Found Deceased NC - Stephanie Mayorga, 27, & Paige Escalera, 25, Wilmington, 15 Apr 2020

[CaptainGumShoe456]

is the third person the roomate?

 

[sloothseeker]

is the third person the roomate?

look at the pic again. it's split in to two pics. one coming out closing the door and one of the other girl coming out. the shadows make it look like a dude but only 2 people....

 

[CaptainGumShoe456]

oh i see it now, its just 2 people

 

[carbuff]

From the "I can't believe he didn't go back there" comments...

In case you missed it, we got that straightened out--we were all talking about LE not going back in the morning. The guy who reported it is good.

 

[UnapologeticallyAspie]

could the vandalism be an indication that there may be foul play involved?

MOO. I think it indicates a hate crime. Well not a crime. But definitely some kind of prejudice going on, unfortunately. IMHO.

 

[CaptainGumShoe456]

so all the cars lights just went out on impact? is this possible?

 

[Rocky1]

The 17 listed in the unofficial synopsis linked, have added protections, beyond the 2015 Federal act. A couple seemed to be missing the legally ambiguous "Vehicle Safety Research", and none contained any definition of who or what agencies were covered in the exception.

My point is simply, that the technology is relatively new, and that between the ACLU, 4th Amendment, and numerous State level challenges having created a very fluid situation, makes the blanket statement "...if it's a fatality, LE can plug into the Data Link, (without a warrant)..." potentially misleading, especially without identification of decedent, vehicle operators, etc.

They've sure come a long ways since a driver (not me, of course...) could unhook the Tachograph, tweak the rack stop on their 6v92, and make some miles/money.

I listed the two states that were missing "Vehicle Safety Research." Delaware was one and NH was the other.

The "unofficial synopsis link" does not list the "added protections." It lists "exceptions." The Driver Privacy Act of 2015, does the same.
S.766 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): Driver Privacy Act of 2015

Although the link I posted is "unofficial, "If you search the individual states, you'll find the statute matches verbatim.

The definition of "Vehicle Safety Research" is explained here.
Vehicle Safety Research

The "blanket statement" about LE plugging into a data link after a fatality without indentification of decedent, or vehicle operator shouldn't be misleading when it involves a fatality. The person assigned to reconstruct the accident isn't concerned with someone's name. They are concerned with collecting the data to help determine what caused the accident (like excessive speed which was the topic of my original post while responding to the question as to how anyone would know how fast a car was going before it crashed)

You're right, things have changed with technology.

Off topic...... for conversation sake only... Tweaking the rack will only make the 92 (or any 53, 71, or 92) series run the way it should run normally, by synchronizing the injectors to inject the same amount of fuel to each cylinder. If tweaking the rack makes the engine run better, it's only because the rack setting was not set properly in the first place.
If you wanted to make one run faster, you'd change the injector number and letter, along with the restricted fitting on the return line. (or snap a pair of vise grips on it) there by restricting the fuel flow more . If you wanted them to perform even better, you'd increase the speed of the blower while changing out the injectors.
Winding the spring inside of the tachograph until it broke worked too as far as rendering it useless.

 

[k-mac]

Such a sad story. With what we know already, I too believe that it may have been intentional. I believe Paige may have wanted to call off the whole relationship and Stephanie went off the rails, and decided she was taking herself and Paige both out. But regardless, it was 2 beautiful, intelligent women gone way to soon. My prayers to both the families and friends,

so lets unpack that thought.
you favour murder suicide.its not an unreasonable idea.

but heres the thing that bugs me.

would the sentence read, regardless 2 beautiful intelligent souls gone way too soon if the scenario was husband kills wife in murder suicide???

no......it wouldn't .
and rightly not.

moo

 

[dalsglen]

I was in NO WAY blaming the 911 caller, merely pointing out that my absolute certainty of what I had witnessed would make me go back there. This guy is no doubt going to live his life wondering what if. LE should absolutely be held accountable.

 

[sloothseeker]

so all the cars lights just went out on impact? is this possible?

My guess -either the brush and woods hid the lights or the car landing after being airborne 120 ft jolted the battery loose. The landing point in the muck/marsh looked hard

 

[Lusitana]

In case you missed it, we got that straightened out--we were all talking about LE not going back in the morning. The guy who reported it is good.

Okay, thanks.

 

[Rocky1]

so all the cars lights just went out on impact? is this possible?

After looking at the last picture previously posted, I'd say yes, for a few reasons.
1. The battery on that car is located at the very front of the vehicle on the left side (drivers side). I would think that would have been shattered and would have not functioned after impact. It's probably in the pile of debris someplace.
2. The impact would have shattered the headlights.
3. The nose of the car is separated from the car. The battery is mounted in a tray that is part of the nose. One cable from the battery is connected to the starter which is mounted to the engine. Even if the battery wasn't damaged (which I doubt) the cable would have severed between the battery and the starter, and without the engine running, there would have been no power to the lights. Not even the tail lights.
4. The same holds true for the wiring from the light switch. there would have been a disconnect between the headlight switch, and the headlights.
IMO, I think it's fair to say after the car hit the tree, all lights went out.

 

[NervousNellie]

so lets unpack that thought.
you favour murder suicide.its not an unreasonable idea.

but heres the thing that bugs me.

would the sentence read, regardless 2 beautiful intelligent souls gone way too soon if the scenario was husband kills wife in murder suicide???

no......it wouldn't .
and rightly not.

moo

RBBM
So, let's unpack your example of a husband killing his wife - is it a known fact, or merely random speculation?

If known fact, sure it would be reported as such.
If speculation, no it would not be reported as such.
JMO

 

[k-mac]

RBBM
So, let's unpack your example of a husband killing his wife - is it a known fact, or merely random speculation?

If known fact, sure it would be reported as such.
If speculation, no it would not be reported as such.
JMO

my post and the post it replied to was clearly speculative for your clarification.

MOO

 

[Backstroke10]

MOO. I think it indicates a hate crime. Well not a crime. But definitely some kind of prejudice going on, unfortunately. IMHO.

I agree. I seriously doubt the memorial would have been destroyed if the two people that died were a parent/child, husband/wife, boyfriend/girlfriend, friends, sisters etc... MOO
I also wonder about the sense of urgency among LE in finding these two lovely young women. MOO

 

[sloothseeker]

I agree. I seriously doubt the memorial would have been destroyed if the two people that died were a parent/child, husband/wife, boyfriend/girlfriend, friends, sisters etc... MOO
I also wonder about the sense of urgency among LE in finding these two lovely young women. MOO

Watch one of the first Wilmington PD pressers, paraphasing here - 20 somethings are spontaneous. My take away was he thought they had just gone somewhere to wait out the quarantine.

 

[asmi106082]

Regarding the whole car computer thing, I don’t think it’s all that need of a technology.
Mechanics can plug into a cars computer and diagnose issues.
I have that thing with my insurance that I plug into my computer and it tracks all my hard breaking events, times of day I drive, speeds, etc.

JME

 

[evilwise]

Law Enforcement would have had no idea who was involved in the reported accident when they initially failed to fully investigate it. I don't think there's discrimination here, just dereliction of duty across the board.

 

[Backstroke10]

Law Enforcement would have had no idea who was involved in the reported accident when they initially failed to fully investigate it. I don't think there's discrimination here, just dereliction of duty across the board.

BBM I agree. They didn’t know because they didn’t investigate the accident. The 911 caller identified the color of the car. They should have cross checked that with the missing women’s car. Let’s say it was a husband/wife or parent/child that disappeared after leaving in their car. I think they would have paid more attention to the car and therefore put two and two together. MOO

 

[evilwise]

They should have more thoroughly investigated an accident report period. From the photos posted earlier I think it would have been pretty apparent in the light of day that something had happened there. I can't believe the officers that investigated that night didn't even take a second look the next day - or the next twenty days.