NC - Shaniya Davis, 5, Fayetteville, 10 Nov 2009 - Allegedly sold by mother #26

[mysticrose]

I wonder if we will see any new charge's for her yet....

 

[kiki the parrot]

The blaming God thing, did he actually say God killed my daughter, or is it his faith y'all are questioning? As in God does everything for a reason? Or God allows things to happen for a reason. That is what some people believe.
They also believe they must forgive.
I would have a really hard time forgiving the murder of my child, but I was taught you should forgive in all situations. It's a faith thing.

I'm not saying that is exactly how I see it or how I feel, but it is taught and believed in a lot of churches across this county.
JMO

(bbm) I don't believe it's quite so simple. I am a woman of faith--but I don't believe in "predestination" because, while I suppose there are some things, some consequences which are truly unforseeable over which we literally never had any opportunity for influence or control, I also realize we are not robots, understand we are given free will, and I recognize there are different causes of suffering.

In the case of a child suffering or perishing, some may in fact be due strictly to random acts of treachery by evildoers. Other cases of neglect, and crimes of opportunity though are due in part to our own lack of wisdom and foolishness as parents; others due to lack of empathy, selfish priorities, or reckless choices by parents. Other children still fall victim to brutality by their own parents. And sometimes it is a combination.

But it is never "God's will" that a tiny, helpless child should suffer, be raped or murdered. That is not 'faith.' It's the result of evil in a fallen world--for which reason we're given wisdom, principles and tools to live responsibly and protect our children. And in cases where these are first totally ignored and then no personal responsibility taken, I cringe to hear someone say, "Don't let God's words and don't let God's actions get you down, He did this for a reason..." It may be easier for some to believe everything in life has all been "predestinated," as this belief removes accountability and assuages any guilt. But I have tremendous faith--and it is my understanding that whereever it can be of benefit, whereever possible, we are to accept responsibility for our part, own our choices--and their consequences. While I've acknowledged that even the most devastating situations can be redeemed, I don't know of any sound teaching that advocate detaching a person's behavior and actions from the results or "fruit" in that person's life. It would actually be counter to all the faith-based teaching and counsel I've ever received. And the foremost requirement in order to bring something good from a tragedy--certainly in cases where our own poor judgment, selfish priorities or decisions have contributed--would be some admission of that on our part. Kinda hard to have a "testimony" if you've never passed a test--especially if we're lacking humility and not totally honest w ourselves or others. JMO

arrot:

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Kiki:
I understand your point and to be honest, I'm right there with you.
I was just pointing out that SOME people do believe that. Some people believe it's all written out before we are born.

 

[Oriah]

Roadside memorials aside, the crime scene tape is now down. I don't know how the family feels about looking at the site where Shaniya was found- I can understand both points of view. But a lone piece of torn and filthy crime scene tape - well- I can't see how that respects Shaniya in anyway whatsoever. So I took it down.

As for memorials- I just thought something that made people look and pay attention to their surroundings in order to prevent something like this from happening might be useful. Children are negelcted, abused, and dumped like trash all over our country. Flashing Amber alert signs are distracting to drivers too, but they work. The memorial doesn't have to be where Shaniya was found. Just somewhere, please, so that she is not forgotten.

Perhaps I will buy a billboard.

 

[SondraK]

Kiki: Just want to say that I have never heard my views expressed so succintly and completely as you have. Thank you.

We were allowed free will to learn and grow. Sometimes we really fall on our faces and sometimes we are just evil in our actions. Sometimes we do remarkable acts of kidness and compassion. For each of these we must accept responsibility.

Again, JMHO

 

[Oriah]

gplablogger-

I forgot to mention thank you for that information. I knew there was a law prohibiting roadside memorials here in NC (not that it appears to be largely enforced, since the crosses and whatnot are still everywhere) but I can respect that. What I personally want is something to raise awareness for the thousands of people (many of whom are truckers and military) who travel all around the country that there are children who are in the same situation Shaniya was, and are still ALIVE. It's possible she could have been saved.

When I learned they had narrowed her possible location down to where she was eventually found, all I could think about was- if she was possibly still alive, I could have taken out one of my dogs and found her. If she had already been murdered, I could have taken out one of my dogs (I have a cadaver dog as well) and found her. She didn't need to be there for four days. She didn't need to leave that hotel alive and be found dead. She didn't need to be in any of the situations she endured.

Maybe, just maybe- if more complete strangers (like I know all of you guys here already do) were reminded to pay attention to children in dangerous situations... we would lose fewer Shaniya's.

Sorry for the rant- I very much appreciate your links and will call around.

 

[Oriah]

Question: it is permissible to post news links here, correct?

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/12/02/956907

 

[Patty G]

Question: it is permissible to post news links here, correct?

http://www.fayobserver.com/Articles/2009/12/02/956907

Yes ...

 

[reeseeva]

Patty G., McNeil is due in court today, and Antoinette D. is in court tomorrow, Dec. 3rd. Do you know what charges McNeil faces today, as I see he is also scheduled for Dec 9th.

TIA

 

[Patty G]

Patty G., McNeil is due in court today, and Antoinette D. is in court tomorrow, Dec. 3rd. Do you know what charges McNeil faces today, as I see he is also scheduled for Dec 9th.

TIA

Today - December 2, 2009
MAM is scheduled for:
FELONY - FIRST DEGREE KIDNAPPING

December 9, 2009
Felony FIRST DEGREE RAPE CHILD
Felony FIRST DEGREE MURDER

January 10, 2010
Infraction speeding

February 5, 2010
Window tinting - 2 charges

 

[LogicalMinds]

Well said Kiki...

I personally have taken great comfort in a book by a Rabbi..(and I am not Jewish)..."When Bad Things Happen to Good People"...he wrote it after his teenage son died of cancer

Basically the idea is that we have free will...God exists (and/or Jesus) if that is what you believe...but they don't micromanage us....so we can't pray to win the lottery and have it happen...or pray to have a tumor disappear....or pray to find someone alive
they don't change things..

we can pray for strength and get it...we can pray for guidance and wisdom and the ability to make the right choice
so that we might pray to gain strength and confidence and go back to school and get a better paying job (rather than win lottery)

we might pray for strength and hope and find the courage to get a "2nd opinion" or begin a new chemotherapy session....

and so on....a similar thought in Christian teaching is "Jesus wept"..which means that there is evil out there....and Jesus feels sad to see it too....he gives us strength, hope etc...

I am always disturbed by people who say "God's will"....I don't want to worship a God whose will would involve raping and killing a little girl....that is not God's will..that is evil people....God gave us free will and to experience the joy of that there is an evil downside

Hopefully God *(or whatever you call him/her) will give us as a nation more strength to pass laws, enforce laws...set up watchdog groups...set up better national missing persons orgs ...JMO

 

[LogicalMinds]

Regarding a memorial to Shaynia...what about a play ground??

 

[Oriah]

That's a wonderful idea. I wonder if either Fayettville or Sanford would be willing to provide a designated space....

 

[passionflower]

Do we know what time MAM is to be in court???
Will there be a presser?
Will it have live shots of MAM in the courtroom?

 

[LogicalMinds]

Regarding a park...

the most logical (realistic) way is to have the city rename an existing park for Shaynia and have it "redone" with money raised for that purpose and then officially dedicated

raising the money to buy land, get permits is too hard...but I am sure they have some existing public spaces that could use an overhaul:?

They could provide nice playground equipment, nice benches for families...a couple picnic tables...landscaping and a little memorial to Shaynia

this would be a wonderful way to honor her and still help other children in her name

Just please don't let BL handle the money LOL
(and please please keep that old "good up" mother of AD out of the money pot haha)

 

[songline]

I'm trying to stay focused until we can get some new info on the real perps here, but the more I hear about BL there was just some sort of disconnect there. Geez, when asked what Shaniya liked to do and what his memories of his beautiful daughter are, all he could come up w (besides scooter scratching his car) was how when HE was watching tv, she would come behind recliner to watch him watch tv... probably hoping for some attention. I mean did he ever do anything w her? I'm sorry, but I'm really just getting the impression BL wasn't involved at all--and could care less where Shaniya was or what she was doing when she wasn't there. JMO

arrot:

I think you are right, perhaps he has no clue how to be hands on at all, how to display affection, or how to deal with children,...Perhaps his idea of being a father means being a provider, perhaps having been overseas in Iraq made him off center? I have no idea..AND while I am angry with him and his sister too....
I can tell you my father was sweet and kind and a great provider, I think if you asked him what I was wearing he would more then likely tell you "cloths" because he worked a lot and was our great provider so to speak. We did know he loved us, but we cant remember thing he did with us at all.

I AM NOT GIVING HIM OR SIS A PASS not at all...
I want to know what is lurking in his closet...much is hidden here.
I really do think that since AD was a "one night stand" as he called her and HE DID take the baby for a few years that he does have a heart somewhere...it all started out with good intentions.
I never before heard of a man taking the child of a "one night stand"...I have however heard that they
DO skate. That one act of taking SD in the first place tells me to open my mind about him. I am still vey angry with him...dont misunderstand me.

And while Nancy Grace is gross at best IMHO (the way she just oooozed affection, attention on him),
she is not pouncing on him :waitasec: Either she lost her bulldozer? or she knows something. JMHO

 

[songline]

gplablogger-

I forgot to mention thank you for that information. I knew there was a law prohibiting roadside memorials here in NC (not that it appears to be largely enforced, since the crosses and whatnot are still everywhere) but I can respect that. What I personally want is something to raise awareness for the thousands of people (many of whom are truckers and military) who travel all around the country that there are children who are in the same situation Shaniya was, and are still ALIVE. It's possible she could have been saved.

When I learned they had narrowed her possible location down to where she was eventually found, all I could think about was- if she was possibly still alive, I could have taken out one of my dogs and found her. If she had already been murdered, I could have taken out one of my dogs (I have a cadaver dog as well) and found her. She didn't need to be there for four days. She didn't need to leave that hotel alive and be found dead. She didn't need to be in any of the situations she endured.

Maybe, just maybe- if more complete strangers (like I know all of you guys here already do) were reminded to pay attention to children in dangerous situations... we would lose fewer Shaniya's.

Sorry for the rant- I very much appreciate your links and will call around.

That was not a rant IMHO it was a heart felt...MAYBE I Could have done something? We all 20/20 hindsight....
NICE POST.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

For some reason, I'm unable to connect to the observers website. Anybody else having trouble with it?
I checked wral's and no new news on the site about Shaniya or MAM's court appearance.
I thought for sure something would be reported by now.
I guess I'll keep trying the fayobserver. I know there is a story in the link provided above, just wont load.

 

[songline]

Except, why don't they feel some sort of attachment to the place and check and see. Why is it strangers that even have to look after what was Shaniya's grave site?

from a fellow New Yorker....(Manhattan)
I personally think that I could not go to that spot if I was a relative...That is just me...I would not be able to do it no way...But I am very grateful to God that I will never know that.

 

[mysticrose]

For some reason, I'm unable to connect to the observers website. Anybody else having trouble with it?
I checked wral's and no new news on the site about Shaniya or MAM's court appearance.
I thought for sure something would be reported by now.
I guess I'll keep trying the fayobserver. I know there is a story in the link provided above, just wont load.

HI Kim I am having the same problem...maybe we are all hitting it at the same time...lol