NC - Two Duke Lacrosse Players Indicted

[Marthatex]

Were the three charged with a crime on athletic scholarships??

Most probably they were. Duke really picks and chooses their athletes; it is a very competitive place, your grades have to be very high, and I would imagine most students would need some kind of scholarship to go there.

The athletic scholarships are the best, though; just like just about any other school. My son had a very good friend go to school on a football scholarship to Duke.

Isn't the LaCrosse team pretty talented and well known? I'm not sure; I don't follow it.

I thought the whole case was disgusting. My son did not join a fraternity here; and I was glad he didn't. They mostly party and booze it; I don't know how any of them pass their classes.

Of course here athletes get tutors also; free of charge.

My daughter played soccer in college, but she didn't have a scholarship. She still had pressure though, and had to travel around the country while making good grades as well.

 

[Marthatex]

And can you imagine what would have happened had the accuser been white and the supposed-attackers been black? We'd have never heard the end of it from Jesse Jackson and Sharpton. Does anyone think these two will come forward and say anything about the false accusations? No, they won't.

And in the mean time, these boys lives have practically been ruined.

She should be charged and that's that. But it won't happen.

I'm shocked that she wasn't charged, really. Didn't she lie and misrepresent the truth all along? I really haven't followed the case that closely.

Was there some kind of bargain reached? It seems odd that she would just be "let go"; after all she was an "adult stripper?" or worse? Is that legal in N. Carolina? I guess I led a sheltered life, I don't know about that stuff - he he.

 

[Marthatex]

They would have been having a field day with this. But you'll never see those two come out and admit that this gal screwed up. Bill Cosby might come forward, but not Jackson and Sharpton.

And I really do believe that had the accuser been white, she'd be in jail...at this point.

It's really criminal what Nifong did...he used all parties for his own political gain. He's the one who really should be behind bars.

I agree with you on this post. I think Nifong was the worst of all.

It seems like O'Reilly was right - didn't he believe the outcome would be this way all along?

I'm glad that he's facing ethics charges.

 

[luvbeaches]

Bill Cosby has no business making any comments about a rape case considering his own legal problems.

The fact that he has the guts to tell some black people to get their chit together is something that I admire in him (too bad Sharpton and Jackson can't do the same instead of rolling in the poor-pitiful-me pit). And this woman needs a smack upside her head at the very least, but she really should be charged with making a false police report.

And if the tables had been turned, and this was a white woman who falsely accused black men, the fur would be flying.

 

[luvbeaches]

I agree with you on this post. I think Nifong was the worst of all.

It seems like O'Reilly was right - didn't he believe the outcome would be this way all along?

I'm glad that he's facing ethics charges.

Nifong is the worst of all. Really, not only should he lose his license, he should do time. Plus, I don't know what can be done to help set things right with those kids, but something needs to be done.

I do think O'Reilly said this from the get-go.

 

[nanandjim]

The fact that he has the guts to tell some black people to get their chit together is something that I admire in him (too bad Sharpton and Jackson can't do the same instead of rolling in the poor-pitiful-me pit). And this woman needs a smack upside her head at the very least, but she really should be charged with making a false police report.

And if the tables had been turned, and this was a white woman who falsely accused black men, the fur would be flying.

The difference between Cosby and Jackson/Sharpton/NAACP organization is that Cosby doesn't make a living keeping the black people down. The others do. Where would the others be if there was no race problems and if blacks suddenly became educated and successful? It's about money for the others.

That being said, I am very disappointed to read about Cosby and his apparent penchant for drugging and fooling around with young women. There are too many that have accused him of inappropriate (and criminal) behavior for it to be not true.

 

[luvbeaches]

The difference between Cosby and Jackson/Sharpton/NAACP organization is that Cosby doesn't make a living keeping the black people down. The others do. Where would the others be if there was no race problems and if blacks suddenly became educated and successful? It's about money for the others.

That being said, I am very disappointed to read about Cosby and his apparent penchant for drugging and fooling around with young women. There are too many that have accused him of inappropriate (and criminal) behavior for it to be not true.

You know, I really didn't know about Cosby's problems. I did a google search and a lot popped up.

I completely agree with you on the Jackson/Sharpton/NAACP comment. Something has got to give.

 

[angelmom]

It is against the NCAA rules for scholarship athletes to engage in this type of behavior. If kids are going to get admitted to elite colleges based on their promise to obey those rules, they should keep the bargain. If it is discovered that they didn't keep their end of the deal, they should be punished.

I didn't say it had anything to do with the rape accusation, except that the rules for NCAA athletes are intended to avoid the type of behavior they DID engage in. Had they not thumbed their noses at their NCAA contracts, they wouldn't have been in the line of fire.

I feel that the whole college athletic scholarship program is a bunch of bull anyway.

If they start punishing these guys for this behavior, then they had best be prepared to dish it out evenly and start with the football programs.

And you DID say it had to do with the rape allegations.

Let's not forget that these "men" who were NCAA elite athletes got into this mess because they threw a huge drinking party, complete with strippers and peeing in the yard, during the athletic season.

Had they been following the University and NCAA rules, they wouldn't have gotten in trouble.

Yes, the charges were improper and Nifong blew it. But these kids were out of line, too. They should not have faced criminal prosecution, but the sanctions from the school for the party itself were appropriate.

They "got into this mess" because a woman made a false allegation against them and the police and district atty. withheld exculpatory evidence, lied to the media, and refused to admit they were wrong about what is now being called "no evidence of an attack." One of the men wasn't even there at the time of the "attack" and had proof. This wasn't because of acting like a huge number of college kids act every day (yes, including scholarship athletes). This was because of money, race, and politics. Not necessarily in that order.

 

[T-Rex]

I hear your point. But remember the Central Park jogger? Huge, flashpoint case. The victim didn't remember anything. But the "wolfpack" of black youth, out for a night of "wilding," were convicted and served time. About 8 years, as I remember. As it turns out? They didn't do it.

 

[luvbeaches]

I'm shocked that she wasn't charged, really. Didn't she lie and misrepresent the truth all along? I really haven't followed the case that closely.

Was there some kind of bargain reached? It seems odd that she would just be "let go"; after all she was an "adult stripper?" or worse? Is that legal in N. Carolina? I guess I led a sheltered life, I don't know about that stuff - he he.

I don't think she's been charged.

I think Nifong is the big problem. Plenty of people make false accusations, but it's up to the DA whether or not the accusations have facts and evidence to back them up. For all we know, this woman could be a total fruitcake (but I do think this should be looked at), but Nifong used her (and those boys) for his vehicle to get him re-elected. He should be strung up. At the very least, he should lose his license and he should be charged with something...I'm not sure what, but his intentions were malicious. I don;t know how the man sleeps at night.

I don't know if stripping is legal or not in N. Carolina...and like you, I led a sheltered life...thank God.

I remember sitting in 9th grade health class and finally hearing what sex was all about. I really thought there had to be another explanation for how I came to be...lol

 

[Marthatex]

I don't think she's been charged.

I think Nifong is the big problem. Plenty of people make false accusations, but it's up to the DA whether or not the accusations have facts and evidence to back them up. For all we know, this woman could be a total fruitcake (but I do think this should be looked at), but Nifong used her (and those boys) for his vehicle to get him re-elected. He should be strung up. At the very least, he should lose his license and he should be charged with something...I'm not sure what, but his intentions were malicious. I don;t know how the man sleeps at night.

I don't know if stripping is legal or not in N. Carolina...and like you, I led a sheltered life...thank God. ]]

Yes, I wish I could just go back and live in the '50's too. (in many ways)
My husband seems to think it's still up in the air whether she'll be charged.

Mtex

 

[luvbeaches]

Yes, I wish I could just go back and live in the '50's too. (in many ways)
My husband seems to think it's still up in the air whether she'll be charged.

Mtex

I suppose each generation thinks the same thing (about going back)...I know I do. My childhood was pretty carefree. It was much like those County Time Lemonade commercials. So the 50's or 60's would work for me.

I personally think if they can prove she lied, and knew what she was doing, she should be charged. But I think Nifong so botched this that that may not be possible.

 

[Floh]

Meet Crystal Gail Mangum

Smoking Gun report:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0411071duke1.html

 

[reportertype]

Don't forget about the accusation that ambulance drivers didn't stop to help an injured black man that, I think, got some people killed.

He's a disgrace also and has been made a figurehead by spineless white people who are so afraid of being labeled by a black man as a racist that they just caved and let it happen. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Being right isn't beholden to any skin color.

Cal

And the "Burn the Jew store" stuff.

 

[angelmom]

I hear your point. But remember the Central Park jogger? Huge, flashpoint case. The victim didn't remember anything. But the "wolfpack" of black youth, out for a night of "wilding," were convicted and served time. About 8 years, as I remember. As it turns out? They didn't do it.

Yes, but the mea culpas after that were sincere. And no one made up a story and went to the police saying, "those boys right there raped me." In this case, there wasn't even an actual rape! In that case, the attack was so brutal that the victim didn't know what happened, and they convicted the wrong people. It happens, sadly, in our justice system, despite all of the checks put in to protect the rights of the accused (which often drive us crazy).

The Duke case was a house of cards built of lie upon lie upon lie. And while there are a lot of fingers being pointed, I haven't heard any of the original people who screamed "RAPIST" even whispering "I'm sorry." Where is Nifong? Where are the police? Where is the accuser? Her friend who backed up her story? Where are the Duke professors who took out the ad in the school paper and, by God, where is the school paper? I would like to see what they are saying. They should all flunk out of j-school IMHO!!!

 

[IdahoMom]

Jesse Jackson said that his PUSH organization was going to send the accuser to college no matter the outcome of this case. Someone needs to ask Jesse if that's still true.

Let the lawsuits begin!

 

[cynpat2000]

And can you imagine what would have happened had the accuser been white and the supposed-attackers been black? We'd have never heard the end of it from Jesse Jackson and Sharpton. Does anyone think these two will come forward and say anything about the false accusations? No, they won't.

And in the mean time, these boys lives have practically been ruined.

She should be charged and that's that. But it won't happen.

I couldnt agree with you more. Look at all the outrage against Imus, it was a bad thing for him to say but those girls lives were not ruined.and he apologized profusely, this liar accuser hasnt even attempted to do that. These boys will always be looked at as being the center of a potential rape case.
all because of some psychopathic stripper who needs to go to jail. But of course she walks free. :sick: :sick:
False accusations of a serious crime like rape should not be overlooked. I am utterly ashamed to say I live in North Carolina when nothing will happen to that liar.

 

[reportertype]

And not only did she make life hell for those guys, what has she done to the next woman who really is raped who wants to press charges? Will people believe her? Will HER life be hell because no one does? Will she even bother to report it?

I personally would like to see the woman in the Duke case face charges. For the guys she maligned and for the all the harm she's doubtlessly done to other women as well.

 

[Dark Knight]

Several news outlets are reporting that Nifong issued an apology to the 3 players. That surprised me. Good for him, though, as that's a start, anyways.

 

[angelmom]

Well, I guess it's better than no apology at all. :snooty:

http://www.comcast.net/sports/index.jsp?cat=SPORTS&fn=/2007/04/12/634870.html&cvqh=itn_duke

DURHAM, N.C. - The local prosecutor who charged three Duke lacrosse players with raping a stripper apologized to the athletes Thursday, a day after North Carolina's attorney general dropped the entire case.

"To the extent that I made judgments that ultimately proved to be incorrect, I apologize to the three students that were wrongly accused," Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong said in a statement.

<snip>

"It is my sincere desire that the actions of Attorney General Cooper will serve to remedy any remaining injury that has resulted from these cases."

Nifong refused to answer any questions after handing the statement to an Associated Press reporter outside his office in Durham.

Seligmann's attorney, Jim Cooney, responded bitterly to the apology.

"You can accept an apology from someone who knows all the facts and simply makes an error," Cooney said. "If a person refuses to know all the facts and then makes a judgment, that's far worse _ particularly when that judgment destroys lives."