have killed their own for a fix.

I am sure that BL and CDL do regret the choices they made.
Too little to late is how I see it. I am sure they never dreamed of such consequences. but they should have called morning and night and insisted they talk to Shaniya with each call to be sure that junkie mom has fed her and that she went to school etc....I am allergic to animals, but my brother has them and his pets would never be sent into that area under "NO" circumstances.
In fact I'd be shocked if his new girl friend is still interested in him.

 

[Empty heart]

But he didn't leave her with a stranger. He left her with her mother. There is a difference IMO. She passed her off to a murderer, he didn't.
In the example you gave, a mother left her baby with an insane stranger. You don't see a difference? I do.

The above post you quoted is my opinion.

I have stated my opnion on BL over and over on these threads. I believe he made some poor choices. He will live with that the rest of his life. But, I don't believe he did anything criminal. I think he and Aun

If info comes out later that says he was aware of more, then I will jump on the ship with the rest of the BL bashers. Just not ready for that now.B

You have missed the point of my example. The mother did not know that the man was insane. But he was. Any reasonable person would not leave their infant with a stranger. likewise any reasonable person would not place unsupervised, unmonitored control of baby without first ensuring that the placement would be safe. And to not call and check in.... Just unreal. By your logic AD could use in her defense that she did not know that MAM would harm and kill her daughter... That AD was lied to and she as convinced that MAM was on the up and up but AD was wrong in her judgement do "oh well, sorry".

NO NO NO!

There is a reason AD and MAM are in jail. There is a reason BL is not. IMO[/QUOTE]

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Empty:

I understand your point, but I just don't quite agree on all of it.

I think there will be proof that AD knew what MAM had planned for Shaniya because I think there was proof in that trailer of abuse there. So, I don't think AD could use the "I didn't know" defense. IMO

Again, this is my opinion. I respect yours.

 

[Empty heart]

I disagree with your opinion but it is because your heart is filled with compassion ... Mine? I am just plain pissed off! I still break down about this case. I would cry a river if it could bring that little girl back and undo all the terrible things she experienced here in this world. But I can't do a damn thing. And that is why I am angry. My tears do nothing! I am just so heartbroken and I never laid eyes on this little girl.

 

[Bobbisangel]

In a sense Shaniya was left with a stranger. From what the father said himself Shaniya didn't know her mother that well. It doesn't seem that she spent much time with her if at all. The father's whole purpose, according to him, was leaving Shaniya with the bio mom so that the bio mother could learn how to be a mom. That is just so bizarre to me. Bio mom had a son living with her. If she hadn't learned how to be a mother by then she never will. It wasn't Shaniya's job to teach her bio mom how to be a mother. We are talking about a five yr old. Her job was to have fun and enjoy life.

I think dad met a new woman and he was anxious to get on with his life. For all we know the new woman in his life didn't want to be saddled with small kids. For some reason he wanted to get rid of Shaniya and there was the trashy bio mom living with a felon in a trashy part of town still doing her drugs. Oh well, maybe if Shaniya can teach her how to be a mom she will change her lifestyle. Not dad's problem once Shaniya was packed up and sent off. He didn't check the bio mom out or check her friends or home out because he didn't want to know for positive.

 

[Kissntellmefool]

In a sense Shaniya was left with a stranger. From what the father said himself Shaniya didn't know her mother that well. It doesn't seem that she spent much time with her if at all. The father's whole purpose, according to him, was leaving Shaniya with the bio mom so that the bio mother could learn how to be a mom. That is just so bizarre to me. Bio mom had a son living with her. If she hadn't learned how to be a mother by then she never will. It wasn't Shaniya's job to teach her bio mom how to be a mother. We are talking about a five yr old. Her job was to have fun and enjoy life.

I think dad met a new woman and he was anxious to get on with his life. For all we know the new woman in his life didn't want to be saddled with small kids. For some reason he wanted to get rid of Shaniya and there was the trashy bio mom living with a felon in a trashy part of town still doing her drugs. Oh well, maybe if Shaniya can teach her how to be a mom she will change her lifestyle. Not dad's problem once Shaniya was packed up and sent off. He didn't check the bio mom out or check her friends or home out because he didn't want to know for positive.

I agree. But from my understanding Shaniya was only supposed to stay with her mother for the weekend. I remember in a previous post someone pointing out the aunt had only packed two days worth of clothes on Oct. 9th because Shaniya had been sent to visit her mother on weekends. The aunt expected Shaniya to come home on Sunday. So she had no intentions to pack all Shaniya's belongs and send her off to live with her mother permanently. Then she gets the phone call from AD that she was never going to see Shaniya again. Unfortunately, being only the aunt, CDL had no choice but to wait until BL came back to be able to retrieve her niece. What does anger me is that she should have raised hell to get her. But like I've said, who would have known this would have all come to this? I'm sure she expected Shaniya would be fine and that they would be able to pick her up once BL got home. She probably thought AD was just being a protective mom and not wanting to have her daughter leave her. Oh if we could only turn back the hands of time, I'm sure CDL would do everything over again.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

I disagree with your opinion but it is because your heart is filled with compassion ... Mine? I am just plain pissed off! I still break down about this case. I would cry a river if it could bring that little girl back and undo all the terrible things she experienced here in this world. But I can't do a damn thing. And that is why I am angry. My tears do nothing! I am just so heartbroken and I never laid eyes on this little girl.

BBM

I couldn't agree with you more!!!!

This case has affected me more than any case I've ever followed.
It has been a roller coaster since day one.
I too still have a hard time daily thinking about Shaniya and what she went thru.

I pray about it every day and hope justice is served.

 

[Kissntellmefool]

BBM

I couldn't agree with you more!!!!

This case has affected me more than any case I've ever followed.
It has been a roller coaster since day one.
I too still have a hard time daily thinking about Shaniya and what she went thru.

I pray about it every day and hope justice is served.

Same here. I have never, ever been so touched by a case before. I think about her daily as well and say a prayer for her each night. I am anxious to get MAM's and AD's trial underway so we can finally get something started.

 

[hoppyfrog]

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[LadyL]

there should've been christmas pics of shaniya this year
instead of me reposting other ones ... rip little girl