Found Deceased NC - Stephanie Mayorga, 27, & Paige Escalera, 25, Wilmington, 15 Apr 2020

[carbuff]

@Coffiecat That's a great story. Thanks for the insights into the crazy things that can happen in an accident.

 

[Backstroke10]

Event Data Recorders have been used primarily in race cars since the mid 90's. In the early 2000's the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration started pushing for EDR's to be installed in all cars. and by 2014, it was mandatory.

Very interesting. Thanks Rocky1!

 

[Backstroke10]

In one of the articles in stated the 911 caller stayed on scene while the police were searching. Knowing what they saw and the police finding no signs of the car that night, I can't believe the caller didn't go back in daylight either. Maybe I'm just too nosey, but I would have gone back, the alternative would be me driving myself crazy thinking I'm inagining things.

If I recall correctly, he is a truck driver and probably had a load to pickup or deliver. Most truck drivers are on a tight schedule. He wouldn’t have had time to stick around the next day. IMO
He was extremely concerned, repeatedly told 911 that he did in fact see this horrible accident and even stated the color of the car. I think it’s absolutely horrible that the entire area wasn’t searched the next day. IMO Add to that, it’s all over the news that these two girls are missing and it takes weeks to find them. SMH

 

[carbuff]

If I recall correctly, he is a truck driver and probably had a load to pickup or deliver. Most truck drivers are on a tight schedule. He wouldn’t have had time to stick around the next day. IMO
He was extremely concerned, repeatedly told 911 that he did in fact see this horrible accident and even stated the color of the car. I think it’s absolutely horrible that the entire area wasn’t searched the next day. IMO Add to that, it’s all over the news that these two girls are missing and it takes weeks to find them. SMH

I wouldn't have expected the guy who reported it to come back. It was LE I would have expected to check again in the morning. But I suppose they probably had a lot of other stuff going on and it just dropped through the cracks.

 

[Backstroke10]

I wouldn't have expected the guy who reported it to come back. It was LE I would have expected to check again in the morning. But I suppose they probably had a lot of other stuff going on and it just dropped through the cracks.

Yes, I agree. I was responding to someone else who stated that they were surprised the truck driver/911 caller didn’t go back to the scene the next day.

 

[Lusitana]

I don't understand why people keep saying stuff about the person who called 911? That person didn't even have to wait for them to arrive but he did. We keep assuming that he was from the area, he might have been just passing by. It doesn't matter though, it wasn't his responsability. It's very unfortunate that they were found that night, it's nobody's fault though. We don't know how hidden the car was, we don't know how dark it was, we don't know why they didn't come back in the morning. What I know is that the 911 caller is not at fault. If anything else, it would probably take even way longer to find them if he didn't call.

 

[Backstroke10]

I don't understand why people keep saying stuff about the person who called 911? That person didn't even have to wait for them to arrive but he did. We keep assuming that he was from the area, he might have been just passing by. It doesn't matter though, it wasn't his responsability. It's very unfortunate that they were found that night, it's nobody's fault though. We don't know how hidden the car was, we don't know how dark it was, we don't know why they didn't come back in the morning. What I know is that the 911 caller is not at fault. If anything else, it would probably take even way longer to find them if he didn't call.

I don’t think anyone is saying it’s his fault. Not sure where your getting that from.

 

[carbuff]

Yes, I agree. I was responding to someone else who stated that they were surprised the truck driver/911 caller didn’t go back to the scene the next day.

And they were responding to my unclear statement that "they" didn't come back--I meant the police and I just wanted to make sure that was clear.

I think we're all good on and all on the same page.

 

[lonetraveler]

Memorial for missing women at River Road crash site apparently vandalized

 

[Backstroke10]

And they were responding to my unclear statement that "they" didn't come back--I meant the police and I just wanted to make sure that was clear.

I think we're all good on and all on the same page.

Lol yes I think we’re all good too. Nobody blames the caller/driver. He was wonderful. IMO

 

[sloothseeker]

Mean folks in the world folks - Memorial Vandalized
Memorial for missing women at River Road crash site apparently vandalized
Who destroyed the memorial for the 'Missing Women'? - WWAY TV

 

[Backstroke10]

Memorial for missing women at River Road crash site apparently vandalized

That’s horrible and really angers me. Who would destroy a cross, vandalize the area and toss items away like trash.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

IMO LE should have returned for a very thorough look in the morning. LE should be held to high standards, but if they make a human error, it's forgivable, but own it. Don't try to make it sound like the car was hidden deep in the woods somewhere, as I imagined based on news articles, until I read this thread today.

I am sorry for their families' loss.

 

[CaptainGumShoe456]

something is rotten in denmark about this case

 

[Coffiecat]

There are 17 states that restrict the usage of data collected from a EDC. With the exception of NH, (and Delaware for restricting insurance companies from installing one) every one of them allow Data to be downloaded without a warrant for the purpose of "Vehicle Safety Research," if there's a fatality, which was the purpose of installing them to begin with.
When a fatality is the result of an accident, the accident is reconstructed, the data is downloaded and sent to the NHTSA. It's reviewed, and say for example 200 accidents involving a certain vehicle did not deploy the side airbag....a recall will be issued.
The usage of that Data in a courtroom is an entire different subject.

Privacy of Data from Event Data Recorders: State Statutes

The 17 listed in the unofficial synopsis linked, have added protections, beyond the 2015 Federal act. A couple seemed to be missing the legally ambiguous "Vehicle Safety Research", and none contained any definition of who or what agencies were covered in the exception.

My point is simply, that the technology is relatively new, and that between the ACLU, 4th Amendment, and numerous State level challenges having created a very fluid situation, makes the blanket statement "...if it's a fatality, LE can plug into the Data Link, (without a warrant)..." potentially misleading, especially without identification of decedent, vehicle operators, etc.

They've sure come a long ways since a driver (not me, of course...) could unhook the Tachograph, tweak the rack stop on their 6v92, and make some miles/money.

 

[Lusitana]

I don’t think anyone is saying it’s his fault. Not sure where your getting that from.

From the "I can't believe he didn't go back there" comments...

 

[castilloisno1]

Memorial for missing women at River Road crash site apparently vandalized

GGGGGGRRRRRRRRRR!

 

[CaptainGumShoe456]

could the vandalism be an indication that there may be foul play involved?

 

[kshultz06082]

This article has a good bit of information I hadn’t seen before.

'We’re really hoping this has a happy ending’: Wilmington police give update on 'suspicious’ disappearance of two women

Investigators managed to track down surveillance video from a neighbor that showed the pair leave the apartment, get into a grey 2013 Dodge Dart, and head north on South Kerr Avenue.

Surveillance video of Stephanie Mayorga (left) and Paige Escalera (right) as they were leaving their apartment on April 15. (Source: Wilmington Police Department)

“They were in the process of getting a new apartment, they were engaged. They were trying to finish up education. Things were looking good,” said Dana Jarman.

Many raised questions about the timeline of the case during Wednesday’s press conference. The couple was last seen two weeks before the press briefing. Police explained that they received new information this week that made the situation more serious. While they couldn’t share what that information was, they also admitted work restrictions from COVID-19 may have also played a role in the case’s slow start.

He urged everyone in the Wilmington metropolitan area, especially those in Brunswick County, to be on the lookout for the Dodge Dart. He added that Escalera previously worked in Spartanburg, S.C. and has connections to that area.

Investigators say the Dodge Dart has S.C. tags MVS-902 and has a dent on the bumper on the driver-side rear of the vehicle. The vehicle also has two stickers at the bottom corners of the back glass.

I am just starting this thread and have 20+ pages to go, so this may already be answered, but do we know who the dude is that's walking out behind them in the picture?

 

[Margrock]

I am just starting this thread and have 20+ pages to go, so this may already be answered, but do we know who the dude is that's walking out behind them in the picture?

That's actually PE following SM out the door.